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@mapulaproasta Yeah, Forza has 500 fully rendered and detailed cars. Gran Turismo has 400 and 800 semi detailed cars, with most of them being holdovers from the PS2. Forza has Quality and Quantity.


Forza 4 shipped with 500 cars out of the box. So...none of the ones I'm talking about were DLC.


GT is rehashing cars from nearly a decade and an entire generation ago. Forza 4 carried over some cars from Forza 3 that were built from the ground up for that game. Wow, a whole two years between them. Stop the presses.

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@mapulaproasta dude, there are threads on GTPlanet of all places talking about how much better Forza's physics are than Gran Turismo's. But I'll give you the short version. Here's a list of the things Gran Turismo doesn't do right but Forza does.


Suspension modeling, Tire physics, grip progression (you either have grip or you don't in GT, not realistic) mechanical damage (accidents happen in real life but GT drones somehow think it's okay to ping off a barrier at 100MPH and drive away like nothing happened) fine tuning adjustments to suspension, toe and camber, lift-off oversteer and finally, torque steer.


Try it for yourself in Gran Turismo 5 and 6. Take a Corvette ZR1 or some other high powered RWD car onto a level track and gun it from a standstill without touching the wheel. In both of those games, the car will launch perfectly straight, no matter what. In Forza (like real life) it will fishtail wildly to one side.


But yeah, GT is sooo realistic. Give me a break.


Forza's AI is well documented as being vastly superior to Gran Turismo's. Hell, this review alone talks about how bad GT's AI is.


Forza does render the backs of cars, it just doesn't let you see them when you look back in cockpit view. That's a design choice. Forza's cars are fully detailed, inside and out.


Oh, Gran Turismo 6 has the Ferrari F12 Berlinetta F40 Competizione, F50 GT, and F50 now? How about the Mercedes-Benz SLR Stirling Moss and SL65 AMG? What about the Audi R15 TDI or the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport? What about the Pagani Zonda Cinque or Zonda R? Or the Aston Martin DBS or Virage? What about any car from the Porsche brand? It may be DLC but at least Forza still has it.


Right, it doesn't have any of those. But yeah, Gran Turismo has the same cars Forza does. You keep thinking that.

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@mapulaproasta I own and have played the crap out of Gran Turismo 5 and I plan to get GT6 when it drops in price so take your accusations of bias elsewhere. I've played the competition and I think Forza 4 is the best racing sim on a console because quality is more important than quantity.

But fine, you got me, they don't allow you to look out of the back of the car. That much is true. It's still rendered. You just can't see it in cockpit view.

And whatever dude. 500+ cars in Forza Motorsport with interiors is better than, what, 400 in GT6? It shows that Turn 10 gives a crap about producing quality rather than just throwing in a bunch of older cars, cleaning them up a bit and calling it a day.

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@BH14 So, are you on Sony's payroll or something? Because this constant harping on how Drive Club is going to be the best racing sim ever (which is especially weird considering Drive Club isn't going to be a sim) sounds like marketing drivel to me.

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@mapulaproasta Forza Motorsport 4 has over 500 cars and there are dozens of current vehicles that Forza has that Gran Turismo doesn't, including but not limited to somewhere around 30 Porsches. And every single car in Forza Motorsport has been fully detailed and includes an interior, something Gran Turismo cannot say.


But whatever, have fun racing 50 versions of a Nissan Skyline and all those crappy vehicles from Daihatsu and other PS2 cars from nearly a decade ago. I appreciate a more current lineup of cars that Forza gives me.


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Forza 4 has better physics, better AI, damage modeling, a proper upgrade system, every car is fully detailed including cockpits, it has a better variety of cars and less redundant cars like Gran Turismo's 50 Skylines, 30 Lancer Evolutions and 20 something Civics, has more up to date cars like the Audi R18, Ferrari F12 Berlinetta, among others, a wider selection of cars people actually want to drive like Lamborghinis, Mercedes-Benzes, Ferraris, and Porsches, a better career mode, more multiplayer options, a more stable framerate, more detailed tracks, no screen tearing unlike GT6 and much more.

Forza 5 was disappointing in its lack of content but on last gen consoles, Forza Motorsport 4 is far better than GT6.

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Keep your sales. I'll take having the better simulator and better variety of cars in Forza 4.

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U mad bro?

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@Dr_takapotku What are you talking about? What does that have to do with what I said? If you're talking about the actual racing physics, umm, no, cars in Gran Turismo do not perform exactly as they would in real life. Gran Turismo's physics are far from "lifelike".

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@cronjob01 You come up with the most delightful excuses for Polyphony Digital sitting on its hands all these years. Who said I want to take my car to a track and see how many people want to hit me in the real world? What does that have to do with anything? What part of the word "accident" do you not understand? Besides, in Forza, I can turn the mechanical damage off if I don't feel like dealing with it. You can't turn damage modeling on in Gran Turismo when you actually feel like stepping up to a higher challenge.