Terrorist Attack In France: ISIS Claims Responsibility, Hostage Takers Execute 89. At Least 129 Dead.

There have been bombings in Beirut and senseless violence in the Middle East by repressive governments and extremist groups, and the victims are usually Muslims of any sect. To say that Muslims are the main cause of terrorism or even support terrorism is, without a doubt, outright idiotic and ignorant.

However, the perpetrators committing these atrocities do represent the worst form of Islam by following an extreme path by using extreme measures. We are all on the same side but denying their motivations is ignoring who they are and why they join.

Being in your position has to suck. Anger is being blanketed over you because of your region. You probably have even more reason to be angry than most people because they're trying to take you back into the stone age, these pieces of shit. Just know, i'm a conservative. I'm with you in feeling angry and betrayed by these people. This isn't a religion problem, this is a good vs evil situation at this point.

We will strike them down no doubt.

I agree. Indiscriminate bombing is the only answer. Bring on another quagmire!!!

No bombings are needed. All Obama needs to do is go on another apology tour because I'm positive it will resonate with these people, right?

In an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC's Good Morning America that was broadcasted Friday, President Obama said ISIS has been "contained."

Muslim refugees aren't all terrorists. Nor is bringing in refugees the cause of this problem (they possibly had French passports, meaning they were already citizens of the country, meaning they would not have been part of the wave of refugees leaving the area a few months ago).

We can't blame them for the actions of an extremist group.

However, Western Muslims and refugees alike need to stand up and speak out against these actions rather than sit back in relative apathy about it. They surprisingly did after Charlie Hebdo from what I remember, so let's hope they do the same this time.

The worst thing we can do as human beings is give up on compassion in the wake of an attack like this. Even during World War II, amidst some of the bloodiest battles humans have ever participated in (don't start about "it's not the same, Hitler hurr durr"), people still were able to practice compassion and protect the innocent. They were not wholly consumed by hatred, blood lust and rage.

The whole power that a group like ISIL has comes from us portraying their people as "the enemy". They recruit new followers and new terrorist attackers by pointing at social media and saying "Look! They hate us and want us all to die! We must turn it back on them and destroy the West!". If you treat all with a broad brush and reject the whole lot, it would give rise to even more powerful groups of extremists and even bigger coordinated attacks on even more innocent people.

If, however, we practice togetherness, solidarity and acceptance of those who are different, groups like ISIL and Al Qaeda would lose all their power over their potential recruits. Welcoming refugees with open arms, and providing safe, clean housing and food and giving them the opportunity to make a new life for themselves, would by far be the better course of action. And really, since when has a Western country not accepted refugees from war-torn nations in history?

I've met plenty of people throughout my life, who immigrated to Canada to escape their home country and corruption, war or both and start a new life for themselves. People from Africa, the Middle East, South Asia and the Balkan states. All of whom are respectful individuals who contribute to society and took the time to not only engage me in conversation, but let me know about why they chose to leave their HOMES, where they were born and grew up, and forced to leave not only property, but family behind.

These instances of refugees should instill feelings of empathy and compassion for their plight, not xenophobia, disgust or otherwise.

I'm getting sick and tired of people making mother fucking assumptions about entire groups of people based on the actions of a relative few, quite insane, extremists who base their entire existence on the sentiment we send their way.

Stop it.

If ISIS has been contained, it has been due to the efforts of:

1. the Syrian Arab Army (SAA), supported by Russia, Iran and Hezbollah and
2. Kurdish Peshmerga forces.

Obama will probably continue trying to use non-Peshmerga Kurds to capture and occupy territory in northern Syria, but he risks incurring the wrath of Turkey if he does so, because Turkey regards those Kurds as a threat to its territorial integrity.

It may be that, in the wake of these developments and the ISIS-linked terrorism in Paris, Obama has decided that it's simply not worth it to sustain covert US support for ISIS any longer. Obama will probably continue trying to use non-Peshmerga Kurds to capture and occupy territory in northern Syria, but he risks incurring the wrath of Turkey if he does so, because Turkey regards those Kurds as a threat to its territorial integrity.

ISIS are bringing doom upon themselves. They will get destroyed very badly today or tommorow by world superpowers :)

If this isn't an act of War, I can't think of anything that isn't. Death toll is now is 129 at least.

http://qz.com/550104/muslims-around-the-world-condemn-terrorism-after-the-paris-attacks/

Saw this earlier. Very glad to see it.

Exactly what I've wanted to see since these extremists starting attacking innocent people in the name of Islam.

http://qz.com/550104/muslims-around-the-world-condemn-terrorism-after-the-paris-attacks/

Which country is declaring war on France exactly?

An act of war would imply that there is some country with a bone to pick with France and wants to engage them in coordinated battles for territory/resources. This is a terrorist group attempting to sew fear and discord amongst innocent people and gain more support for their ideological campaign. There is no war to be had here.

Shhh. Don't prove the narrative wrong

This thread is now about Muslims all being evil, this somehow being the fault of Liberals and political correctness (despite France being VERY conservative WRT Islam), and stealth victim blaming

@n64dd: 100% agreed. President Obama knows this that's why he refuses to give ISIS legitimacy by referring to them as "Islamic".

I urge everyone to read this article: http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/03/mehdi-hasan-how-islamic-islamic-state

@n64dd: 100% agreed. President Obama knows this that's why he refuses to give ISIS legitimacy by referring to them as "Islamic".

Obama is a true master of strategy.

Shhh. Don't prove the narrative wrong

This thread is now about Muslims all being evil, this somehow being the fault of Liberals and political correctness (despite France being VERY conservative WRT Islam), and stealth victim blaming

The whole power that a group like ISIL has comes from us portraying their people as "the enemy". They recruit new followers and new terrorist attackers by pointing at social media and saying "Look! They hate us and want us all to die! We must turn it back on them and destroy the West!"

So some comedians facebook account got taken away for going off on the terrorists. People are apparently bitching that it was Islamaphobic...

You know what, this type of shit is so retarded and I am so DONE hearing these people bitch and whine about this sort of thing. You know what? Islam IS enabling these psychopaths and I really don't care about hurting Muslim feelings at this point. You have scriptures in YOUR religious text that at the very least call for treating women like second class citizens and at WORST condone the behavior of terrorists like these.

We keep having these terror attacks happen and everytime someone calls out Islam, I just see a flood of bitching that they don't represent Islam, but then nothing more. I don't see any movement to improve Islam and at the least make the Islamic community look better. Just whining whenever people have something negative to say about the religion.

It is on the entire Islamic community to FIX THIS! We don't have these extremists coming from just the impoverished and war-torn Middle Eastern countries anymore. They are popping up from all sorts of countries and the common thread is Islamic belief.

You want people to respect your religion? Show you give a shit and lets start working towards modernizing your beliefs the way EVERY OTHER MAJOR RELIGION HAS DONE! There are extremely fucked up scriptures in the Bible but you almost NEVER see those scriptures even acknowledged because guess what, people realize how fucked up and wrong they are. Yes it isn't perfect (there is still the major issue of the Christian community constantly fighting against gay rights here in the US) but it is sure WAY better than what we have going on with Islam right now.

I will respect Islam when it shows to me it deserves respect simple as that. I don't give a damn if you believe in a God I don't, but when there is this constant MO of Islam oppressing people and driving people to murder innocent people you can bet I have a fucking problem.

Obama looks like an idiot right now after the "ISIS is contained" statements right before this happened. I hope he turns a leaf and gets involved in an aggressive manner with the rest of the world.

@n64dd:

You do remember how that turned out last time right?

Are you ready to pay another 4000 of America's sons and daughters and 6 trillion from the wages of our children?

It was by war that we created ISIS, it is by war that we will destroy ISIS, and it is by war that the next conservative fanatical organization will take up arms against us in their place. In order to stop terrorism the West has to confront its sins in dealing with the Middle East, invigorate moderate Islam, and deescalate our political and economic interest in that region.

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They weren't created just because we left.

They were created because we left TOO EARLY and announced when we would be leaving, which is beyond retarded.

You do realize Bush Jr. set the pull out date right? Furthermore how long would you have us there? A decade? Two decades? The country was tearing it self apart.. Because we took out of power the one person that was holding it together with a ironfist.. A person that the US openly supported during the 80s I might add.

The world isn't one big liberal arts campus, innocent people are going to die. Welcome to war.

Hilarious you state such things yet you clearly haven't read Sun Tzu in basic military doctrine..There is a long history of illustrating that occupations utterly fail from numerous countries.. In which we got involved as a first response of a absolutely MEANINGLESS war with Iraq that did more damage to our selves than Saddam could have ever done to the US.. Furthermore the recent leaked report had that drones were killing upwards to 90% of NON TARGETS.... That is only creating more extremists rather than actually solving the problem.. So you would rather have us spend even trillions of dollars more money, and have even more causalities in guerrilla war? How'd that work out in Afghanistan? Opps thats right the Taliban still there and is stronger than ever..

Which country is declaring war on France exactly?

An act of war would imply that there is some country with a bone to pick with France and wants to engage them in coordinated battles for territory/resources. This is a terrorist group attempting to sew fear and discord amongst innocent people and gain more support for their ideological campaign. There is no war to be had here.

Any dipstick with a computer can post some stupid crap like this. Think for yourself, if you can.

Taking out Saddam was good. The country was not stable under an "iron fist". I was in Desert Storm. You're making shit up.

............... Let me point out what utter bullshit this is.. Saddam was a piece of crap, but we also support pieces of crap around the world including Saudi Arabia.. Which is currently arming and supporting Sunni extremists to fight ISIS.. Furthermore I don't really care what your point of view in your supposed experience because we have history to back it up.. Saddam after Desert Storm had control of the country and ISIS did not exist.. Nor did he support Terrorism by Islamists, in fact he was enemies with them..

The military tends to stick around years, even sometimes decades after wars.

We were in Germany for 10 years plus.

Wait what? You claim to be a military man yet you make such a ridiculous comparison? Germany and Japan did not have several extreme groups violently vying for power.. They did not have extreme religious zealotry that was leading to tons of casualties AFTER the war..

We were Japan for awhile. I never said anything about drones, so throwing that in my face means nothing.

Yeah you did buddy because we were talking about innocent people getting killed from President Obama and the shit don't work.. What tool did Obama use to do this? DRONES..

We need boots on the ground, and it needs to be a worldwide effort. Take your hippie bullshit somewhere else.

How exactly do I come off as a hippie or anti war?? I am pointing out failed policies and strategies that have coalesced to a shit sundae known as the Middle East.. And now you want to waste trillions of dollars more and numerous American lives in another occupation after two, not one but TWO fucking occupations have utterly failed in coming anything close to what we wanted.. I am not anti war, I am against fucking stupid military policies which have utterly failed in solving anything in 14 years of history to back it up.. The Taliban.. Still exists and they are stronger than ever.. We have now replaced a dictator that was not attacking the United States, with a group that is running amok through out the region and further on..