Xbox One uses Bonaire entry-level GPU, PS4 uses Pitcairn midrange GPU

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#201 WilliamRLBaker
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.. So what we can take away from this is..

1. no downclock.

2. Sheen claims of wheres the specs yet these are specs weve known for a month.

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#202 Douevenlift_bro
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weaker and $100 more? amazing logic MS. amazing

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#203 Douevenlift_bro
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xbone

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PS4

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Krelian-co

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#204 AtariKidX
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:lol: lems are paying $100 more for outdated underpowered shit hardware 

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This.....lolol
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#205 wis3boi
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.. So what we can take away from this is..

1. no downclock.

2. Sheen claims of wheres the specs yet these are specs weve known for a month.

WilliamRLBaker

 

everything that comes out of your mouth belongs here

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/cringe

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#206 HiraiKazuo
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I wish Microsoft the best of luck. After 2 consoles attempts coming in dead last they seem to need it.
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#207 KungfuKitten
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So the PS4 is x times as powerful.

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#208 CroidX
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Microsoft selling people a weaker system for more wow fire all those clown in charge of the xbox one marketing

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#209 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

:lol: lems are paying $100 more for outdated underpowered shit hardware 

kalipekona

True. But cows are paying $400 for outdated, underpowered shit hardware. Good for them, I guess...paying $100 less for shit hardware. Yay?

 

So can you build a new PC better than PS4 for 400$?

PS4 has a good balance of power and price.

A 7850 can be cooled by a passive cooler and will run games in 1080p on good detail and 8 GB GDDR5 is also lots of fast RAM for a console.

And the 8-core AMD Jaguar CPU may have a bit low individual core performance but it uses modern graphics and physics accelerating instruction sets like AVX, has full multi-threading support and and co-operates with the GPU via gpGPU support.

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#210 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

:lol: lems are paying $100 more for outdated underpowered shit hardware 

nameless12345

True. But cows are paying $400 for outdated, underpowered shit hardware. Good for them, I guess...paying $100 less for shit hardware. Yay?

 

So can you build a new PC better than PS4 for 400$?

PS4 has a good balance of power and price.

A 7850 can be cooled by a passive cooler and will run games in 1080p on good detail and 8 GB GDDR5 is also lots of fast RAM for a console.

And the 8-core AMD Jaguar CPU may have a bit low individual core performance but it uses modern graphics and physics accelerating instruction sets like AVX, has full multi-threading support and and co-operates with the GPU via gpGPU support.

Can you play online for $400? :)
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#211 legalize82
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xbone

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PS4

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Krelian-co
bahahaha
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#212 legalize82
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this thread is lemming free why ?
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#213 ZoomZoom2490
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this thread is lemming free why ?legalize82

becauase they are waiting for MS to release another PR bs about the secret power of the X1, all previous have failed.

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#214 nameless12345
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Would be funny if MS bent under the pressure and pulled a "Sega Saturn" by adding another GPU in there and making Kinect optional.

But it's probably too late for that so let's hope "teh Cloud" saves the day, eh? ;)

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#215 Sonysexual1
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.. So what we can take away from this is..

1. no downclock.

2. Sheen claims of wheres the specs yet these are specs weve known for a month.

WilliamRLBaker

I hope you realize that by NOT downclocking, Microsoft pretty much handed SONY a 75+% marketshare next gen.

Would you rather the ONE be slightly less powerful and sell just as much as your competitor so 3rd parties will continue developing on your platform, or would you rather keep the pitiful amount of power you already have and live with the bad manufacturing yields?

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#216 Jakandsigz
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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

xbone

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PS4

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Douevenlift_bro

:cool:

Top pic has more realistic graphics. How do you backfire so badly?
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#217 KingOfAsia
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buy xbox buy xbox 360 buy xbox one nothings changing. Not gonna miss out on halo 5 6 7. And not gonna get the crappy ps4

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#218 AdamPA1006
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TLHBO

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#219 Krelian-co
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[QUOTE="legalize82"]this thread is lemming free why ?ZoomZoom2490

 

becauase they are waiting for MS to release another PR bs about the secret power of the X1, all previous have failed.

-guys we didnt spend decent money making a decent console hardware but all you have to know is this: cloud

-but but how does cloud work and why you didnt spend that money making a powerful console?

-cloooudddddddddddddddddddddddd look at the pretty cloud

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#220 Krelian-co
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I wish Microsoft the best of luck. After 2 consoles attempts coming in dead last they seem to need it.HiraiKazuo

not to mention they went full moron this gen

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#221 hoosier7
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

True. But cows are paying $400 for outdated, underpowered shit hardware. Good for them, I guess...paying $100 less for shit hardware. Yay?

blue_hazy_basic

 

So can you build a new PC better than PS4 for 400$?

PS4 has a good balance of power and price.

A 7850 can be cooled by a passive cooler and will run games in 1080p on good detail and 8 GB GDDR5 is also lots of fast RAM for a console.

And the 8-core AMD Jaguar CPU may have a bit low individual core performance but it uses modern graphics and physics accelerating instruction sets like AVX, has full multi-threading support and and co-operates with the GPU via gpGPU support.

Can you play online for $400? :)

Yep, Planetside 2 is completely free :P

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#222 Douevenlift_bro
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this thread is lemming free why ?legalize82
They are speechless at the ownage.

 

Times are hard for an X1 supporter

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#223 deactivated-57d8401f17c55
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I think the first good example we'll see of this disparity will be the comparision of Witcher 3.  Considering nothing i've seen is pushing either console yet, and Witcher 3 being the first top tier game in the launch window's.

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#224 tormentos
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PS4's compute is stronger, but weaker in tessellation**, color** and z ROPS**.

 

**Reference 7850 has 860Mhz clock speed.

 

PS; Some 7850 has 1Ghz clock speed (from ABI).

ronvalencia

 

Ronvalencia anti PS4 theory of the day.

Today is weaker tessellation based on nothing but a 60mhz lower clock.

 

Great work Ron lets ignore tthe 128SP more the PS4 has than the 7850 that raise the TF count over the 7850 count even with a lower clock speed.

 

The 7850 with 1ghz are the over clocked ones,the original model is 860mhz.

 

I wonder why you don't apply this theory to the xbox one GPU,which is 200mhz slower than the 7790 bonaire,and has 12 CU instead of 14,so yeah the xbox one GPU is a extremely gimped 7790,at least the PS4 has performance over the 7850.

 

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#225 deactivated-57d8401f17c55
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

 

PS4's compute is stronger, but weaker in tessellation**, color** and z ROPS**.

 

**Reference 7850 has 860Mhz clock speed.

 

PS; Some 7850 has 1Ghz clock speed (from ABI).

tormentos

 

Ronvalencia anti PS4 theory of the day.

Today is weaker tessellation based on nothing but a 60mhz lower clock.

 

Great work Ron lets ignore tthe 128SP more the PS4 has than the 7850 that raise the TF count over the 7850 count even with a lower clock speed.

 

The 7850 with 1ghz are the over clocked ones,the original model is 860mhz.

 

I wonder why you don't apply this theory to the xbox one GPU,which is 200mhz slower than the 7790 bonaire,and has 12 CU instead of 14,so yeah the xbox one GPU is a extremely gimped 7790,at least the PS4 has performance over the 7850.

 

Ron has gone off the deep end.

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#226 tormentos
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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]also i wouldn't consider a 7850 an enthusiast card anymore. Both are using budget parts by PC standardsNFJSupreme

ps4 isnt using a 7850, its using a substantially tweaked "7860".... the ps4 gpu is noticeably stronger then the hd 7850

 

lol.  No. There is no such thing as a 7860.  The chip in the PS4 is a custom chip.Its slightly stronger than a 7850 but based off the same chip in the 7850.  The 7850 is not an enthusiast chip.  All this is moot anyway because are  talking about consoles here not PCs.  Consoles get more done with less.  Just don't confuse optimization with more power.

 

If anything is a 7870 with 2 CU less and lower clock speed,the 7850 doesn't have 18 CU and 1152 SP.

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#227 tormentos
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Ron has gone off the deep end.

Chozofication

 

The sad part is that he doesn't admit it,but he is a 24 7 lemming now,making shallow theories on how the xbox one GPU will be the best thing since cars,and how the PS4 GPU will be just another off the shelf part that doesn't perform well.

 

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#228 savagetwinkie
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mainstreem part?

hurray no RROD

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#229 NFJSupreme
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[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] ps4 isnt using a 7850, its using a substantially tweaked "7860".... the ps4 gpu is noticeably stronger then the hd 7850

tormentos

 

lol.  No. There is no such thing as a 7860.  The chip in the PS4 is a custom chip.Its slightly stronger than a 7850 but based off the same chip in the 7850.  The 7850 is not an enthusiast chip.  All this is moot anyway because are  talking about consoles here not PCs.  Consoles get more done with less.  Just don't confuse optimization with more power.

 

If anything is a 7870 with 2 CU less and lower clock speed,the 7850 doesn't have 18 CU and 1152 SP.

 

it't not as fast as a 7870 so its just a beefed up 7850.  All this is moot anyway because its not an enthusiast card in any shape of the way.  Even if it was a 7870 it's not one.   Maybe if this was 2011 but is 2013.  Its mid ranged.  

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#230 zetoexe
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so it is settled then..

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#231 tormentos
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[QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

The PS4 GPU isn't strictly a 7870, it's more in between a 7850 and a 7870.

Tessellation

The 7870 has 2.56 TFLOPs so no, its more like 7850 + few percents.

 

No the PS4 is a severe downclock 7870,the 7850 doesn't have 18 CU,but the 7870 CU one can be disable,in fact the 7850 is a 7870 with 4 less CU.

 

Here is how it is..

 

Xbox one..

 

7790 down clock 200mhz with 2 CU off for yields. end results 1.23 TF lower than the 7770 by a hair.

PS4..

7870 down clock 200mhz with 2 CU off for yields. end result 1.84 TF higher than the 7850 by a few hairs.

 

Also the PS4 has 8 Aces with 64 compute commands far greater than the xbox one and any GCN for that matter including the 7970,which has 2 Aces and 4 compute commands.

Aces is what allow in order GPU like GCN do out of order executions.

 

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#232 tormentos
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it't not as fast as a 7870 so its just a beefed up 7850.  All this is moot anyway because its not an enthusiast card in any shape of the way.  Even if it was a 7870 it's not one.   Maybe if this was 2011 but is 2013.  Its mid ranged.  

NFJSupreme

 

You don't get it the 7850 is a 7870 with lower clock and 4 CU less,it exist to fill a price gap,when the 7870's are made not all come working with 20 CU,some have 18,some have 16,some have 14.

So instead of trowing them away the GPU vendor pack them with different names and sell them,this is a fact is not my opinion you can look it up.

Is easier to disable 2 CU in the 7870 and sell it with 18 than adding 2 CU to the 7850,also it is the exact same thing with the 7790 and the xbox one GPU,the xbox one GPU is say to be 800mhz,bonaire on the 7790 is 1ghz and is 14 CU not 12.

 

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#233 HiraiKazuo
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

The PS4 GPU isn't strictly a 7870, it's more in between a 7850 and a 7870.

tormentos

The 7870 has 2.56 TFLOPs so no, its more like 7850 + few percents.

 

No the PS4 is a severe downclock 7870,the 7850 doesn't have 18 CU,but the 7870 CU one can be disable,in fact the 7850 is a 7870 with 4 less CU.

 

Here is how it is..

 

Xbox one..

 

7790 down clock 200mhz with 2 CU off for yields. end results 1.23 TF lower than the 7770 by a hair.

PS4..

7870 down clock 200mhz with 2 CU off for yields. end result 1.84 TF higher than the 7850 hair.

 

Also the PS4 has 8 Aces with 64 compute commands far greater than the xbox one and any GCN for that matter including the 7970,which has 2 Aces and 4 compute commands.

Aces is what allow in order GPU like GCN do out of order executions.

 

You should apply for a job on the Sony engineering team. We have openings.
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#234 Bruce_Benzing
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

 

PS4's compute is stronger, but weaker in tessellation**, color** and z ROPS**.

 

**Reference 7850 has 860Mhz clock speed.

 

PS; Some 7850 has 1Ghz clock speed (from ABI).

tormentos

 

Ronvalencia anti PS4 theory of the day.

Today is weaker tessellation based on nothing but a 60mhz lower clock.

 

Great work Ron lets ignore tthe 128SP more the PS4 has than the 7850 that raise the TF count over the 7850 count even with a lower clock speed.

 

The 7850 with 1ghz are the over clocked ones,the original model is 860mhz.

 

I wonder why you don't apply this theory to the xbox one GPU,which is 200mhz slower than the 7790 bonaire,and has 12 CU instead of 14,so yeah the xbox one GPU is a extremely gimped 7790,at least the PS4 has performance over the 7850.

 

Oh look the King of Hypocrisy and Hyperbole is back, blowing smoke up everyone a$$es as usual. Can you at least hire a proofreader that can spell a 3 letter word correctly? I'm sure the rest of the Herd loves your idiocy. Isn't it great when the other people can at least provide links, yet you just post whatever you want with no backup?

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#235 Evo_nine
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this thread is lemming free why ?legalize82

Maybe cause they are laughing at the delusional cows.

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#236 tormentos
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.. So what we can take away from this is..

1. no downclock.

2. Sheen claims of wheres the specs yet these are specs weve known for a month.

WilliamRLBaker

 

No the downclock came from MS own numbers,it was MS who fail at calculating what they would let loose.

The source was MS.

The numbers came from MS and math doesn't lie,the whole denial of downclock again also comes from MS,we all know MS will deny anything.

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#237 tormentos
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 Oh look the King of Hypocrisy and Hyperbole is back, blowing smoke up everyone a$$es as usual. Can you at least hire a proofreader that can spell a 3 letter word correctly? I'm sure the rest of the Herd loves your idiocy. Isn't it great when the other people can at least provide links, yet you just post whatever you want with no backup?Bruce_Benzing

 

So once again no argument from you,just a plain butthurt attack..:lol:

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#238 PinkiePirate
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I should probably edit the picture and thread title, because these are not 'mainstream' and 'enthusiast' GPUs..

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#239 Tessellation
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eSRAM remains the same,so does the GPU speed..! keep grasping and looking pathetic after several times proven wrong :cool: now i want to see those tears of rage and :lol: to hide the anger and insecurity agains't the weak console :cool:
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#240 lostrib
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lol console+enthusiast GPU. :lol:

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#241 Tessellation
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I should probably edit the picture and thread title, because these are not 'mainstream' and 'enthusiast' GPUs..

PinkiePirate
both are weakass shit compare to what is out, no matter who tries to spin it.
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eSRAM remains the same,so does the GPU speed..! keep grasping and looking pathetic after several times proven wrong :cool: now i want to see those tears of rage and :lol: to hide the anger and insecurity agains't the weak console :cool:Tessellation
:lol:

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#243 Tessellation
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]eSRAM remains the same,so does the GPU speed..! keep grasping and looking pathetic after several times proven wrong :cool: now i want to see those tears of rage and :lol: to hide the anger and insecurity agains't the weak console :cool:heeweesRus

:lol:

you're straight edge you can't laugh at no one :cool:
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#244 heeweesRus
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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]eSRAM remains the same,so does the GPU speed..! keep grasping and looking pathetic after several times proven wrong :cool: now i want to see those tears of rage and :lol: to hide the anger and insecurity agains't the weak console :cool:Tessellation

:lol:

you're straight edge you can't laugh at no one :cool:

:(

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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]eSRAM remains the same,so does the GPU speed..! keep grasping and looking pathetic after several times proven wrong :cool: now i want to see those tears of rage and :lol: to hide the anger and insecurity agains't the weak console :cool:Tessellation

:lol:

you're straight edge you can't laugh at no one :cool:

At least he's not a hermit...

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#246 Tessellation
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]:lol:

Sonysexual1

you're straight edge you can't laugh at no one :cool:

At least he's not a hermit...

ok *sonysexual* :cool:

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#247 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]:lol:

Sonysexual1

you're straight edge you can't laugh at no one :cool:

At least he's not a hermit...

^troll

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#249 PinkiePirate
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Edited the pic.

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#250 CJ_ofCamelot
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You forgot to mention GDDR5 too.