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#1 peacebringer
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I love WOW and i have no life to ruin, so i love the game. All games are like crack some you get bored of, WOW maybe take up all your gaming time so you won't buy games. The games is very well made.

You can't Find an MMO like this on a console. So if you don't like it it's understandable, the game needs alot of your time and is to hard for 2 year olds.

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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]

It's not just the offense, which is a valid point. Execution is the most important part, but you can't even get to that if you don't even know how to run each play. As a rookie, it takes you a lot longer to learn a NFL playbook than a vet, so they sit for awhile until they have it down.

After that is the part where you throw him out there too soon. The guy is out of College, most times playing in a good team, so not used to a pass rush. He comes in and if you throw him to the wolves, he'll get hit 10 times harder and 10 times more than he did in college. He'll have 1/10th the time he had in college. All that contributes to a young guy losing confidence. He'll get flustered in the pocket easily in his career, throw off his back foot, throw it too soon. Stuff like that. That's what happened to Carr and Couch.

This approach worked well with Palmer and Pennington. For some QBs, it does, for some it doesn't. There's no right way and there's no what if b/c you only get one shot. That's why QBs are the riskiest position in football. There's just as many if not more 1st round QB busts as there are booms.

PS: Also when you start a rookie from day 1, you're effectively telling the vets that you've given up on the season before it even began. You simply can't run a team that way.

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thats not true about vets thinking seasons over when a rookie comes in. Rothlisberger Playoffs year 1 Suber bowl year 2. A QB who didn't start his first year and plays his first game in year 2 will still get flustered in the pocket easily in his career, throw off his back foot, throw it too soon. These are all things they would learn if they play games siting on the sideline does nothing to help there Mechanics, Ask a rookie QB what he thinks is best for him and majority of the time he'll say play because he knows the only way he's gonna get good is with real time practice. These so many losy Qb's in the NFl and most them had to sit there first year. Peyton Played his first year he played like crap but trust me had they sat him all season it would have took him longer to develope. I Think more coaches need to realize not playing is hurting there rookie QB's.

1) Roethlisberger is an anamoly. Most starting QBs are horrible in their rookie season. Starting them usually means you're giving up on the season and focusing on the future.

What I'm saying is there's no right way to tell what's the better way. You just said starting Peyton was the best way to develop him. I can't argue that b/c well..look how he turned out and I don't know how he would turn out if he sat. But you can look at it from the other side. Palmer, he sat and later became one of the best QBs in the league. If the Bengals had to do it again, would they start Palmer immediately? Should they? The sitting method resulted in the complete turnaround of their franchise and just like the Peyton situation, you can't say starting him would've been better b/c you don't know.

My point: Both methods have success and failure stories. There's no way to tell which one is the best way for a QB.

Sorry your wrong Palmer is pure potential he's not there yet, had they started him earlier maybe he would be more developed he did have to miss alot of games do to injury and thats another thing what if in year 2 they get hurt, it will be till year 3 that they actually get playing time and thats not enough, some of the best QB's surprise people when they come in. Had i drafted Jamarcus or Brady they would be playing already and maybe would be much better for it next year, Clevelands or Oaklands not winning anything this year so why not?
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It's not just the offense, which is a valid point. Execution is the most important part, but you can't even get to that if you don't even know how to run each play. As a rookie, it takes you a lot longer to learn a NFL playbook than a vet, so they sit for awhile until they have it down.

After that is the part where you throw him out there too soon. The guy is out of College, most times playing in a good team, so not used to a pass rush. He comes in and if you throw him to the wolves, he'll get hit 10 times harder and 10 times more than he did in college. He'll have 1/10th the time he had in college. All that contributes to a young guy losing confidence. He'll get flustered in the pocket easily in his career, throw off his back foot, throw it too soon. Stuff like that. That's what happened to Carr and Couch.

This approach worked well with Palmer and Pennington. For some QBs, it does, for some it doesn't. There's no right way and there's no what if b/c you only get one shot. That's why QBs are the riskiest position in football. There's just as many if not more 1st round QB busts as there are booms.

PS: Also when you start a rookie from day 1, you're effectively telling the vets that you've given up on the season before it even began. You simply can't run a team that way.

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thats not true about vets thinking seasons over when a rookie comes in. Rothlisberger Playoffs year 1 Suber bowl year 2. A QB who didn't start his first year and plays his first game in year 2 will still get flustered in the pocket easily in his career, throw off his back foot, throw it too soon. These are all things they would learn if they play games siting on the sideline does nothing to help there Mechanics, Ask a rookie QB what he thinks is best for him and majority of the time he'll say play because he knows the only way he's gonna get good is with real time practice. These so many losy Qb's in the NFl and most them had to sit there first year. Peyton Played his first year he played like crap but trust me had they sat him all season it would have took him longer to develope. I Think more coaches need to realize not playing is hurting there rookie QB's.
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#4 peacebringer
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Rather have a rookie QB sit and learn. McNair did that years ago with the Titans(might been Oilers when he came in I forget)and was a good QB for them for that. Some are good enough mentally and physically(increased games from college with stronger opposition)to handle it, most are not. Rather see a QB watch for a year, with some can come in midway to end of season to get the reps. Russells time should be now. Quinns time is not as Anderson is doing a fine job as the starter.mrgab
I agree that Anderson should keep playing thats for sure, i am saying they should have just started Quin in day one because he needs more reps to learn thats a fact. It doesn't take the whole season to learn from the sideline around week 8 a rookies set but by then the starters too deep into the season for a switch. I'm just saying they need to stop holding these guys, just throw them to the fire and i think there be better QB's,
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[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]

I agree with you man. I hate when people are trying to make this a race issue.

Sean Taylor made some bad decisions in his life, definitely, but that doesn't mean he was a bad guy or a "thug". Simply an immature kid that did some stupid things at the time. The man was killed in his own home, protecting his girl & his daughter. Not in some strip club or on a street corner. This "Hung out with the wrong crowd" thing can go out the window till we actually know if the man that killed Sean was an aquaintance of his, because that accusation has no weight at this point.

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nope it is a race issue. you won't see no white football player have troubles like this cause they have never associated with people like this, not because they didn't want to just cause of where there from and where they lived. Before the killers were named what did people say? It was black on black crime, this without any evidence out, how did the media know this? Cause it is about race. People need to grow up thats fure sure and you 2 can start by opening your eyes.

I was actually surprised Sean lived in Miami cause he players for Washington what does that tell you? His sister still hung out with the wrong crowd? And until last year he was hanging with the same people. I feel bad for Sean but i feel worse for The younger generation because they seem to be heading in the wrong direction. acting like gansgters robbing people for no reason these losers need to find a job.

Sadly if was a football player and my sister threw big partys and invite people from the hood she hardly knew in my house, i think she would fall into the wrong crowd. Sometimes even siblings can be the wrong crown(MIchael Vick is going to jail with his uncle)I Would make sure my sister did he bzness in her house not mine. So you might think Family doesn't fall under wrong crowd but it does.

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#6 peacebringer
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So those black guys on TV are wrong and you are right? It doesn't surprise me that a Player from a thug backround wether guilty in court or not got shot, His sister threw a Part for the whole Ghetto in Miami and that ended up being why people found out about his house and his wealth. Will Tom Brady Or Tony Romo let there Sisters throw a party for thugs and wangsters. Don't tell me there was no thugs or Wangsters in the Party cause one of thems in jail for killer Sean Taylor. You have to be careful who you associate with and who you brag too. If i was a football player like Sean Taylor i would have lived in Washington, D.C but thats just me. the Ghetto doesn't want you anymore after you make more than Amillion, if you come back you know they gonna rob you if they can, so he needed to move to Washington to avoid those kinda people. Sure there might be thugs and gangsters in D.C but they don't know taylor or were he lives, his sister should feel like **** cause i know if i threw a party and invited people who later would rob my brother and kill him i would be devistated. this whole Fisasco is Ignorance. To kids under 18, why can't they just get a job? and why bring a gun Of they had no plans to harm anyone? it's all bull**** i hope they burn those Kids as an example for every other 15-18 who thinks having a gun and being a wangster is cool. I really am gonna get my popcorn ready when they fry those bastards.
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I have to disagree with the whole "give them time to learn the offense" knowing the offense on paper means nothing on the field if you can't execute. Bill Parcels was desperate last year with Bledsoe and put in Tony Romo after saying earlier in the year he didn't feel confident in him. What my point is these Qb's best time to play football is by playing, sitting Jamarcus Russel and Brady Quin is Idiotic. If you don't have a solid QB and drafted a Rookie QB start him and go game to game. Ben Rothlisberger lead his team to the Playoffs his first 2 years in the league. If Jamarcus and Brady are your future you need to start them in week 1 cause next year don't hold your breath cause they still have to learn to avoid a Pass Rush and throw inbetween windows, something they won't learn this year.

Why take 2 years to do something you can do in 1? Oaklands not making the playoffs Even though Clevlands doing good whos to say if they started Brady in week 1 they might have been a better team. Look what Rothlisberger did when Maddox got injured in his first year.

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#8 peacebringer
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I rather have Moss. Owens drops the ball alot. Moss is a dream WR with his speed and height and Key Hands. Everyone drops balls but Moss drops much less and most the time it's like Velcro. But with that said both recievers are in differant category, Moss is about long deep balls and over the defense head type catchs and T.O is a Middle of the field kinda reciver. Inside the number he's hard to tackle and has great Vision and has enough YAC to stuff a Million Turkeys. Stats don't mean Jack and don't come close to showing the differance between these to Phenominal recivers. T.O can't play everywhere and We'll see if the Cowboys start losing if he'll still even be on the team.
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A reviewer should never, NEVER be let go because of a review. Sure, I hated Jeff after the whole Twilight Princess thing, but after beating the game, I, along with many, realized his review was accurate. Jeff was probably the best reviewer on Gamespot, and he wasn't afraid to give a game what it deserved. So now what are we supposed to believe? After this whole thing, I've realized that many game's reviews most likely aren't actually what the reviewer thinks; there could be so much more to it, such as the advertising on this site and paying for higher reviews.

And Eidos:

I will NEVER, ever buy a single game from you again. How about instead of crying about how bad your game suks, you could *gasp* make a good game? I know, crazy, isn't it? You're company will never be respected from many people now, including me.

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Example Halo 3. I doubt if they let them actually review it they would have gave it a 9.5
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#10 peacebringer
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Games are fun and GS has been really hard on games and i feel they are acting to snobish with the games. Maybe toi the majority of people who play K&L it will be a A or AA game but you give it to people who have a Snobish additude and give it a lower score. I agree with jeffs firing and i think GS should start firing more people if they keep acting like there reviews have to be lower than the other websites. Sorry jeff you should had lightened up on the game(and Zelda TP and Metroid) Sometimes these reviews play games for so long they forget whats it's like to play only 1 game a year and some kids and young people buy 1 game a year. GS needs to start using 2 or more people to review 1 persons opinions is not very smart.