Do you think humans will ever visit a planet outside of our solar system?

But lightspeed is painfully slow for traveling.GOGOGOGURT

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]But lightspeed is painfully slow for traveling.Ace6301

Which is why, in all likelihood, we're never visiting a planet on another solar system.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]But lightspeed is painfully slow for traveling.coolbeans90

Which is why, in all likelihood, we're never visiting a planet on another solar system.

I leave for a day and this happens...

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Why did this then into a stupid religion debate?wis3boi

because some fools feel the need to parade around their elementary-level world view

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Why did this then into a stupid religion debate?LJS9502_basic

because some fools feel the need to parade around their elementary-level world view

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

because some fools feel the need to parade around their elementary-level world view

chaplainDMK

Goddamn, the stupid in this thread is painful.

worlock77

Goddamn, the stupid in this thread is painful.

worlock77

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]But lightspeed is painfully slow for traveling.Ace6301

It's impossible for an object to go the speed of light as long as it has mass.  The force needed to accelerate the mass even FASTER becomes exponential, and an object can get very close (i.e 99.9999%) but will not reach the speed of light.

However, you can beat light by shortening the distance.  This is a wormhole, the most effective way of travel for a human, minus all the problems with it.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]But lightspeed is painfully slow for traveling.GOGOGOGURT

It's impossible for an object to go the speed of light as long as it has mass.  The force needed to accelerate the mass even FASTER becomes exponential, and an object can get very close (i.e 99.9999%) but will not reach the speed of light.

However, you can beat light by shortening the distance.  This is a wormhole, the most effective way of travel for a human, minus all the problems with it.

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Well that's tough sh*t because we'll probably never even go that fast.Ace6301

It's impossible for an object to go the speed of light as long as it has mass.  The force needed to accelerate the mass even FASTER becomes exponential, and an object can get very close (i.e 99.9999%) but will not reach the speed of light.

However, you can beat light by shortening the distance.  This is a wormhole, the most effective way of travel for a human, minus all the problems with it.

True.  For wormholes to exist, there must be black holes, but even those are theory and have never been detected or seen.

Our best bet now is either a mass manipulation device (yes, like in mass effect, but not so effective, and yes it is possible) Or a ship that would support a colony of humans for at least 200 years.  It would be a one-way trip.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Why did this then into a stupid religion debate?LJS9502_basic

because some fools feel the need to parade around their elementary-level world view

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Why did this then into a stupid religion debate?LJS9502_basic

because some fools feel the need to parade around their elementary-level world view

HAHA zing!  The truth never felt so good.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

It's impossible for an object to go the speed of light as long as it has mass.  The force needed to accelerate the mass even FASTER becomes exponential, and an object can get very close (i.e 99.9999%) but will not reach the speed of light.

 

However, you can beat light by shortening the distance.  This is a wormhole, the most effective way of travel for a human, minus all the problems with it.

GOGOGOGURT

True.  For wormholes to exist, there must be black holes, but even those are theory and have never been detected or seen.

Our best bet now is either a mass manipulation device (yes, like in mass effect, but not so effective, and yes it is possible) Or a ship that would support a colony of humans for at least 200 years.  It would be a one-way trip.

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] The most effective way of travel for humans except that it's purely conjecture.Ace6301

True.  For wormholes to exist, there must be black holes, but even those are theory and have never been detected or seen.

Our best bet now is either a mass manipulation device (yes, like in mass effect, but not so effective, and yes it is possible) Or a ship that would support a colony of humans for at least 200 years.  It would be a one-way trip.

A wormhole (or a useful one at least) is 2 black holes that wells have crossed each others paths in curved space, very, very far apart.  There are dozens of obstacles to overcome that are beyond out current capability to safely travel through a wormhole.

And we have evidence that hint at black holes, such as the one that MIGHT be in our galaxy, but it's still a theory.  Yes, they are more likely to exist than not, since astrophysicists have found few contradictions in calculations.

Provided humanity doesn't wipe itself out or be wiped out by an extinction event, then sure, why not?

Yes, but not anytime soon.

Provided humanity doesn't wipe itself out or be wiped out by an extinction event, then sure, why not?

October_Tide

I could give you a 'wall of text' of reasons why not.

Chances are generational ships is what we're going to end up having to do.Ace6301

this is what a lot of people forget about.  if we do go to another system, we'd never make return trips with the same group or even the same ship.  I like the way Avatar did their space travel in the movie (although they never explained their ability to communicate with Earth or how they deal with returning trips).  They sent a ship from Earth that progressively, over months and months, got closer and closer to lightspeed without hiting the speed limit, then halfway, slowing down gradually until it got into the system.  People inside were cryo frozen in sleep for the duration of the trip.  It lasted 6 years or so for the ride.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Chances are generational ships is what we're going to end up having to do.wis3boi

this is what a lot of people forget about.  if we do go to another system, we'd never make return trips with the same group or even the same ship.  I like the way Avatar did their space travel in the movie (although they never explained their ability to communicate with Earth or how they deal with returning trips).  They sent a ship from Earth that progressively, over months and months, got closer and closer to lightspeed without hiting the speed limit, then halfway, slowing down gradually until it got into the system.  People inside were cryo frozen in sleep for the duration of the trip.  It lasted 6 years or so for the ride.

It would take MUCH longer than 6 years to get to any planet of interest at normal speeds.  More like 5000 years.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

True.  For wormholes to exist, there must be black holes, but even those are theory and have never been detected or seen.

 

Our best bet now is either a mass manipulation device (yes, like in mass effect, but not so effective, and yes it is possible) Or a ship that would support a colony of humans for at least 200 years.  It would be a one-way trip.

GOGOGOGURT

A wormhole (or a useful one at least) is 2 black holes that wells have crossed each others paths in curved space, very, very far apart.  There are dozens of obstacles to overcome that are beyond out current capability to safely travel through a wormhole.

And we have evidence that hint at black holes, such as the one that MIGHT be in our galaxy, but it's still a theory.  Yes, they are more likely to exist than not, since astrophysicists have found few contradictions in calculations.

Ah no
Wormholes and blackholes are two completely different things
We will never ever ever ever be able to travel into a blackhole and live to tell the tale

And we know black holes exist
There is one at the centre of our galaxy
It is not conjecture nor is it hinted

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I'm not sure what you mean worm holes need black holes to exist because they're not one and the same. Black holes have been detected and we have pictures of them (as much as you can take pictures of a black hole that's thousands of light years away with our current technology). Wormholes however we've never detected or seen and even if they do exist a naturally occurring one isn't something you'd probably want to send people into since you wouldn't know where it comes out at. We'll probably start trying to manipulate the Higgs fields soon enough I guess. Chances are generational ships is what we're going to end up having to do.chaoscougar1

A wormhole (or a useful one at least) is 2 black holes that wells have crossed each others paths in curved space, very, very far apart.  There are dozens of obstacles to overcome that are beyond out current capability to safely travel through a wormhole.

And we have evidence that hint at black holes, such as the one that MIGHT be in our galaxy, but it's still a theory.  Yes, they are more likely to exist than not, since astrophysicists have found few contradictions in calculations.

Ah no
Wormholes and blackholes are two completely different things
We will never ever ever ever be able to travel into a blackhole and live to tell the tale

And we know black holes exist
There is one at the centre of our galaxy
It is not conjecture nor is it hinted

Common misconception. 

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

A wormhole (or a useful one at least) is 2 black holes that wells have crossed each others paths in curved space, very, very far apart.  There are dozens of obstacles to overcome that are beyond out current capability to safely travel through a wormhole.

 

And we have evidence that hint at black holes, such as the one that MIGHT be in our galaxy, but it's still a theory.  Yes, they are more likely to exist than not, since astrophysicists have found few contradictions in calculations.

GOGOGOGURT

Ah no
Wormholes and blackholes are two completely different things
We will never ever ever ever be able to travel into a blackhole and live to tell the tale

And we know black holes exist
There is one at the centre of our galaxy
It is not conjecture nor is it hinted

Common misconception. 

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Chances are generational ships is what we're going to end up having to do.GOGOGOGURT

this is what a lot of people forget about.  if we do go to another system, we'd never make return trips with the same group or even the same ship.  I like the way Avatar did their space travel in the movie (although they never explained their ability to communicate with Earth or how they deal with returning trips).  They sent a ship from Earth that progressively, over months and months, got closer and closer to lightspeed without hiting the speed limit, then halfway, slowing down gradually until it got into the system.  People inside were cryo frozen in sleep for the duration of the trip.  It lasted 6 years or so for the ride.

It would take MUCH longer than 6 years to get to any planet of interest at normal speeds.  More like 5000 years.

I'm guessing you didn't see Avatar or forgot that was my hypothetical situation?  They went to alpha centauri in the first 5min of the film at 90-95% light speed, arriving in 6-ish years, traveling 4.35 light years.

90-95% light speed

wis3boi

ROFL

not happening

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

90-95% light speed

coolbeans90

ROFL

not happening

its within the laws of physics, and with slow increases in the speed, entirely possible.  Will we ever do it? I doubti t, but it can happen.  A more realistic approach I see happening are generation ships.  I simply stated the avatar example as being far out there but entirely plausible

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

90-95% light speed

wis3boi

ROFL

not happening

its within the laws of physics, and with slow increases in the speed, entirely possible.  Will we ever do it? I doubti t, but it can happen.  A more realistic approach I see happening are generation ships.  I simply stated the avatar example as being far out there but entirely plausible

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fun fact: if we assume that the ship in Avatar weighs about as much as a Saturn rocket (~100000kg), the energy required to accelerate it to .95c is equal to about half of the world's total fossil fuel reserves.

<3 wolfram alpha (saves me oodles of time when to lazy to algebra)

but, srsly

95% of the speed of light

jesus fvcking christ

why can't people math and stuff

RELATIVITY IS A PRETTY BIG FVCKING DEAL

system's keepin' us down :/

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

True.  For wormholes to exist, there must be black holes, but even those are theory and have never been detected or seen.

 

Our best bet now is either a mass manipulation device (yes, like in mass effect, but not so effective, and yes it is possible) Or a ship that would support a colony of humans for at least 200 years.  It would be a one-way trip.

GOGOGOGURT

A wormhole (or a useful one at least) is 2 black holes that wells have crossed each others paths in curved space, very, very far apart.  There are dozens of obstacles to overcome that are beyond out current capability to safely travel through a wormhole.

And we have evidence that hint at black holes, such as the one that MIGHT be in our galaxy, but it's still a theory.  Yes, they are more likely to exist than not, since astrophysicists have found few contradictions in calculations.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] with all due respect, this is not christianity, we don't bend our a$$ over, which is why the west is having a hard time trying to make Islam bend to its knees which will never happen, so they have no choice except destabilize the Muslim lands, catholics can keep their pope for a reason, he is nothing but a figure head with no power, a Caliph on the other hand is a whole different level, the British knew this and were so desperate to get rid of this from Turkey, which they did, and now the Muslim world is divided, Saudi now has a "King" who is again nothing but a puppet, all this will be fixed when Jesus comes back...no offence ofcourse ;)

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

ROFL

not happening

coolbeans90

its within the laws of physics, and with slow increases in the speed, entirely possible.  Will we ever do it? I doubti t, but it can happen.  A more realistic approach I see happening are generation ships.  I simply stated the avatar example as being far out there but entirely plausible

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Got a better rebuttal or are we just having a laughing fit?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

its within the laws of physics, and with slow increases in the speed, entirely possible.  Will we ever do it? I doubti t, but it can happen.  A more realistic approach I see happening are generation ships.  I simply stated the avatar example as being far out there but entirely plausible

wis3boi

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Got a better rebuttal or are we just having a laughing fit?

I'm content with laughing, but feel free to pick up a physics textbook in your spare time, and then read about special relativity, and take into consideration energy constraints.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

coolbeans90

Got a better rebuttal or are we just having a laughing fit?

I'm content with laughing, but feel free to pick up a physics textbook in your spare time, and then read about special relativity, and take into consideration energy constraints.

I have, thanks.  Carry on

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Got a better rebuttal or are we just having a laughing fit?

wis3boi

I'm content with laughing, but feel free to pick up a physics textbook in your spare time, and then read about special relativity, and take into consideration energy constraints.

I have, thanks.  Carry on

Then you understand the laughter.

[QUOTE="October_Tide"]

Provided humanity doesn't wipe itself out or be wiped out by an extinction event, then sure, why not?

GOGOGOGURT

I could give you a 'wall of text' of reasons why not.

Can you predict what human technology will look like in a 500-600 or maybe 1000 years time? I wasn't meaning in the near future, I think we can all agree that it won't happen. The laws of physics as they stand now, are not absolutes, so what could be seen as a violation of the laws or impossible now may be perfectly feasible down the line as our understanding of the universe continues to grow

Mind you I don't exactly have a great understanding of physics so I'm probably just spewing complete and utter bs and we will be stuck on this rock forever.

derp

GrayF0X786