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Really good to see some serious commentary like this.


Danny is producing some brilliant pieces for Gamespot.

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I took issue with your tone not your opinion. I disagree with you but that's your opinion to have. However why you feel the need to state it in such an arrogant self righteous manner and insult anyone who bought the new consoles intelligence I think you should be asking yourself.

I'm getting tired of people constantly insulting my intelligence for making an informed purchasing choice. Asside from making them look like petulant children having a tantrum because they want a new toy too but can't have one, be that the case or not, it's just inconsiderate and rude and brings down the tone of the entire site for no reason.

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@Jestersmiles

If you genuinely want to get your perspective across perhaps spend some time critically reading back over your posts in this thread, and think about how your comments may appear to someone with a different point of view.

You may find it much easier to gather understanding for your perspective if you use less inflammatory language and refrain from insulting the people who are engaging with you.

You are a person with emotions and thoughts worth expressing, trying your best to understand that everyone else on these comments sections is also a person with their own perspectives on the world and taking that on board is a much more effective way of facilitating communication.

Thus enabling you to gain the understanding and communication tools to express your ideas in a valid and meaningful way that people can at least have the chance of understanding.

I dont intend to be patronising. That is advice given in a genuine attempt to help you express your views in a way that won't cause so much hostility.. if that is your intention.

Its also intended as a comment for others to read I don't intend to single you out as the only person on these comments with that same issue.

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The Wii had far better sales a year after launch it surpassed the 360 which had had a twelve month head start as market leader.

The 3DS had disappointing sales but in a market Nintendo have traditionally dominated this can be shown as a more casual audience slowly transitioning from the DS the 3DS major competitor [I'm talking dedicated handhelds the iPhone market is a different and complex issue] Which did pick up as that transition became more valuable to consumers.

However the WiiU isn't competing with the Wii its competing with the relative behemoths of the PS4 and Xbox one. This is a completely different market for Nintendo the casual market has shown complete disinterest in the new and confusing WiiU controller thus making it hard for the WiiU to gather support in that area and the less casual market as a wider audience found the Wii to be a novelty device that ended up being treated as that console that gathers dust you brush off when those first party games come out or the family come over to play Wii Sports.

There may be ways that Nintendo can turn this situation around, but that is going to require some seriously risky moves and cut into the profits they are receiving from the 3DS sales. Its going to be interesting to see if Nintendo bite the bullet and drop the price to the sub $200 price point to position the WiiU as a second console for exclusives and hopefully a cheap alternative for the kids market that is a little under served at this point on the next generation machines, before that opportunity is lost.. or will they simply cut the WiiU lifespan shorter than intended, and begin development of a more marketable and easier to message console in an attempt to either compete with Sony and Microsoft or reach out to the risky novelty driven wider market.

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@Vegamyster @ExplicitMike

You were clearly coming at this from a pretty strongly biased point of view. I'm assuming you really enjoy playing the games that Nintendo puts out. Suits your tastes, and you really enjoy them… thats brilliant :)

However the video was certainly not "Nintendo bashing" it was a balanced, concerned and real look at the issues Nintendo faces in the current climate.

Satoru Iwata himself has come out and expressed his regrets for the current situation with the WiiU and apologised for the lack of planed software support. The issues are clearly there and lashing out at other peoples choices for entertainment platform isn't going to do anything but drive more people away as it gives the impression [incorrectly] that Nintendo fans are becoming slightly rabid and delusional.

These are real issues for Nintendo and sticking your head in the sand shouting "lalalala!" won't make them go away they need to be discussed openly and honestly if a solution is going to be forthcoming.


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The WiiU is actually potentially interesting as a second console as the differences between the PS4 and Xbox on the games front aren't as dramatic as those of picking up a WiiU…. however I really just can't justify buying a WiiU at its current price for Mario alone… despite what that tugging on my nostalgic heart strings is crying out to me.

The is a huge issue for Nintendo as third parties simply aren't going to continue to put resources into WiiU development the install base for the next generation is expanding at staggering speeds, leaving the WiiU as a limbo console that third parties throw out low budget low risk cheap to develop games or an increasingly dwindling series of poorly ported 360/PS4 games…

We don't buy Nintendo consoles for third party games anymore however [as the incredibly low third party software sales and attach rate of the Wii show, despite its impressive sales.] We buy them for the first party exclusives… But realistically how much funding can nintendo throw at a console that only has an install base of 4million a year after release, when their other platform the 3DS has a huge install base netting them excellent profits… I highly expect the WiiU to have a much shorter lifespan than the Wii, especially considering the extreme drop in sales over the last two years of the Wii's lifespan.

Nintendo can't afford to drop the price of the console further until it is selling more significantly without eating into their 3DS success profits, but at this point its main market is going to be as a second console or a cheap console for a younger audience. Its a catch 22 situation and unless Nintendo are willing to gamble a serious chunk of money on the platform to change its position it seems they have another Gamecube on their hands at best.

I'm genuinely interested if they can get the console down to the sub $200 range because I fully expect Nintendo to develop a few really brilliant games… the big issue is can they do that and is it worth the risk or are we looking at 3-4 more years while nintendo develop a new console that they can perhaps message a little better…

Nintendo are an extremely resourceful and interesting company. Personally I think the WiiU was a poor decision but it was also a gamble and thats brave and interesting and as Shuhei Yoshida rightly pointed out we need Nintendo in this industry.

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Ok I wanted a new console because I enjoy playing games and I enjoy new experiences… I didn't buy call of duty thanks but even if I had this arrogant attitude is quite frankly a little immature.

"PS3 had awesome graphics when it was released and the games were nearly the same as they are now on PS4"

That is patently complete nonsense. go back and play any PS3 launch title and you will see an extreme difference if you then go play Killzone or Ryse. Yes Ryse appears to be basically style over substance in sections [havent had the chance to play it yet] I happen to really enjoy Killzone and the difference between Battlefield 4 on the last generation and the new one is substantial on many fundamental levels biggest of which the entire multiplayer design feels different with 64 players.

Not to mention the last generation had been happening for an entire year on the 360 before the development of the PS3.. for a much more accurate image of the actual situation in development go play Perfect Dark Zero then Killzone… or GUN and then Assasins Creed 4 on the new generation of consoles. The launch games are a summation of everything learned on the last generation of consoles and developers learning the new capabilities of the new hardware…. as they always have been. They have had a matter of a few months to optimise these games and have had to develop for a moving target the entire game… launch games are always poorly optimised and if you know what you are looking at can give an interesting look at the possibilities of the new technology.

I happen to take a great interest in the design and artistic aspects of game development and I want to see the changes and learning process' as it happens. If you are a passive consumer who is looking for a stable console with a wider selection of games then by all means wait six months or a year… theres nothing wrong with that.. but getting on some kind of superiority complex because some of us find this industry extremely exciting and understand what the launch of any new hardware involves… the highs of the new the understanding of potential being shown and yes the failed console risk and usual server problems for a few days are all part of that. [although as far as failed consoles go the numbers that are coming in are far below any industry standards for any product at this point]

Your arrogant uninformed statement making sweeping generalisations about millions of people is rude, simplistic and quite frankly offensive.

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@JustWingin_IT

Extremely unlikely given the negligible number of people who ever used the backward compatibility after so many people kept going on about it last generation… if less than 1% of users actively use a feature companies tend to drop it :)

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No they go to Bridge school :P

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@Johny_47

Mae'r ddau consolau yn mynd i roi diwedd ar i fyny fod yn ganolfannau cyfryngau yn y diwedd. Thats cychwyn hyd at ddiffinio rhan o'r profiad consol y dyddiau hyn. yn bersonol wyf yn ei groesawu. Rwy'n hoffi'r dull PS4 o adeiladu herwhela chysura fawr gyntaf, yna ychwanegu'r nodweddion dros gyfnod o amser gan ei fod yn teimlo fel sylfaen mnore gadarn i mi.