Terrorist Attack In France: ISIS Claims Responsibility, Hostage Takers Execute 89. At Least 129 Dead.

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#351 LJS9502_basic
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@Archangel3371 said:

@LJS9502_basic: What? I just said what should be done. Also you should re-read my initial post as it does not mean what you think it means.

You didn't say anything. I know exactly what your post means. Do you?

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#352  Edited By BiancaDK
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fear tactics: making democracy work for the super elite instead of you, instant effect guaranteed on delivery

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@LJS9502_basic: I very much said something. Take reasonable precautionary measures while still helping those in need. What's so hard about comprehending that? I'm talking about the post where I said that I hope people don't stop helping ANYONE simply because they MIGHT be a terrorist. For example not helping any Syrian refugee because there MIGHT be a terrorist among them.

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@ReadingRainbow4 said:

realistically how close are we to WW III. It seems like most of the worlds powers want justice from the middle east and whoever is backing ISIS.

If it's a world war, ISIS ain't exactly in a position to put up much of a fight.

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How Belgium became a breeding ground for international terrorists

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@uninspiredcup said:
@ReadingRainbow4 said:

realistically how close are we to WW III. It seems like most of the worlds powers want justice from the middle east and whoever is backing ISIS.

If it's a world war, ISIS ain't exactly in a position to put up much of a fight.

True, i suppose it's more like a world wide terrorist hunt, even Syria are fighting ISIS from within their country.

My concern is how the backers will react once they've been outed. The best case scenario is they're just executed from within their own countries.

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John Kerry's speech was exceptional.

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What is it about Islam that creates and enables these extremists past any other faith? People continue to say Islam preaches peace, it's the people that are the problem.....ok, but why don't we see suicide Christian bombers? Or Jewish? Or Mormons?

Not all Muslims are terrorists or radicals (the majority are not), sure, but it sure does seem nearly all religious terrorism can be bet upon to be Islamic. I may be ignorant, but I'm open to being educated: if Islam isn't the problem, then why isn't, say, every other religion on the planet causing this turmoil in equal measure?

That's a good question, well, my first guess is Islam Religion seems poor at advancing socially and progressing towards being more accepting of, well, women being one example. And other things, I believe Islam ins't very tolerant of homosexuals either.

I for one am pretty certain I'm not a fan of much for its religious rules/policies at all. And something about many Islam-Dominant countries, seems like they always have leaders and higher-ups, that are void of common sense and aren't willing to not be so chained to the religious rules/policies, and are not open to allowing some freedom and figuring the rules and policies from the old books always need to be followed to the max 1,000%.

Now don't get me wrong here, I respect Muslims that are against terrorism and want peace, and do not want to have anything to do with going the extremist path and going on the destruction route. However I'd also appreciate it if these same Muslims that are against terrorism, are also for progression and are also for getting rid of oppression, and finally getting with the times like a good portion of other countries, on letting women/homosexuals have way more freedom/rights.

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#360 LJS9502_basic
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@Archangel3371 said:

@LJS9502_basic: I very much said something. Take reasonable precautionary measures while still helping those in need. What's so hard about comprehending that? I'm talking about the post where I said that I hope people don't stop helping ANYONE simply because they MIGHT be a terrorist. For example not helping any Syrian refugee because there MIGHT be a terrorist among them.

Reasonable precautions is just a buzz word....it's not specific at all.

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@LJS9502_basic: lol Buzzword? Whatever man.

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#362  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Rather than striking them, Putin has announced he will stop and arm rebels if they attack ISIS.

David Cameron is trying to get the UK to do airstrikes but parliament is still pussyfied from the tinge of Iraq. He doesn't actually need permission, but being a weasily **** he's probably shit scared of negative PR that tarred labour in the public eye.

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@Toph_Girl250: I mean, what is it in the writings? If you had an extremist and placed a bible and a Quran in front of them, of which one would it be easier for them to justify these atrocities with?

I'd think that would be an answerable question. I have a hard time buying people are fully responsible and these scriptures are always absolved of all responsibility.

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Peter Quin from homeland lays it out.

This was aired 8 weeks ago.

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@effec_tor said:

Peter Quin from homeland lays it out.

This was aired 8 weeks ago.

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At 0:28: "They're gathering right now in Raqqa by the tens of thousands, hidden in the civilian population, ..."

At 1:50: "... pound Raqqa into a parking lot."

But nooooooo, the US has a policy of avoiding civilian casualties.

Just ask @LJS9502_basic ! :-P

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@Stesilaus said:

At 0:28: "They're gathering right now in Raqqa by the tens of thousands, hidden in the civilian population, ..."

At 1:50: "... pound Raqqa into a parking lot."

But nooooooo, the US has a policy of avoiding civilian casualties.

Just ask @LJS9502_basic ! :-P

Russia is doing it. .. bombing starts at the 30 sec mark

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@tubbyc: I'll start with the definition of 'innocence'. In the most purest sense of the word, only Prophets and angels can be innocent. As for innocence in the context of who shouldn't be killed, it includes just about anyone (Muslim or non-Muslim) except for three kinds of people:

1. The enemy in war.

2. Those who commit Hudd crimes. (specific ones; it follows proper trial and is a long subject)

3. Those who commit some types of Harb crimes - terrorism, rape, etc. Again, proper trial is followed and complied with.

Were we to say that Quran is to interpreted through Muhammad's (pbuh) life then we would be contradicting our own selves when we try to justify that Quran wants Muslims to kill non-Muslims simply because Shirk is worse than killing; because Muhammad (pbuh) didn't do that except for the 3 conditions I've written above. I find it worth mentioning, a quote of Ali ibn Abi Talib (R.A), the Fourth Caliph of Islam:

"Remember, Maalik, that amongst your subjects there are two kinds of people: those who have the same religion as you have; they are brothers to you, and those who have religions other than that of yours, they are human beings like you. Men of either category suffer from the same weaknesses and disabilities that human beings are inclined to, they commit sins, indulge in vices either intentionally or foolishly and unintentionally without realizing the enormity of their deeds. Let your mercy and compassion come to their rescue and help in the same way and to the same extent that you expect Allah to show mercy and forgiveness to you".

Letter 53 - To Malik Al Ashtor for Governance

Another worth mentioning quote of Umar (R.A), the second Caliph: "I wish there was a wall of fire between us and the Romans. So that neither can we cross into their lands, nor they in ours''.

The article you posted commits this mistake: it starts off by accepting that Muhammad (pbuh) life is to be taken in account while interpreting the Quran and then it deliberately ignores his life for the rest of the article to justify whatever it wanted to justify. What Muhammad and the Quran mean by saying that, ''fight until there is no more fitnah'', is simply, deeply, that as long as there are people who commit fitnah (rebellion also counts; even of Muslims against Muslims) then there will be war. Imagine there were only Muslims in the world, then there would be only one sort of 'war' left: Civil war. Other than that, there would be no more reason given to you to fight. Another Hadith I should quote from Sahih-al-Muslim: "O believers! say that we don't wish to fight. But if fighting is brought upon us, then we stand steadfast''. What I'll suggest you here is that, before jumping into the Quran or the depths of Islam - that's someplace where 95% of even the Muslims of this age haven't jumped - you should read about the people who upheld this religion; the people who are unanimously deemed as the 'true followers of Islam'. That is, Muhammad (pbuh) and the Rashidun Caliphs. I don't think you'll find anything veracious about Muhammad (pbuh) on the internet but Tariq Ramadan's book "In the footsteps of Muhammad (pbuh)", is the best thing you can get if you're looking to know about Muhammad (pbuh) AND his teachings. As for the Rashidun, just reading their wikis will suffice, for now.

You have to understand that the worst sides of Islam have only been brought up 1400 years after the religion's advent. That ought to raise some suspicions. One thing that even us non-Muqallid Muslims do is that we adhere to whatever Muhammad (pbuh) and his followers did. Whatever political conspiracies happened afterwards had nothing to do with Islam. And whatever divides occurred afterwards, again, had nothing to do with the religion. Simply put, Muhammad (pbuh) said this, "There will be 73 sects in my Ummah, and not a single one of them will go to heaven save for one: those who'll follow me and my companions''. That is all. I hope I was of help.

Thanks for your response. It doesn't give me a more positive impression of Islam though to be honest.

One thing I'm curious about, what are the specific examples of Hudd crimes you refer to?

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The biggest mistake made was calling a "war on terror" because it implies that countries can fight against these cowardly tactics and win. Unfortunately all the air strikes in the world will not stop one man from deciding to blow himself up in a crowded area in the name of his god. I feel sorrow for those who lost loved ones in these attacks and those like it, but its not a battle that will be won, and having a french flag behind your facebook picture is unfortunately, a feeble effort and showing solidarity IMHO.

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@always_explicit said:

The biggest mistake made was calling a "war on terror" because it implies that countries can fight against these cowardly tactics and win. Unfortunately all the air strikes in the world will not stop one man from deciding to blow himself up in a crowded area in the name of his god. I feel sorrow for those who lost loved ones in these attacks and those like it, but its not a battle that will be won, and having a french flag behind your facebook picture is unfortunately, a feeble effort and showing solidarity IMHO.

U.S dropped 2 nukes on a radical death cult in WW2 and that worked.

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I was held hostage by Isis. They fear our unity more than our airstrikes

Fascinating article from a man held by ISIS for 10 months.

Even now I sometimes chat with them on social media, and can tell you that much of what you think of them results from their brand of marketing and public relations. They present themselves to the public as superheroes, but away from the camera are a bit pathetic in many ways: street kids drunk on ideology and power. In France we have a saying – stupid and evil. I found them more stupid than evil. That is not to understate the murderous potential of stupidity.

Apparently they are were quite chilidish, which I suppose makes sense as many are in their 20's. Doubt I would be laughing.

They would play mock executions. Once they used chloroform with me. Another time it was a beheading scene. A bunch of French-speaking jihadis were shouting, “We’re going to cut your head off and put it on to your arse and upload it to YouTube.” They had a sword from an antique shop.

They were laughing and I played the game by screaming, but they just wanted fun. As soon as they left I turned to another of the French hostages and just laughed. It was so ridiculous.

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"In the end of time there will come a people young in years, foolish in minds, reciting the Qur'an which will not go beyond their throats, uttering sayings from the best of creatures, going through the religion as an arrow goes through the target."

Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)

http://www.sunnah.com/tirmidhi/33/31

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#373  Edited By skipper847
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One of Germany football stadiums been evacuated just now.

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Bloody hell whats happening As typing above another news came in saying a British airways flight from Heathrow to US a women tried entering cockpit.

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@skipper847 said:

One of Germany football stadiums been evacuated just now.

Yea, watching on 24, saying it's there is a concrete threat to all the city.

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The bbc guy broke down and walked off set earlier.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12000387/Paris-attacks-BBC-reporter-Graham-Satchell-breaks-down-in-tears-during-live-report.html

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Again refugees where chucking water and food away when people giving it to them and saying. WE WANT GERMANY NOT FOOD AND WATER.

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Like others have said:

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/nov/17/germany-holland-friendly-suspicious-suitcase

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Just watched the press conference. No explosives have been found and no arrests have been made.

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It Says:
It Says: "They have weapons. **** them. We have champagne".

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This thread about Paris or something else now?

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@TheHighWind said:

This thread about Paris or something else now?

It is about stuff exploding in the West/Russia and how in turn the West/Russia will explode stuff in the Middle East.

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@Master_Live said:
@TheHighWind said:

This thread about Paris or something else now?

It is about stuff exploding in the West/Russia and how in turn the West/Russia will explode stuff in the Middle East.

Yeah Serraph105 said in another thread: "ok, what do you think about the idea that terrorists like the recent ones in France had an intended goal of getting countries to drop bombs on the middle east? " It's pretty true.

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@magicalclick said:

How did you managed to edit thread title? I thought we can't edit post after it got expired.

We can change thread titles again, except for polls.

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Its not called soccer its football and the one you pick up the ball is called Rugby.

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@skipper847 said:

Its not called soccer its football and the one you pick up the ball is called Rugby.

Who cares man lol usually I like to make fun of the term "soccer" too but now is not the time

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@uninspiredcup said:

I was held hostage by Isis. They fear our unity more than our airstrikes

Fascinating article from a man held by ISIS for 10 months.

It is interesting at the same time it makes me annoyed they join for glory just like that.

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