Do you think humans will ever visit a planet outside of our solar system?

Once we find the Mass relays. 

CHOASXIII

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

No, we were created to stay on Earth.

gamerguru100

Maybe, but do we need to? 

Maybe, but do we need to? 

Angie7F

The sun will eventually swallow up the earth.

So yeah.....in the event that humans end up surviving that long, we'll need to find some other system to migrate to.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Wolfetan"] He's very religious too. Anyways, we will make it to another galaxy sometime. Its impossible we won't.. Humans have more than a billion years on this planet. Why WOULDN'T we expand? At the rate technology is going, couldn't see it not happening.Wolfetan

Do you realize just how long a billion years is? What makes you think humanity will be around then?

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

No, we were created to stay on Earth.

GrayF0X786

i could understand how some find it fascinating to leave the Earth some day, maybe that is because you have read too many novels, watched too many films or played too much Mass Effect, that your brain cannot accept the reality that you are on Earth and you have been preset with limitations.

but then again you can keep trying to reach the stars in a civilised sensible manner, and no i am not talking about strapping 0.0000001% of the population of the Earth to a multi billion dollar rocket to land on the moon in an uncomfortable suit only to shove a flag on the ground and tell the world anything is possible.

too late

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"] lolwis3boi

i could understand how some find it fascinating to leave the Earth some day, maybe that is because you have read too many novels, watched too many films or played too much Mass Effect, that your brain cannot accept the reality that you are on Earth and you have been preset with limitations.

but then again you can keep trying to reach the stars in a civilised sensible manner, and no i am not talking about strapping 0.0000001% of the population of the Earth to a multi billion dollar rocket to land on the moon in an uncomfortable suit only to shove a flag on the ground and tell the world anything is possible.

too late

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] yes it is funny that you are deluded and ignorant, why don't you jump, defy gravity, land on Pluto or something like that and get back to me :) no? instead you breath the in the air around you, benefit from the Sun, use your eyes to see, your ears to hear and etc, you are a fking creation, get that into your head and don't beleive the lies of materials around you,

i could understand how some find it fascinating to leave the Earth some day, maybe that is because you have read too many novels, watched too many films or played too much Mass Effect, that your brain cannot accept the reality that you are on Earth and you have been preset with limitations.

but then again you can keep trying to reach the stars in a civilised sensible manner, and no i am not talking about strapping 0.0000001% of the population of the Earth to a multi billion dollar rocket to land on the moon in an uncomfortable suit only to shove a flag on the ground and tell the world anything is possible.

GrayF0X786

too late

Yes, it doesn't make you any less of a fool.

Eventually yes but not in our lifetimesJML897

this

Eventually yes but not in our lifetimesJML897

No, personally I think the human race will cease to exist long before this ever comes close to happening.

Vari3ty

Yes, I think at some point we would as we really wouldn't have a choice if the human race wants to live on. The earth is not going to be around forever, although humans do have a long time to come up with something for travel and to find a suitable place to live.

It does not seem likely that we will find another means of travel besides via a space craft that can sustain life for an extended period of time where generations of humans can live and prosper until the destination is reached. Who knows maybe someone finds a way to get to a worm hole and we can travel through it, but as of right now we are stuck here.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

No, personally I think the human race will cease to exist long before this ever comes close to happening.

tocool340

No. We'll die before technology gets to that level. Fightingfan

Maybe convert an artficial sun into a means to travel to a different universe...

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]No. We'll die before technology gets to that level. tocool340

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]No. We'll die before technology gets to that level. tocool340

We can't/won't build a sun....but we can make a dyson sphere, possibly.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]No. We'll die before technology gets to that level. themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="tocool340"] Hm. I think humanity would benefit more from trying to create an artificial sun than trying to find another planet that we can mooch off of...tocool340

- you can't make a star

- you have 5 billion years before ours dies, humans will not be around at that point, we'll be dead or have long since evolved into countless other animal types

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well you're an idiot thenwis3boi

we'll be dead or have long since evolved into countless other animal types

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"] How so?...GrayF0X786

we'll be dead or have long since evolved into countless other animal types

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]No. We'll die before technology gets to that level. wis3boi

We can't/won't build a sun....but we can make a dyson sphere, possibly.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"] Hm. I think humanity would benefit more from trying to create an artificial sun than trying to find another planet that we can mooch off of...tocool340

We can't/won't build a sun....but we can make a dyson sphere, possibly.

Hm. I think humanity would benefit more from trying to create an artificial sun than trying to find another planet that we can mooch off of...tocool340

We can't/won't build a sun....but we can make a dyson sphere, possibly.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

We can't/won't build a sun....but we can make a dyson sphere, possibly.

themajormayor

We can't/won't build a sun....but we can make a dyson sphere, possibly.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well you're an idiot thenwis3boi

- you can't make a star

Sure we can. We'll just make a huge cotton ball, send it into space, soak it in butane and light it on fire.

You guys are thinking too much inside the box.

Imagine you told someone 500 years ago that one day we'd be able to land on the moon. Ok first you'd be burned for heresy, but getting past that I'm sure even the most prominent scientific minds would argue that the amount of energy we'd need to take off is impossible, cannot be done, and so on. Along with other impossible things they just couldn't wrap their mind around.

And you're talking about resources, lack of funds... It's absurd to think the current system (capitalism) will exist forever, maybe we move on to something else. And resources such as food, etc.? Maybe we come up with food "printers", machines that can create organic stuff from its chemical components.

Outright saying we'll all be dead is also absurd. Maybe but who knows.

Everything is possible.

You guys are thinking too much inside the box.

Imagine you told someone 500 years ago that one day we'd be able to land on the moon. Ok first you'd be burned for heresy, but getting past that I'm sure even the most prominent scientific minds would argue that the amount of energy we'd need to take off is impossible, cannot be done, and so on. Along with other impossible things they just couldn't wrap their mind around.

And you're talking about resources, lack of funds... It's absurd to think the current system (capitalism) will exist forever, maybe we move on to something else. And resources such as food, etc.? Maybe we come up with food "printers", machines that can create organic stuff from its chemical components.

Outright saying we'll all be dead is also absurd. Maybe but who knows.

Everything is possible.

nunovlopes

And 500 years ago people thought the Sun revolved around the Earth. We have a bit better understanding of physics now (including its limitations). Impossible? Perhaps not. Unlikely? Extremely. Sure it's cool to dream about travelling to other solar systems (or even other galaxies), but to deny the realities of the obstacles in our path is just silly.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="tocool340"] How so?...worlock77

- you can't make a star

Sure we can. We'll just make a huge cotton ball, send it into space, soak it in butane and light it on fire.

Genius!

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

 

- you can't make a starwis3boi

Sure we can. We'll just make a huge cotton ball, send it into space, soak it in butane and light it on fire.

Genius!

I have my moments.

Well Project Orion in the 1960s theorized nuclear bomb powered space craft that would need between 100 and 1000 years to reach Alpha Centauri, ofcourse all of this was theoretical, but it had alot of weight behind it, it wasn't just blabbering by some lunatic. So generally if something along the lines of the Project Orion craft was built today, it could reach Alpha Centauri in about 2 human life times.

But why would you do this? To reach Alpha Centauri the ship would have to be massive, the Super Orion craft proposed would have a mass of 8 million tonnes with 1080 3000 tonne nuclear bombs. This would allow the craft to house the necessary supplies and also give the voyagers enough comfort.

Also the first crew, who would probably be along the lines of 20-30 years old would spend their entire life aboard the vessel, would have to raise families, and some 2 or 3 generations would never even set foot on solid ground, while another 2 or 3 would be incredibly old by the time Alpha Centauri is reached. And once Alpha Centauri is reached, what will you do there? There is a slight chance that one planet is actually Earth-like, but again, slight chance. If there is nothing there a gigantic ammount of resources will be wasted and thousands of people will die in vain practically.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

You guys are thinking too much inside the box.

Imagine you told someone 500 years ago that one day we'd be able to land on the moon. Ok first you'd be burned for heresy, but getting past that I'm sure even the most prominent scientific minds would argue that the amount of energy we'd need to take off is impossible, cannot be done, and so on. Along with other impossible things they just couldn't wrap their mind around.

And you're talking about resources, lack of funds... It's absurd to think the current system (capitalism) will exist forever, maybe we move on to something else. And resources such as food, etc.? Maybe we come up with food "printers", machines that can create organic stuff from its chemical components.

Outright saying we'll all be dead is also absurd. Maybe but who knows.

Everything is possible.

worlock77

And 500 years ago people thought the Sun revolved around the Earth. We have a bit better understanding of physics now (including its limitations). Impossible? Perhaps not. Unlikely? Extremely. Sure it's cool to dream about travelling to other solar systems (or even other galaxies), but to deny the realities of the obstacles in our path is just silly.

No we don't. Not at a really large scale at least. I mean sure we know much more now about how the world works but in the grand scheme of things we know nothing. I'm not denying anything, I just think people think too much inside the box.

A small version of the sun could give us the limitless power we seek. How has the work on building self sustaining fusion been going? I mean they have to use that giant particle smasher for something right?

A small version of the sun could give us the limitless power we seek. How has the work on building self sustaining fusion been going? I mean they have to use that giant particle smasher for something right?

Yusuke420

You guys are thinking too much inside the box.

Imagine you told someone 500 years ago that one day we'd be able to land on the moon. Ok first you'd be burned for heresy, but getting past that I'm sure even the most prominent scientific minds would argue that the amount of energy we'd need to take off is impossible, cannot be done, and so on. Along with other impossible things they just couldn't wrap their mind around.

And you're talking about resources, lack of funds... It's absurd to think the current system (capitalism) will exist forever, maybe we move on to something else. And resources such as food, etc.? Maybe we come up with food "printers", machines that can create organic stuff from its chemical components.

Outright saying we'll all be dead is also absurd. Maybe but who knows.

Everything is possible.

nunovlopes

It's a lot easier to say this in retrospect since we have a much better understanding of what it takes to accomplish getting to the moon. People back then would understandably be skeptical because they lacked what we now know about aerodynamics, astrophysics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, and many other relevant fields of science that made the moon landing possible.

So it's silly to point out how people back then wouldn't have been able to imagine what we've accomplished today, because they hadn't made the key discoveries that made something like the moon landing feasible. It's also just as dumb to say that we're thinking too much inside the box since we're approaching the question of extrasolar colonization in terms of our current capabilities. We can't assume that we'll eventually make some discovery that completely changes how we go about solving our current problems just because it's happened before. We have to be aware of and work around our current limitations first since we have no real way of predicting what sort of future discoveries will be made and how they will impact things like colonization.

This is why it's stupid to sit back and tell ourselves that we'll just find some way to get around our current obstacles without having any sort of concrete understanding of how it'd be done, because that ignores the question of whether or not it's even plausible. Take the 'food printing' machine, for instance: What would be the mechanism behind the arrangement of the organic molecules that make up the food? How would we go about making 'blue prints' for food? How efficient would the process be? How safe would it be for consumptipn?

Saying that 'everything is possible' and that we're not thinking outside of the box is just intellectually lazy and ignores the problems that lie ahead of us.

I have a few thoughts on it.

First of all, it'll be several hundred years before we could conjure up the resources (not to mention energy - DEAR FVCKING JESUS CHRIST -- the thing would be MASSIVE AND REQUIRE SEEMINGLY INFINITE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY) to send a multi-generational vessel travelling under the speed of light (because that is probably the way things are going to go down) to a solar system with other (habitable) planets. It'll be a weird social experiment, too (though it could be tested beforehand, but that'd be weird). Even then there are problems with things like space dust, could easily wreck the entire endeavor (heard a proposed solution, not sure how practical it is, however).

My thoughts are a big: maybe, but, like planet terraforming, it's so far off in the future that commenting on when or how would be silly.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

You guys are thinking too much inside the box.

Imagine you told someone 500 years ago that one day we'd be able to land on the moon. Ok first you'd be burned for heresy, but getting past that I'm sure even the most prominent scientific minds would argue that the amount of energy we'd need to take off is impossible, cannot be done, and so on. Along with other impossible things they just couldn't wrap their mind around.

And you're talking about resources, lack of funds... It's absurd to think the current system (capitalism) will exist forever, maybe we move on to something else. And resources such as food, etc.? Maybe we come up with food "printers", machines that can create organic stuff from its chemical components.

Outright saying we'll all be dead is also absurd. Maybe but who knows.

Everything is possible.

Blood-Scribe

It's a lot easier to say this in retrospect since we have a much better understanding of what it takes to accomplish getting to the moon. People back then would understandably be skeptical because they lacked what we now know about aerodynamics, astrophysics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, and many other relevant fields of science that made the moon landing possible.

So it's silly to point out how people back then wouldn't have been able to imagine what we've accomplished today, because they hadn't made the key discoveries that made something like the moon landing feasible. It's also just as dumb to say that we're thinking too much inside the box since we're approaching the question of extrasolar colonization in terms of our current capabilities. We can't assume that we'll eventually make some discovery that completely changes how we go about solving our current problems just because it's happened before. We have to be aware of and work around our current limitations first since we have no real way of predicting what sort of future discoveries will be made and how they will impact things like colonization.

This is why it's stupid to sit back and tell ourselves that we'll just find some way to get around our current obstacles without having any sort of concrete understanding of how it'd be done, because that ignores the question of whether or not it's even plausible. Take the 'food printing' machine, for instance: What would be the mechanism behind the arrangement of the organic molecules that make up the food? How would we go about making 'blue prints' for food? How efficient would the process be? How safe would it be for consumptipn?

Saying that 'everything is possible' and that we're not thinking outside of the box is just intellectually lazy and ignores the problems that lie ahead of us.

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No, we were created to stay on Earth.

GrayF0X786

RAW ingredients carried to Earth by meteorites may have been the seed of life on our planet, according to evidence revealed yesterday by NASA.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/life-came-from-outer-space-says-nasa/story-e6frg6so-1225991941243

Maybe one day but we won't be alive to see it :(

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

You guys are thinking too much inside the box.

Imagine you told someone 500 years ago that one day we'd be able to land on the moon. Ok first you'd be burned for heresy, but getting past that I'm sure even the most prominent scientific minds would argue that the amount of energy we'd need to take off is impossible, cannot be done, and so on. Along with other impossible things they just couldn't wrap their mind around.

And you're talking about resources, lack of funds... It's absurd to think the current system (capitalism) will exist forever, maybe we move on to something else. And resources such as food, etc.? Maybe we come up with food "printers", machines that can create organic stuff from its chemical components.

Outright saying we'll all be dead is also absurd. Maybe but who knows.

Everything is possible.

Blood-Scribe

It's a lot easier to say this in retrospect since we have a much better understanding of what it takes to accomplish getting to the moon. People back then would understandably be skeptical because they lacked what we now know about aerodynamics, astrophysics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics, and many other relevant fields of science that made the moon landing possible.

So it's silly to point out how people back then wouldn't have been able to imagine what we've accomplished today, because they hadn't made the key discoveries that made something like the moon landing feasible. It's also just as dumb to say that we're thinking too much inside the box since we're approaching the question of extrasolar colonization in terms of our current capabilities. We can't assume that we'll eventually make some discovery that completely changes how we go about solving our current problems just because it's happened before. We have to be aware of and work around our current limitations first since we have no real way of predicting what sort of future discoveries will be made and how they will impact things like colonization.

This is why it's stupid to sit back and tell ourselves that we'll just find some way to get around our current obstacles without having any sort of concrete understanding of how it'd be done, because that ignores the question of whether or not it's even plausible. Take the 'food printing' machine, for instance: What would be the mechanism behind the arrangement of the organic molecules that make up the food? How would we go about making 'blue prints' for food? How efficient would the process be? How safe would it be for consumptipn?

Saying that 'everything is possible' and that we're not thinking outside of the box is just intellectually lazy and ignores the problems that lie ahead of us.

This is a much, much better version of what I was more or less trying to say.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

No, we were created to stay on Earth.

Riverwolf007

RAW ingredients carried to Earth by meteorites may have been the seed of life on our planet, according to evidence revealed yesterday by NASA.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/life-came-from-outer-space-says-nasa/story-e6frg6so-1225991941243

Qu'ran 57:25

The faster something goes, the more thrust is required to propel it faster, and it's exponential.  It's too much energy.  We won't be able to go as fast as light, but wormholes are probably more likely form of travel

The faster something goes, the more thrust is required to propel it faster, and it's exponential.  It's too much energy.  We won't be able to go as fast as light, but wormholes are probably more likely form of travel

GOGOGOGURT

You don't need lightspeed to leave the system

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

The faster something goes, the more thrust is required to propel it faster, and it's exponential.  It's too much energy.  We won't be able to go as fast as light, but wormholes are probably more likely form of travel

wis3boi

You don't need lightspeed to leave the system

He didn't say that it did.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

No, we were created to stay on Earth.

GrayF0X786

RAW ingredients carried to Earth by meteorites may have been the seed of life on our planet, according to evidence revealed yesterday by NASA.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/life-came-from-outer-space-says-nasa/story-e6frg6so-1225991941243

Qu'ran 57:25

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

The faster something goes, the more thrust is required to propel it faster, and it's exponential.  It's too much energy.  We won't be able to go as fast as light, but wormholes are probably more likely form of travel

wis3boi

You don't need lightspeed to leave the system

You're right.  And besides, even if we could travel lightspeed, we would still be pretty slow.  Way too slow.