For all you people who believe in god?

yes there is, read quran :)

mingo123

That's not exactly what he means by proof.

Ok, people this discussion was truly memorable. I now have to go and sleep, it's 5 am in my part of the world and I have to go to school, in the morning.:)MFaraz_Hayat

Night dude....

nobody believes in religion because they believe logically it makes sense, religion isn't based on logic it's based on the complete opposite, devoting your life to something with absolutely no proof

they believe in it because they are scared not to, and 99% of religious people were programmed that way from birth

yeah im just making my points here im not really directing it at either of you,

just sayin

ANARACHYYYY

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]i heard the vatican added some new sins recentlysyorks1

noooo check the news they did

you people are so hopelessly blind it scares me

the day you stop believing in god and stop expecting something from life and stop blaming somebody else for your problems, will be the day you find heaven

praise jesus

U can still be a Christian and believe in evolution.

you guys just have to stop being scared

would you really wanna live on in a physical form for all eternity?

death is a good thing

stop lying to yourself and go and live your life

BobSacamento

No offense but then why wouldn't u just want to kill yourself then. I'm not saying u should but it doesn't really make since.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]

yes there is, read quran :)

LJS9502_basic

That's not exactly what he means by proof.

[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

you guys just have to stop being scared

would you really wanna live on in a physical form for all eternity?

death is a good thing

stop lying to yourself and go and live your life

syorks1

No offense but then why wouldn't u just want to kill yourself then. I'm not saying u should but it doesn't really make since.

because theres more to life than just what comes after it - which you people believe is another life, then whats the point of death?

living without these beliefs really makes you live each day to the fullest and take nothing for granted - because im sorry fellas this is it - we go to the same place that a dead fish does

the ground

sssorryyy

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

yes there is, read quran :)

DivergeUnify

That's not exactly what he means by proof.

[QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mingo123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

But the matter of accepting Jesus (P.B.U.H.) as God, is a matter of faith. It's not a historical fact. Sure many people did believe in him as God, but many donot believe in him as God. (Certain religions donot identify him as well)

jlh47

But the same can be said of Mohammend.

no

Yes. Accepting him as a prophet requires faith. There is no proof.

Quran is my proof ;) and its the truth...bible has failed, Quran hasnt, you tried to prove it false and failed

http://isaalmasih.net/archaeology-isa/quran-archaeology.html

The earliest qur'anic writings on coins and on the Dome of the Rock do not coincide with the current qur'anic text.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/earlyquran.html its 1 am in uk so im off to sleep

[QUOTE="syorks1"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]i heard the vatican added some new sins recentlyDivergeUnify

noooo check the news they did

you people are so hopelessly blind it scares me

the day you stop believing in god and stop expecting something from life and stop blaming somebody else for your problems, will be the day you find heaven

praise jesus

U can still be a Christian and believe in evolution.

If u still pray then u have to still believe a little. Did u at one point feel God? I see that u said u don't feel anything anymore so at one time did u?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

yes there is, read quran :)

DivergeUnify

That's not exactly what he means by proof.

theres enough proof and probably scientific evidence in Quran that its the true word of god...........and bible failed...good night :D

people tend to confuse god with chemicals in their brain and their emotions lol

shame we can't all be neuro-surgeons

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

yes there is, read quran :)

mingo123

That's not exactly what he means by proof.

theres enough proof and probably scientific evidence in Quran that its the true word of god...........and bible failed...good night :D

theres enough proof and probably scientific evidence in Quran that its the true word of god...........and bible failed...good night :D

mingo123

You can post your opinion all night.....but you didn't prove anything.;)

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

yes there is, read quran :)

mingo123

That's not exactly what he means by proof.

theres enough proof and probably scientific evidence in Quran that its the true word of god...........and bible failed...good night :D

amazing how he believes in the Quran, and also thinks that it's the right story!

alright im out lol sry guys for the downer i kind of went on a rant there

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

yes there is, read quran :)

mingo123

That's not exactly what he means by proof.

theres enough proof and probably scientific evidence in Quran that its the true word of god...........and bible failed...good night :D

amazing how he believes in the Quran, and also thinks that it's the right story!

alright im out lol sry guys for the downer i kind of went on a rant there

i just want people to open their minds - the world would be a much better place

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="syorks1"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]i heard the vatican added some new sins recentlysyorks1

noooo check the news they did

you people are so hopelessly blind it scares me

the day you stop believing in god and stop expecting something from life and stop blaming somebody else for your problems, will be the day you find heaven

praise jesus

U can still be a Christian and believe in evolution.

If u still pray then u have to still believe a little. Did u at one point feel God? I see that u said u don't feel anything anymore so at one time did u?

OMGZ OMGZ ZOMZZZZZ http://www.thewaytotruth.org/theholyquran/wordofgod.html mingo123

You can't use beliefs as proof.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]OMGZ OMGZ ZOMZZZZZ http://www.thewaytotruth.org/theholyquran/wordofgod.html Godly_Cure

You can't use beliefs as proof.

like i said read quran and look at the science in it, where did all that science come from centuries ago?

[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]OMGZ OMGZ ZOMZZZZZ http://www.thewaytotruth.org/theholyquran/wordofgod.html mingo123

You can't use beliefs as proof.

like i said read quran and look at the science in it, where did all that science come from centuries ago?

I don't believe in the Quran. I don't believe in the set up of the religion. It matters not to me if they understood science back then.

[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]OMGZ OMGZ ZOMZZZZZ http://www.thewaytotruth.org/theholyquran/wordofgod.html mingo123

You can't use beliefs as proof.

like i said read quran and look at the science in it, where did all that science come from centuries ago?

I don't believe in the Quran. It matters not to me if they understood science back then.

Wait, has this thread moved over from atheists vs christians to christians vs muslims?

Epic.

actually it was christians vs. muslems, then athiests vs. christians and muslems, now it's back to christians vs. muslems

will there ever be peace in this world...

actually it was christians vs. muslems, then athiests vs. christians and muslems, now it's back to christians vs. muslems

will there ever be peace in this world...

BobSacamento

if this thread is an example of the world on a small scale.... nope.

you and me

we're gonna get along just fine

you and me

we're gonna get along just fine

BobSacamento

We need to have a scoring system. Like this point or that arguement is worth so much points and then each thread= a game, we could have a league and divisions, hell even a world series....

[QUOTE="Squeets"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Squeets"]

Oh I know that... I have just had more Christians threaten me with death that all the other religions combined... (Face to Face of Coarse...) I know about the Jihad that says all muslims should kill any and all Americans as they see fit... I have yet to meet a muslim that has come up to me and threatened me though... While on the other hand I have met plenty Christians that do that...

mingo123

Christians walk up to you...tell you they are Christian and state they are going to kill you? I do not believe that. At all.

No... they walk up to me... tell me they are Christian... and tell me that I will burn in hell forever unless I embrace their god... I had cancer and I was in a hospital for over 11 months... and at least once a week I had a christian preacher from a local church come to my room and praise his god and tell me to accept my end and accept his god or I would burn in hell forever when I died...

I ignored this and continued my treatment and I am not cancer free... that was almost a decade ago...

they tell you for your own good....they give you good advice and help you from getting pwned in hellfire.....these days people dont give a f about anyone but aint it good that some one came to you to show you the right path yet you refused....how sad

lolz, you actually believe all that?? wow. "Pwned in hellfire"? Awesome.

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

[QUOTE="mingo123"]well God gave you time to choose your path.....you dont do the homework then be prepared for punishmentmingo123

Exactly... you don't even answer me... and you say I will be punished for not believing in your god... that is what makes me a "non" believer...

the same God that put you on Earth, made water for you, did so many things for you.....asks you to just follow him yet you cant...well you gotta pay then :P

who's with me on the religious debate league?methree15

Arguing with a Christian is like arguing with a brick wall; you're never going to get anywhere and in the end you'll look like an idiot.

Arguing with a Christian is like arguing with a brick wall; you're never going to get anywhere and in the end you'll look like an idiot.

smarb001

Arguing with a Christian is like arguing with a brick wall; you're never going to get anywhere and in the end you'll look like an idiot.

smarb001

Which can be said of other religions and atheists as well.;)

rooted on the sidelines. not tradionally religious but recognize the value of religion in this world. not atheist.

but anyway, yeah, I could be like an umpire or ref or something.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]

what witness? only 1 person?

LJS9502_basic

To the crucifixtion? It was public and several people were around. So that 1 person is not true. Again...first learn Christianity and not what Islam SAYS is Christianity.

How do YOU know what happened? The bible is not an accurate historical document, it cannot be used as proof that anything happened, only as a basis for further research. Of course, in every story there is usually a grain of truth, but everything in the bible is just that, stories, not to be taken literally or interpreted as the words of God himself. In this day and age, anyone who believes in the bible literally is brainwashed, brought up with their beliefs. Just look at all the Creationists out there... :roll: :lol:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

what witness? only 1 person?

smarb001

To the crucifixtion? It was public and several people were around. So that 1 person is not true. Again...first learn Christianity and not what Islam SAYS is Christianity.

How do YOU know what happened? The bible is not an accurate historical document, it cannot be used as proof that anything happened, only as a basis for further research. Of course, in every story there is usually a grain of truth, but everything in the bible is just that, stories, not to be taken literally or interpreted as the words of God himself. In this day and age, anyone who believes in the bible literally is brainwashed, brought up with their beliefs. Just look at all the Creationists out there... :roll: :lol:

mind telling us how you arrived at that conclusion?

oh I will go into the historical and textual reliability of the new testament, I just want to know how you arrived at THAT conclusion specifically.

Why?

Promising paradise and immortality for all those who follow him and threatening damnation and eternal hellfire to those who don't?

What type of savior threatens death, destruction, pain, suffering to those who do not follow him?

I am not an atheist... more of an agnostic... I believe there could be some type of creator or higher power... but I do not follow a religion... but those of you who follow Jesus? Why?

You say that we shouldn't follow evolution because there is no proof... when there is proof... the oil we burn the fossils that fill our museums? If that isn't proof enough for you... then why do you follow something you can't even see or feel?

Right after you tell me to not follow evolution... you turn around and tell me to believe in someone I have never met who died for "my" sins and to follow a several thousand year old book that says I will suffer for all of eternity unless I embrace it...?

What about other religions? Buddhist, Jews, Hindus, Muslims... they have followed their religions for thousands of years? You are telling me that they are wrong and will suffer because of it?

You people who preach your religions sound more like fanatics than faithful. You tell us we will suffer unless we embrace your lord.

All I ask is why?

Squeets

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

what witness? only 1 person?

smarb001

To the crucifixtion? It was public and several people were around. So that 1 person is not true. Again...first learn Christianity and not what Islam SAYS is Christianity.

How do YOU know what happened? The bible is not an accurate historical document, it cannot be used as proof that anything happened, only as a basis for further research. Of course, in every story there is usually a grain of truth, but everything in the bible is just that, stories, not to be taken literally or interpreted as the words of God himself. In this day and age, anyone who believes in the bible literally is brainwashed, brought up with their beliefs. Just look at all the Creationists out there... :roll: :lol:

Mind posting your proof then. And before you make assumptions you may wish to find out what someone...you know believes. Never assume dude.:roll:

[QUOTE="smarb001"]

Arguing with a Christian is like arguing with a brick wall; you're never going to get anywhere and in the end you'll look like an idiot.

LJS9502_basic

Which can be said of other religions and atheists as well.;)

Yeah well, at least Athiests have a solid basis for their beliefs... I mean how many of you believers in here came to the assumption that God exists by yourself, without it being drilled into your head at church or by your parents. At least in ancient times people were creative with their gods, and thought their own system of beliefs instead of simply adopting the dominant religion. I mean, I actually came to the conclusion that all religions are lies by thinking about it and suddenly I understood, how did this happen to you? How much do you want to bet that it didn't, because you've never experienced anything else and have never seriously questioned your religion....

smarb001, when exactly are you going to answer the question I posed to you?

oh thank god there's hope

i'm not happy with the "ignorance is bliss" mentality

i want to know the real answers

THATS what makes life so exciting, the unknown

if i was religious i would kill myself

people believe in religion because they have to, because it gives them hope

they need a voice to tell them what to do or else they would lose their marbles

just people looking for a quick answer to life

sorry fellas

BobSacramento is wrong

sorry fellas.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="smarb001"]

Arguing with a Christian is like arguing with a brick wall; you're never going to get anywhere and in the end you'll look like an idiot.

smarb001

Which can be said of other religions and atheists as well.;)

Yeah well, at least Athiests have a solid basis for their beliefs... I mean how many of you believers in here came to the assumption that God exists by yourself, without it being drilled into your head at church or by your parents. At least in ancient times people were creative with their gods, and thought their own system of beliefs instead of simply adopting the dominant religion. I mean, I actually came to the conclusion that all religions are lies by thinking about it and suddenly I understood, how did this happen to you? How much do you want to bet that it didn't, because you've never experienced anything else and have never seriously questioned your religion....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="smarb001"]

Arguing with a Christian is like arguing with a brick wall; you're never going to get anywhere and in the end you'll look like an idiot.

smarb001

Which can be said of other religions and atheists as well.;)

Yeah well, at least Athiests have a solid basis for their beliefs... I mean how many of you believers in here came to the assumption that God exists by yourself, without it being drilled into your head at church or by your parents. At least in ancient times people were creative with their gods, and thought their own system of beliefs instead of simply adopting the dominant religion. I mean, I actually came to the conclusion that all religions are lies by thinking about it and suddenly I understood, how did this happen to you? How much do you want to bet that it didn't, because you've never experienced anything else and have never seriously questioned your religion....

Beliefs are beliefs. And at this time we have no answer which is correct. Therefore, atheists are no more correct than anyone else.

More erroneous assumptions....:lol: Seriously dude....stop assuming. One is generally wrong when doing that.