@mapulaproasta Yeah, Forza has 500 fully rendered and detailed cars. Gran Turismo has 400 and 800 semi detailed cars, with most of them being holdovers from the PS2. Forza has Quality and Quantity. Forza 4 shipped with 500 cars out of the box. So...none of the ones I'm talking about were DLC. GT is rehashing cars from nearly a decade and an entire generation ago. Forza 4 carried over some cars from Forza 3 that were built from the ground up for that game. Wow, a whole two years between them. Stop the presses.