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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@locopatho said:

@FireEmblem_Man: Galaxy's art style was gorgeous but technically, no, something Ninja Gaiden Black was never beaten by any Wii game. Took until WiiU to beat the Xbox/PS2 gen. Still haven't seen a Switch game to beat Crysis/Gears/Uncharted series from the X360/PS3 gen, though I'm sure it'll happen. Just lets not pretend there's any point hyping/waiting/hoping for Nintendo to catch up with the systems of a decade ago.

Okay, so why does it matter to you on graphics? The OG Xbox didn't outsell the PS2 or GC after the life was cut short. Why does it matter if the Switch doesn't have a game that can beat Crysis? No game console can run Crysis in 1080p 60 FPS

MS wanted progressive lower price chipset from NVIDIA as process tech matures over time.

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@tjandmia said:

@rnnval: Not bad at all. Saw the Minecraft version today at BB. It was the white console. Don't know if S model or not.

Xbox One S's 4K UHD Blu-ray player/HDMI 2.0 function is already slightly obsolete with Scorpio's 4K UHD Blu-ray player/HDMI 2.1 function.

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#3  Edited By rnnval
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@tjandmia: XBO S has $249 USD price tag and it doubles as 4K UHD-Blu-ray player.

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https://www.lifewire.com/stream-pc-games-to-your-android-3961112

I use Moonlight app to stream PC games from desktop PCs to mobile devices.

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#5  Edited By rnnval
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@appariti0n said:

@rnnval: Yes, totally something wrong with me. I lose sleep at night over missing speedometers and missing light pass effects.

Did you know that gum stays in your belly for like 10 years?

I posted a comment that supports DF's POV that relates to DF's comment on "4K assets". It's your problem with being stupid on PC hardware basics.

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#6  Edited By rnnval
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@manticored: Oh man. I replied once to Ron with a quote I read off the bottlecap from a snapple beverage. It was something to do with Hummingbirds. The next time, a quote from Saturday night live's "Deep thoughts by Jack Handey".

In both cases he responded the exact same. about 10 pages worth of charts, arguments, GPU die sizes etc. Like seriously wtf is with this guy?

Present a better argument with proper source information backing not just empty rhetoric.

Given similar GPU tech generation, the larger GPU size with higher effective memory bandwidth has the higher grade PC GPU SKU.

OMG LOL. You created an alt to post yet another nonsensical reply that has nothing to do with anything I was talking about?

This is absolute gold. I gotta bookmark this.

Your post is nonsensical.

This topic is about discrediting DF and TC has mentioned DF's "4K assets" comment and recent DF comment on "4K assets" refers to DF's Scorpio reveal.

I posted an argument that supports DF's POV that relates to DF comment on "4K assets".

Missing speedometer is minor when compared to missing light pass effects which actually affected the cockpit's lighting.

If missing speedometer issue is a bigger deal over missing light pass effects, then there's something wrong with you.

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@appariti0n said:

@manticored: Oh man. I replied once to Ron with a quote I read off the bottlecap from a snapple beverage. It was something to do with Hummingbirds. The next time, a quote from Saturday night live's "Deep thoughts by Jack Handey".

In both cases he responded the exact same. about 10 pages worth of charts, arguments, GPU die sizes etc. Like seriously wtf is with this guy?

Present a better argument with proper source information backing not just empty rhetoric.

Given similar GPU tech generation, the larger GPU size with higher effective memory bandwidth has the higher grade PC GPU SKU.

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#8  Edited By rnnval
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@tormentos said:
@ronvalencia said:

Your argument is simple. A personality war!

Well, I can play the same game.

1. Missing the full Vega IP blocks doesn't materially change the result i.e. GTX 1070/R9-FuryX dropping bellow 60 fps and sustained on Scorpio.

Haven't you notice my comments for 2X R9-580 256 GB/s ~= Vega 10's 512 GB/s which lands RX-Vega into GP102 class range.

2. Missing the full Vega IP blocks doesn't materially change the result.

3. Scorpio *is* something else from PS4 Pro e.g. Scorpio has 40 active CU with faster 1172 Mhz clock speed over PS4 Pro's 36 active CU at 911 Mhz.

4. Part of Scorpio's optimizations are from Vega and it shows from it's superior results over RX-480/RX-580/R9-390X.

5. Wrong. Phil Spencer has identified existing AMD GPU problems and has pushed AMD to fix these hardware bottlenecks. The main goal for Scorpio is to run existing XBO 3D engines to 4K and to make it efficient with it's 6 TFLOPS.

6. You are questioning DF's credibility while removing Scorpio's significant bandwidth increase i.e "it's just RX-480" argument.

Plenty multi-layer near full screen semi-transparent effects are very taxing on any GPUs.

I doubled checked DF's claims with Battlefield 1, F1 2016 and FarCry Primal and I made sure it's RX-480/RX-580's results are memory bandwidth bottle-necked with R9-290's 4.8 TFLOPS being the reference point.

You even argued large very CPU memory bandwidth allocation for Scorpio while minimized PS4 Pro's CPU memory bandwidth allocation.

7. Stop being a hypocrite. Games like Witcher 3 and SF5 delivers similar results for PS4 and R7-265.

8. That's a shit post.

30 GB/s cache coherency is not a static memory bandwidth allocation. 30 GB/s cache coherency = the machine can track 30 GB/s worth of data changes before data corruption occurs. Beyond 30 GB/s data changes, the programmer must mark a memory location as cache incoherent which tell the cache coherency hardware to not track a particular memory location.

AMD APUs doesn't have fix CPU and GPU bandwidth allocation i.e. it's dynamic bandwidth allocation. A static memory bandwidth allocation is 1985 Amiga style CPU/IGP architecture and it's dead along time ago.

You failed at AMD's cache/DMA snoop function. DMA client device ask cache coherency tracker if memory page is being stored in CPU's cache and check if that cache data element has dirty/change state.

If cache coherency tracker answer is false(data element not in cache), DMA client device gets data from main memory.

If cache coherency tracker answer is true (data element stored in cache), DMA client device gets data from CPU' cache. At this point, Fusion link transfers data element from CPU's cache to DMA client device.

You failed at AMD's cache write back policy function i.e. only write dirty/change state data back to memory when evicted from CPU cache.

After dirty/change state data are write back to main memory, cache coherency tracker's table will be updated i.e. data element not stored in CPU cache.

You think AMD are noobs and has designed 1985 Amiga architecture. LOL.

9. Irreverent. Calling somebody a lem doesn't AMD PC APU facts.

10. DDR1? WTF?? PS4's 10 GB/s main memory for the CPU example is DDR2 range. Sony's CPU main memory allocation doesn't include memory bandwidth from fusion links e.g. 10 GB/s for main memory and 10 GB/s for fusion. Without fusion links, 20 GB/s is DDR3 range.

64bit DDR-400 = 3.2 GB/s

128bit DDR-400 = 6.4 GB/s

You don't know shit.

Is not a personality war is a war against your bullshit and misinterpretation of things,in this case you use APU size,Phil Spencer words and other out of logic arguments to claim Vega,Ryzen and FP16,they were your desire for Scorpio to be something completely different to pro and it fail.

1-Yes it does because Jaguar and even Puma are bullshit performance wise vs Ryzen which would should take that GPU further than any of those 2,DF make test with i7 and sites do test and benchmark with i7 because of a reason they drive GPU further than anything AMD had before Ryzen.

2-WTF so now you want to argue that POLARIS and VEGA have the same performance per clock and CU.? WTF man see this @delta3074 this is what i mean he has MONTHS hyping Vega to the freaking moon,Vega this Vega that not only downplaying Polaris over Vega and now all of the sudden it doesn't matter that is not Vega because HE claims it doesn't change the results..

^^^ This a TRUE HYPOCRITE and liar i was going to continue to reply to you,but it is obvious that you lack the backbone even to admit that you simple were wrong,you have months hyping vega over polaris and now all of the sudden you claim it doesn't change the results because it is not vega..

You are without a doubt the worse MS fanboy this site has ever seen..

There is no point in continuing arguing with a person who not only can't admit being wrong but also that change all its arguments in 1 months just to try to win an argument.

NO vega

NO Ryzen

NO FP16... You were wrong and Scorpio by your own words is a recycle APU..hahahahaa

1. Too bad for you, Scorpio's Forza demo with GTX 1070/Fury X class results has shown your arguments to be red herrings. CPU's GPU command list threads wouldn't be a problem for Scorpio. Just don't expect PC's Total War scaled games on Scorpio.

At 4K resolution and DX12 game console ports, GTX 1070/GTX 980 Ti class GPU bottlenecks high clock speed Core i7 i.e. low CPU usage from task manager. I have the machines to prove it.

As long my existing CPUs delivers high frame rate with higher grade GPUs, the bottleneck is the GPU not the CPU. My machine with i7-4770K CPU has evolved from R9-290X to GTX 980 Ti to GTX 1080 Ti with each GPU upgrade delivers faster frame rates.

Scorpio is not running PC game benchmarks with 144 fps at 1440p resolution.

I told you Scorpio's GPU solution is greater than R9-390X OC and RX-480 OC, and Forza 6 demo shows Scorpio's superiority over the older GPUs.

2. In general, RX Vega's primary 512 GB/s memory bandwidth is expected to be ~2X RX-580's 256 GB/s which lands around Titan X Pascal class GPU. The hype with RX Vega is to bring it closer to NVIDIA's GPU efficiency and increase market place competition. Effective memory bandwidth is the conduit size for TMUs which feeds shader ALUs.

Scorpio's Forza 6 demo with GTX 1070/Fury X class results with up to 326 GB/s physical memory bandwidth shows Maxwell v2 class efficiency.

Your "No Ryzen" and "No Vega" arguments are red herrings to Scorpio's results superiority over R9-390X OC and RX-480 OC.

On paper, brute force power from HIS R9-390X OC (6 TFLOPS) and efficiency improvements from Polaris and parts of Vega is a superior product over R9-390X OC and RX-480 OC and Scorpio's Forza demo has shown the practical results.

PS4's Witcher 3, Battlefront and SF5 results are similar to R7-265 with higher grade CPU. The double standards comes from you.