That Feds thing was a joke...right:question:irmeleeman5995

I hope so. If it wasn't ... stupid thing to say on the internet.

It's not that officers shouldn't get duties, it's just that there is no guarantee that they will fulfill them. The fact that there are eight duties for eight officers is already gambling.iloveflash

Its 6 duties for 8 officers, two have no duties.  

Four duties is much better, as then there can be a safe rotation if someone steps out. Considering that one of the eight officers isn't active, and two of them pop in at random, three duties would be even more foolproof.iloveflash

One of the 9 officers is not active, he was removed. Remember I was counting Benjamin as an officer.

Officer #1 - Weekly Writers Challenge Fellow/ The Mailman (excuse me there)
This position can be eliminated; we can let anyone who has an interesting enough challenge post it up (though not without permission first). I actually have a challenge here from CooperTeam, but I am delaying posting it until we sort this out. The simple requirement would be:

If you want to make a challenge, write out the rules and get permission from an officer.

The points thing can be made even simpler by implementing one of my old rules (actually I think it is still in effect): for each person who participated in the challenge, the winner gets an extra five points. Thus bigger challenges yield bigger winners, and smaller/forgotten challenges don't.iloveflash

Do it this way, get someone to do it for however long they want, and then move it around - keeps it off the rotation, but keeps it getting done. I think it should be relied on someone .. people can't just randomly post up challenges. Maybe do it a week by week. I mean it isn't that hard to put up a challenge and judge between a max of 6 entries which is the best. It is a slack position. If people are opposed to it being for officers. Okay, but don't just let random people throw em up.

Officer #2 - Member Portfolio Guy/Secretary (couldn't help it)

I don't see why someone would need to keep the portfolios organized, but I haven't finished reading your recomm. yet.

iloveflash

Someone needs to update the table of contents of users. If someone is on the 2nd page, and I want to find him. I am more likely to look at the Table of Contents then to be willing to search him out. Also, when we get up to 5 or 6 pages, it will be much easier to navigate and will cut down some clutter. Beyond that, someone updating the display list is helpful as it gets those entries that didn't get as many comments as writers would have liked.

Officer #3 and #6 - Pr0n Stars

Obviously not duties. Let's forget about them.iloveflash

Officer #4 - Judge Dredd
This is the ugly one. Instead of demanding an officer to judge, leave the officer who created the competition to gather their own judges.iloveflash

Officer #5 - The Man
Okay, forget the last one, this is even more time consuming. People break rules around here all the time, so all of the officers should keep a lookout for them, not one person. The art of locking threads is pretty easy, but that isn't what regulation is all about. It's about letting people know not to repeat their mistakes. This might still work for rotation, though.iloveflash

This is meant to be a sort-of-slack position as yes, the other members should be following the rules. It is more less, you don't have specific duties so the time you allot to this union can be spent to monitor this.

Officer #7 - An Actual Writer
While I like the idea, I don't like the idea of it being a duty. It's worth some thinking over, to be sure, but that's just me.iloveflash

So imo, the duties worth rotating are:

Officer#5, #7, #8, and #2 (for now)

Also, *cough* some of our newer officers aren't so cut out for making cars. :roll:

iloveflash

It was a metaphor. And thats your opinion. I will reiterate myself if this didnt' seem clear. Firstly, I understand that this is a plan and thus nothing ever goes exactly to plan. But also, no member was giving cold, hard numbers other than the writing challenge officer who is expected to maintain it as per normal. Each officer can approach the duty as he/she feels fit. The duties do not take that much time. They are simple and can fit into the allotted time you give to the union. If you do not give 30 minutes a week to it ... well then, you shouldn't be officer. Also, its 6 positions rotating. The two no positions are there for the sake of the rotation.

I understand that not everyone has as much free time as other people; I understand that things come up; I understand that not every duty is going to be fulfilled 100%. I believe that is an entirely reasonable statement. However, just as reasonable to me is that each officer should be expected, at some point to do something for the benefit of the union. Order is helpful, thus the rotation tries to give officers direction, while making sure that things get done. 

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Lol, it was your idea!

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However, that is a weak argument (no offense meant). I for one don't care what people are known for - as an officer you should be expected a higher level of activity. Its not like the jobs ask for too much time - I made sure of that. Keeping your circumstances in mind, if someone cannot fulfill their duties then I think they need to be replaced or temporarily replaced (for your case, I'd said temporarily, but for people not doing their job .. just replaced).

iloveflash

Rusrs? :P

Active officers are people who have the time to fulfill their roles, not necessarily people who are wholly devoted to their unions. You can imagine that, as people grow older, take on new interests, and just live life in general, their activity will in turn start to waver. I am apart of another union which used to be one of GS top unions, where the leader and officers are now off in college. Despite having almost 1700 members, activity is now at an all-time low. The only officer who remains active there had to help his mother and find a new job. With him gone there was basically no activity.

So time IS a big factor, if not THE factor, that determines an officer's level of activity. You simply cannot demand anything of them; if they have the time to fulfill their roles, they will do so, but you are risking things by expecting them to actually take up responsibilities on an internet forum, moreover be consistently responsible. I've heard that you take the union very seriously, which I don't blame you for; but you must understand the community on which this union thrives if you want to make it thrive further.

Replacing officers will not be effective enough in the long run, and may actually become troublesome for the union in the future. The best thing is to let an officer choose which role they wish to be active in, and then shoot them on sight if they shirk their own duties. Simple economics. 8)

I do understand the union as it is. I think it is absolutely ridculious to not instill duties in an officer. Once again you are providing circumstantial evidence to prove your point - yes there are situations that arise where people cannot fulfill their dutise, but the important part is that they make a reasonable effort. No this union is not at the top of my priorities, nor should it be at the top of anyones. For me it is a means to end: I like to read, I like to write and I want to improve my ability in both. Others may be here for the same or different reasons.

Nevertheless, the union cannot function if people do not have responsibilities. Yes I know time is a major factor, that is why I prosposed jobs that should consume maybe about an hour of time a month. Perhaps the only thing I overstepped was on the Writing Challenges job where I asked the officer in charge to rate- so scrap that. Please point out another one that takes up a lot of time.

If that is how you view it - then let them pick what they want, but the reason for the rotation was to:

- Circulate activities, so say if you want to do something, but someone else got it that you aren't sour about it.
- Give some time off, there are two parts in the rotation
- Contribute to the union with as little impact on the lives of officers.

I am sorry if it appears as if I was asking for a lot. Perhaps it is the wording, but I am under the belief that none of the jobs are too time consuming. The only job that is time consuming is Foolz and I understand he is retooling the Prestige Points to make it less of a challenge to deal with.

On the topic of simple economics lets look at Henry Fords assembly line. Each person on the line has a job, a specific duty. The lower level people who have limited knowledge get the simple jobs, those with bigger banks of knowledge get things like oh, foreman jobs. So you have the regular workers and foremans. Then you have the big boss, the number cruncher. 

How does this fit to a union?

- The low level guys, recruits - they have to post stories, participate in stuff.
- The foremans, officers - they have monitor, maintain and take responsibility
- The Boss, Foolz or whoever the leader is - he has make sure the foremans are doing their job.

An assembly line, it works - its simple economics and for your time, it provides the most for the littleist amount of time invested. Like I said, I did not feel like I asked for much, and I am sorry if it appears that way, but officers need to take rseponsibility over something. If its rotational, great. If it is pick and choose, great. As long as it gets done, it works.

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What the hell are "Rusrs" ?

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1. Too many officers to begin with
2. Don't deserve it (I have yet to do anything other than this for about 6 months)
3. Didn't ask for it?

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4. According to the rules, you can't become officer until you're on prestige level 3, which you aren't yet (at least not with that user name)

The List Continues, but like I said ... it doesn't matter.

On the same, but slightly different topic, that sounds like something I would write, but hmm. Probably Benjamins crazy idea. That fool. :P

I'm sorry, why are you not an officer again? :Piloveflash

1. Too many officers to begin with
2. Don't deserve it (I have yet to do anything other than this for about 6 months)
3. Didn't ask for it?

If they need one and I'm the most qualfied, great. If not, no worries. As you can see from above, it really doesn't matter - I'll what is best for the union either way :P

You brought up some very good points. I agree with just about everything you said. I think that the most helpfull thing would be if people took the initiative to condense their work into single threads instead of having 6-7 threads of their work on the front page.honkyjoe

And kudos to you on being the first :) Thanks for the feedback too.