Do you think humans will ever visit a planet outside of our solar system?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

The faster something goes, the more thrust is required to propel it faster, and it's exponential.  It's too much energy.  We won't be able to go as fast as light, but wormholes are probably more likely form of travel

GOGOGOGURT

You don't need lightspeed to leave the system

You're right.  And besides, even if we could travel lightspeed, we would still be pretty slow.  Way too slow.

Lightspeed too slow?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

The faster something goes, the more thrust is required to propel it faster, and it's exponential.  It's too much energy.  We won't be able to go as fast as light, but wormholes are probably more likely form of travel

coolbeans90

You don't need lightspeed to leave the system

He didn't say that it did.

We will if we don't get wiped out by something

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

No, we were created to stay on Earth.

GrayF0X786

i could understand how some find it fascinating to leave the Earth some day, maybe that is because you have read too many novels, watched too many films or played too much Mass Effect, that your brain cannot accept the reality that you are on Earth and you have been preset with limitations.

but then again you can keep trying to reach the stars in a civilised sensible manner, and no i am not talking about strapping 0.0000001% of the population of the Earth to a multi billion dollar rocket to land on the moon in an uncomfortable suit only to shove a flag on the ground and tell the world anything is possible.

Not gona happen.

Lets focus on hitting mars first. lonewolf604

I think that it's a very real possibility. Our understanding of the universe (while laudable) is still very much limited. Things that we see today as being impossible (Faster than light speed) could very well be the norm one thousand or even one million years from now. Just because we can't wrap our minds around such concepts now doesn't mean that we never will. 

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

You guys are thinking too much inside the box.

Imagine you told someone 500 years ago that one day we'd be able to land on the moon. Ok first you'd be burned for heresy, but getting past that I'm sure even the most prominent scientific minds would argue that the amount of energy we'd need to take off is impossible, cannot be done, and so on. Along with other impossible things they just couldn't wrap their mind around.

And you're talking about resources, lack of funds... It's absurd to think the current system (capitalism) will exist forever, maybe we move on to something else. And resources such as food, etc.? Maybe we come up with food "printers", machines that can create organic stuff from its chemical components.

Outright saying we'll all be dead is also absurd. Maybe but who knows.

Everything is possible.

Blood-Scribe

It's a lot easier to say this in retrospect since we have a much better understanding of what it takes to accomplish getting to the moon. People back then would understandably be skeptical because they lacked what we now know about aerodynamics, astrophysics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, and many other relevant fields of science that made the moon landing possible.

So it's silly to point out how people back then wouldn't have been able to imagine what we've accomplished today, because they hadn't made the key discoveries that made something like the moon landing feasible. It's also just as dumb to say that we're thinking too much inside the box since we're approaching the question of extrasolar colonization in terms of our current capabilities. We can't assume that we'll eventually make some discovery that completely changes how we go about solving our current problems just because it's happened before. We have to be aware of and work around our current limitations first since we have no real way of predicting what sort of future discoveries will be made and how they will impact things like colonization.

This is why it's stupid to sit back and tell ourselves that we'll just find some way to get around our current obstacles without having any sort of concrete understanding of how it'd be done, because that ignores the question of whether or not it's even plausible. Take the 'food printing' machine, for instance: What would be the mechanism behind the arrangement of the organic molecules that make up the food? How would we go about making 'blue prints' for food? How efficient would the process be? How safe would it be for consumptipn?

Saying that 'everything is possible' and that we're not thinking outside of the box is just intellectually lazy and ignores the problems that lie ahead of us.

I think that it's a very real possibility. Our understanding of the universe (while laudable) is still very much limited. Things that we see today as being impossible (Faster than light speed) could very well be the norm one thousand or even one million years from now. Just because we can't wrap our minds around such concepts now doesn't mean that we never will. 

DeathCl0ck

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

You guys are thinking too much inside the box.

Imagine you told someone 500 years ago that one day we'd be able to land on the moon. Ok first you'd be burned for heresy, but getting past that I'm sure even the most prominent scientific minds would argue that the amount of energy we'd need to take off is impossible, cannot be done, and so on. Along with other impossible things they just couldn't wrap their mind around.

And you're talking about resources, lack of funds... It's absurd to think the current system (capitalism) will exist forever, maybe we move on to something else. And resources such as food, etc.? Maybe we come up with food "printers", machines that can create organic stuff from its chemical components.

Outright saying we'll all be dead is also absurd. Maybe but who knows.

Everything is possible.

nunovlopes

It's a lot easier to say this in retrospect since we have a much better understanding of what it takes to accomplish getting to the moon. People back then would understandably be skeptical because they lacked what we now know about aerodynamics, astrophysics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, and many other relevant fields of science that made the moon landing possible.

So it's silly to point out how people back then wouldn't have been able to imagine what we've accomplished today, because they hadn't made the key discoveries that made something like the moon landing feasible. It's also just as dumb to say that we're thinking too much inside the box since we're approaching the question of extrasolar colonization in terms of our current capabilities. We can't assume that we'll eventually make some discovery that completely changes how we go about solving our current problems just because it's happened before. We have to be aware of and work around our current limitations first since we have no real way of predicting what sort of future discoveries will be made and how they will impact things like colonization.

This is why it's stupid to sit back and tell ourselves that we'll just find some way to get around our current obstacles without having any sort of concrete understanding of how it'd be done, because that ignores the question of whether or not it's even plausible. Take the 'food printing' machine, for instance: What would be the mechanism behind the arrangement of the organic molecules that make up the food? How would we go about making 'blue prints' for food? How efficient would the process be? How safe would it be for consumptipn?

Saying that 'everything is possible' and that we're not thinking outside of the box is just intellectually lazy and ignores the problems that lie ahead of us.

Your opinion, however, was dumb.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

It's a lot easier to say this in retrospect since we have a much better understanding of what it takes to accomplish getting to the moon. People back then would understandably be skeptical because they lacked what we now know about aerodynamics, astrophysics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, and many other relevant fields of science that made the moon landing possible.

So it's silly to point out how people back then wouldn't have been able to imagine what we've accomplished today, because they hadn't made the key discoveries that made something like the moon landing feasible. It's also just as dumb to say that we're thinking too much inside the box since we're approaching the question of extrasolar colonization in terms of our current capabilities. We can't assume that we'll eventually make some discovery that completely changes how we go about solving our current problems just because it's happened before. We have to be aware of and work around our current limitations first since we have no real way of predicting what sort of future discoveries will be made and how they will impact things like colonization.

This is why it's stupid to sit back and tell ourselves that we'll just find some way to get around our current obstacles without having any sort of concrete understanding of how it'd be done, because that ignores the question of whether or not it's even plausible. Take the 'food printing' machine, for instance: What would be the mechanism behind the arrangement of the organic molecules that make up the food? How would we go about making 'blue prints' for food? How efficient would the process be? How safe would it be for consumptipn?

Saying that 'everything is possible' and that we're not thinking outside of the box is just intellectually lazy and ignores the problems that lie ahead of us.

coolbeans90

Your opinion, however, was dumb.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"] Jesus Christ, the question was "Do you think humans will ever visit a planet outside of our solar system?", I don't have to write an essay about it or consider everything you're pointing out, I'm well aware of our current limitations. No it is not intellectually lazy you dumbass, I was expressing an opinion not formulating a concrete process on how to go about doing those things.nunovlopes

Your opinion, however, was dumb.

no u

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

You sir are an idiot.coolbeans90

no u

u times 1000

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

You sir are an idiot.nunovlopes

no u

u times 1000

i surrender

Jesus Christ, the question was "Do you think humans will ever visit a planet outside of our solar system?", I don't have to write an essay about it or consider everything you're pointing out, I'm well aware of our current limitations.No it is not intellectually lazy you dumbass,I was expressing an opinion not formulating a concrete process on how to go about doing those things.nunovlopes

It may be the result of extending the human lifespan, and of course, we'd need to develop a much faster method of propulsion.  I'm not going to say it's impossible, but I do think it will take a very significant period of time to put in place the necessary technology, barring a shocking discovery that suggests our current understanding of speed limitations in the universe is incorrect.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="tocool340"] Of course we can't duplicate the sun in size and mass. But I'm talking about creating something that can replicate its solar power. It could be a massive structure that can work as an enclosure for the Earth or a giant light bulb that orbits the earth for all I care. But I think time should be spent trying to figure out a way to preserve this planet rather than attempting to migrate to another before the suns time is up...tocool340

Too bad the sun is gonna swallow us when it moves into its Red Giant phase
The sun dies
Earth dies

I don't think so[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]FTL travel doesn't necessarily require infinite energy. A simple (not necessarily easy) folding of Space could theoretically enable a ship to travel Faster than the Speed of Light. It's a relatively simple process in the grand scheme of things and would not require as much energy as accelerating an object near the speed of light would be. Now are we any where close to having the technology. No. Will we someday, I imagine so yes. PernicioEnigma

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] You mean like fusion? That's already happening pretty muchchaoscougar1

Too bad the sun is gonna swallow us when it moves into its Red Giant phase
The sun dies
Earth dies

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"] Fusion is one solution I'm talking about, though creating something big enough to act as a miniature sun for our planet will be extremely difficult and would consider it a last ditch effort. But it don't have to be limited to just fusion. We got a billion years to figure out multiple way to get this planet to survive without the need of a sun. I honestly think that's more realistic than migrating to a different planet via a ship...Fightingfan

Too bad the sun is gonna swallow us when it moves into its Red Giant phase
The sun dies
Earth dies

always possible.

10% of C would mean 40 years to alpha centauri.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] You mean like fusion? That's already happening pretty muchchaoscougar1

Too bad the sun is gonna swallow us when it moves into its Red Giant phase
The sun dies
Earth dies

I wouldn't rule out scientist by then would rig up something that will get the Earth moving while providing a source that emulates the suns solar power before the sun implodes. Buuut....like I said, I'd be long dead before I could really care what they do at that time....

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"] Fusion is one solution I'm talking about, though creating something big enough to act as a miniature sun for our planet will be extremely difficult and would consider it a last ditch effort. But it don't have to be limited to just fusion. We got a billion years to figure out multiple way to get this planet to survive without the need of a sun. I honestly think that's more realistic than migrating to a different planet via a ship...tocool340

Too bad the sun is gonna swallow us when it moves into its Red Giant phase
The sun dies
Earth dies

I wouldn't rule out scientist by then would rig up something that will get the Earth moving while providing a source that emulates the suns solar power before the sun implodes. Buuut....like I said, I'd be long dead before I could really care what they do at that time....

Moving where?

Eventually?  Sure - if we don't blow ourselves up or pollute our own children before that.  We've come an incredibly long way in just the last 150 years.  Imagine where we'll be in another 150.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"] Fusion is one solution I'm talking about, though creating something big enough to act as a miniature sun for our planet will be extremely difficult and would consider it a last ditch effort. But it don't have to be limited to just fusion. We got a billion years to figure out multiple way to get this planet to survive without the need of a sun. I honestly think that's more realistic than migrating to a different planet via a ship...tocool340

Too bad the sun is gonna swallow us when it moves into its Red Giant phase
The sun dies
Earth dies

I wouldn't rule out scientist by then would rig up something that will get the Earth moving while providing a source that emulates the suns solar power before the sun implodes. Buuut....like I said, I'd be long dead before I could really care what they do at that time....

Jesus f*cking.....

*shakes head*

[QUOTE="tocool340"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

Too bad the sun is gonna swallow us when it moves into its Red Giant phase
The sun dies
Earth dies

chaoscougar1

I wouldn't rule out scientist by then would rig up something that will get the Earth moving while providing a source that emulates the suns solar power before the sun implodes. Buuut....like I said, I'd be long dead before I could really care what they do at that time....

Moving where?

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"] Well, its not gonna be my problem when that happens, I should be broken down to mere molecules by then....:P

I wouldn't rule out scientist by then would rig up something that will get the Earth moving while providing a source that emulates the suns solar power before the sun implodes. Buuut....like I said, I'd be long dead before I could really care what they do at that time....

tocool340

Moving where?

we won't be here :|

[QUOTE="tocool340"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

Too bad the sun is gonna swallow us when it moves into its Red Giant phase
The sun dies
Earth dies

worlock77

I wouldn't rule out scientist by then would rig up something that will get the Earth moving while providing a source that emulates the suns solar power before the sun implodes. Buuut....like I said, I'd be long dead before I could really care what they do at that time....

Jesus f*cking.....

*shakes head*

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

Moving where?

wis3boi

we won't be here :|

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"] Well, its not gonna be my problem when that happens, I should be broken down to mere molecules by then....:P

I wouldn't rule out scientist by then would rig up something that will get the Earth moving while providing a source that emulates the suns solar power before the sun implodes. Buuut....like I said, I'd be long dead before I could really care what they do at that time....

tocool340

Moving where?

Most likely thing is we will visit a alien system with unmanned space craft.. sSubZerOo

This is true. A hell of a lot more feasible.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

Moving where?

chaoscougar1

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

 

- you can't make a starwis3boi

Sure we can. We'll just make a huge cotton ball, send it into space, soak it in butane and light it on fire.

Genius!

We can't/won't build a sun....but we can make a dyson sphere, possibly.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

No, we were created to stay on Earth.

wis3boi

He forgot the part where humans already left earth before

Star Trek is real, so yes.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] then why did allah (rtfm) go through all that trouble of creating billions of planetsToph_Girl250

He forgot the part where humans already left earth before

[QUOTE="Toph_Girl250"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

He forgot the part where humans already left earth before

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="Toph_Girl250"]Yeah, such as The Moon. And it looks like in another 10-15 years, humans just might land on Mars too.tenaka2

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] land on any peice of rock it does not matter, it doesn't negate the fact that we were CREATED to live on Earth.

GrayF0X786

Not upset, but I do pity the poor people, that, like you are trapped in religious dogma.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

tenaka2

Not upset, but I do pity the poor people, that, like you are trapped in religious dogma.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] you upset? too bad, insulting me doesnt change anything.

GrayF0X786

Not upset, but I do pity the poor people, that, like you are trapped in religious dogma.

You are trapped. Your religion forces you to accept everything in your old book as fact. When reality shows the book to be wrong you have to deny reality.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Not upset, but I do pity the poor people, that, like you are trapped in religious dogma.

tenaka2

When reality shows the book to be wrong you have to deny reality.