Xbox One uses Bonaire entry-level GPU, PS4 uses Pitcairn midrange GPU

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#1 Posted by PinkiePirate (1973 posts) -

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First, the person comparing the GTX 680 to a GTX 670 and coming to the conclusion that the PS4 and Xbox One would have a similar disparity in performance because of the difference in teraflops is wrong. The GTX 680 and GTX 670 are based off of the same GK104 chip so everything on these chips are exactly the same except the core clock and the texture units/stream processors. The PS4's GPU on the other hand is based of off "Pitcairn" which is the chip used in HD 7850/7870s while the Xbox One's GPU is based off of "Bonaire" which is a chip used in the HD 7790s. So what does that mean in layman's terms? The chip used as a reference for the Xbox One's GPU is a mainstream part while the chip used in the PS4 is part of the enthusiast class GPUs.

To get a better understanding of the disparity in power here, take a look at Anandtech's fantastic benchmark suite: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/776?vs=857

badb0y

If you take a look at those benchmarks, it looks like the PS4 GPU is significantly more powerful. The comparable GPUs found in PCs show a 10-15 FPS lead over the other. And it makes sense. The PS4 has twice the fillrate power and 50% more raw shading performance. Should be a no brainer.

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#2 Posted by TorqueHappens08 (1164 posts) -
And finally,we have specs.
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#3 Posted by shadiezz2012 (2471 posts) -
ps4 GPU is much stronger/better indeed
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#4 Posted by Krelian-co (13274 posts) -

ow snap in before xbots and their excuses

"but but teh cloud" :lol: apparently microsoft's money isn't enough to buy decent hardware

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#5 Posted by shadiezz2012 (2471 posts) -

ow snap in before xbots and their excuses

"but but teh cloud" :lol: apparently microsoft's money isn't enough to buy decent hardware

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Krelian-co

you shut your mouth

teh cloud will destroy your ps4 .......when it done loading:P

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#6 Posted by skanjos (647 posts) -

yes we know it, lets wait for the consoles to be out ,to see the differences in exclusives and multiplatform titles and reach a verdict,most know ps4 will be the most powerfull console but some believe in the cloud mambojumbo. 4-5 months wait

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#7 Posted by TorqueHappens08 (1164 posts) -
Damn,PS4...That's quite a massive leap in terms of sheer power... I'm really interested to see what the final product of PS4 games look like. This thread should get very interesting.
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#8 Posted by NathanDrakeSwag (10372 posts) -

:lol: lems are paying $100 more for outdated underpowered shit hardware 

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#9 Posted by silversix_ (26347 posts) -

Oh shit LEMMINGS GOT DESTROYED
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#10 Posted by Krelian-co (13274 posts) -

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

ow snap in before xbots and their excuses

"but but teh cloud" :lol: apparently microsoft's money isn't enough to buy decent hardware

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shadiezz2012

you shut your mouth

teh cloud will destroy your ps4 .......when it done loading:P

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dat gif, you should make a signature verison of it.

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#11 Posted by shadiezz2012 (2471 posts) -

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

ow snap in before xbots and their excuses

"but but teh cloud" :lol: apparently microsoft's money isn't enough to buy decent hardware

owned_powell.jpg

Krelian-co

you shut your mouth

teh cloud will destroy your ps4 .......when it done loading:P

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dat gif, you should make a signature verison of it.

will do
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#12 Posted by heeweesRus (5492 posts) -

downclockedbox :lol:

Can't wait for RR360DD salty tears :lol:

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#13 Posted by Krelian-co (13274 posts) -

:lol: lems are paying $100 more for outdated underpowered shit hardware 

NathanDrakeSwag

but it includes an hd spycam that no one wanted :lol:

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#14 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -
Xbone is all about those teraFLOPS.
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#16 Posted by getyeryayasout (10926 posts) -
$100 less, too.
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#17 Posted by TorqueHappens08 (1164 posts) -
Lem damage control will consist of "specs don't matter" And have you SEEN titanfall.
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#18 Posted by PinkiePirate (1973 posts) -
And have you SEEN titanfall. TorqueHappens08
Which has the possibility of only being a timed exclusive.
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#19 Posted by TorqueHappens08 (1164 posts) -

[QUOTE="TorqueHappens08"] And have you SEEN titanfall. PinkiePirate
Which has the possibility of only being a timed exclusive.

I thought it was a confirmed timed exclusive? 

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#20 Posted by heeweesRus (5492 posts) -

[QUOTE="TorqueHappens08"] And have you SEEN titanfall. PinkiePirate
Which has the possibility of only being a timed exclusive.

It isn't even X1 exclusive now, lol. its also on 360 and PC.

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#22 Posted by Ackad (3183 posts) -
Where are you RR360D? We're waiting :lol:
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#23 Posted by shadiezz2012 (2471 posts) -

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TorqueHappens08"] And have you SEEN titanfall. TorqueHappens08

Which has the possibility of only being a timed exclusive.

I thought it was a confirmed timed exclusive? 

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2013/06/12/titanfall-may-be-released-on-ps4/ MS and lems don't know what exclusives mean they think games that you don't need xbox to play are xbox exclusives :lol:
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#24 Posted by TorqueHappens08 (1164 posts) -

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"][QUOTE="TorqueHappens08"] And have you SEEN titanfall. heeweesRus

Which has the possibility of only being a timed exclusive.

It isn't even X1 exclusive now, lol. its also on 360 and PC.

I'm gonna pick it up on PC, see what all the fuss is about, but the lack of a single player campaign with a compelling story sorta sours the deal.

 

but i know the console version will be a bunch of little squeaker kids running around online in mechs, cursing and threatning...

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#25 Posted by PinkiePirate (1973 posts) -

I thought it was a confirmed timed exclusive? 

TorqueHappens08

 

I haven't seen or heard of any confirmation from the developer.

All that was said was, "it's definitely not out of the question." It's a possibility.

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#26 Posted by neo418 (579 posts) -

I seriously will never understand why people talk about launch games. They all suck compared to later games. Wait a year to buy a system, it's the smartest thing to do. 

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#27 Posted by shadiezz2012 (2471 posts) -

[QUOTE="getyeryayasout"]$100 less, too.kingoflife9

damn, dont make me feel bad i pre ordered the x1 lol.  we'll see man, the x1 games so far look more interesting than ps4.  d4, dead rising 3, quantum break, titanfall...they have a strong lineup.

you know ND is coming with ps4 game that will shit on every thing on xbox just like this gen's TLOU and before it UC2

and tons of other 1st/2nd party studios that still didn't show what they have

you made a mistake dude

never judge a system by launch titles

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#28 Posted by neo418 (579 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingoflife9"]

[QUOTE="getyeryayasout"]$100 less, too.shadiezz2012

damn, dont make me feel bad i pre ordered the x1 lol.  we'll see man, the x1 games so far look more interesting than ps4.  d4, dead rising 3, quantum break, titanfall...they have a strong lineup.

you know ND is coming with ps4 game that will shit on every thing on xbox just like this gen TLOU/UC2 and tons of other 1st/2nd party studios are still didn't show what they have you made a mistake dude never judge a system by launch titles

I hope they go back to sci-fi. Something like jak plz. 

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#29 Posted by BPoole96 (22817 posts) -

78xx series is not enthusiast level

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#30 Posted by Malta_1980 (11890 posts) -

Interesting read.... 

Cant wait till the PS4 gets launched :)

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#31 Posted by shadiezz2012 (2471 posts) -

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="kingoflife9"]

damn, dont make me feel bad i pre ordered the x1 lol.  we'll see man, the x1 games so far look more interesting than ps4.  d4, dead rising 3, quantum break, titanfall...they have a strong lineup.

neo418

you know ND is coming with ps4 game that will shit on every thing on xbox just like this gen TLOU/UC2 and tons of other 1st/2nd party studios are still didn't show what they have you made a mistake dude never judge a system by launch titles

I hope they go back to sci-fi. Something like jak plz. 

now after the last of us i want more type of those games 18+ games whatever they are sci-fi or not
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#32 Posted by neo418 (579 posts) -

[QUOTE="neo418"]

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] you know ND is coming with ps4 game that will shit on every thing on xbox just like this gen TLOU/UC2 and tons of other 1st/2nd party studios are still didn't show what they have you made a mistake dude never judge a system by launch titlesshadiezz2012

I hope they go back to sci-fi. Something like jak plz. 

now after the last of us i want more type of those games 18+ games whatever they are sci-fi or not

Actually no sci-fi, I would like them to make a game of thrones style game. 

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#33 Posted by mitu123 (155023 posts) -

78xx series is not enthusiast level

BPoole96
True, that's the 79xx series.
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#34 Posted by shadiezz2012 (2471 posts) -

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="neo418"]

I hope they go back to sci-fi. Something like jak plz. 

neo418

now after the last of us i want more type of those games 18+ games whatever they are sci-fi or not

Actually no sci-fi, I would like them to make a game of thrones style game. 

that would be very badass and open world too or wide linear like TLOU those guys can do any thing
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#35 Posted by btk2k2 (440 posts) -

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[QUOTE="badb0y"]

First, the person comparing the GTX 680 to a GTX 670 and coming to the conclusion that the PS4 and Xbox One would have a similar disparity in performance because of the difference in teraflops is wrong. The GTX 680 and GTX 670 are based off of the same GK104 chip so everything on these chips are exactly the same except the core clock and the texture units/stream processors. The PS4's GPU on the other hand is based of off "Pitcairn" which is the chip used in HD 7850/7870s while the Xbox One's GPU is based off of "Bonaire" which is a chip used in the HD 7790s. So what does that mean in layman's terms? The chip used as a reference for the Xbox One's GPU is a mainstream part while the chip used in the PS4 is part of the enthusiast class GPUs.

To get a better understanding of the disparity in power here, take a look at Anandtech's fantastic benchmark suite: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/776?vs=857

PinkiePirate

If you take a look at those benchmarks, it looks like the PS4 GPU is significantly more powerful. The comparable GPUs found in PCs show a 10-15 FPS lead over the other. And it makes sense. The PS4 has twice the fillrate power and 50% more raw shading performance. Should be a no brainer.

I have always said it is a no brainer that the PS4 will have a 40-50% performance advantage in games over Xbox 1. To be honest I did not think to compare the 7790 to the 7870 Ghz because both are more powerful than the console counterparts. The 7790 is 45% more powerful than the Xbox 1 GPU and the 7870Ghz is 39% more powerful than the PS4 GPU. That means that this comparison is in the ball park but is also showing best case for the Xbox 1 and worst case for the PS4. I still think Ron will be in here saying the 7790 is only on a 128bit memory bus and does not have ESRAM or the JIT LZ/JPEG encode/decode units but all that does is help the bandwidth of the Xbox1 and in these cases neither the 7790 or the 7870 is starved of bandwidth so that is all meaningless to actual, on screen performance. Bandwidth only matters if you do not have enough of it and both PS4 and Xbox 1 have enough (although it takes more work on Xbox 1 to achieve it).
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#36 Posted by nyzma23 (1000 posts) -

i still gonna buy xbox one i don't care about specs i only care about games,kinect and tv box on xbox one

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#37 Posted by Krelian-co (13274 posts) -

[QUOTE="getyeryayasout"]$100 less, too.kingoflife9

damn, dont make me feel bad i pre ordered the x1 lol.  we'll see man, the x1 games so far look more interesting than ps4.  d4, dead rising 3, quantum break, titanfall...they have a strong lineup.

in terms of launch games they are pretty equal, aside the fact that titanfall their biggest game i will be playing it on pc, but launch games never mean much, just look the 360 had some decent games at their beginning but was abandoned soon with a bunch of multiplats that you could get on the other system, kinect games and bad sequels, while ps3 kept pumping high scoring exclusives and gotys. Just look at this year, last of us, ni no kuni and tales of xillia, and what does the 360 have? gears of war xxvii dudebro bad sequel edition.

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#38 Posted by faizan_faizan (7869 posts) -

78xx series is not enthusiast level

BPoole96
This and old.
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#42 Posted by Krelian-co (13274 posts) -

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="kingoflife9"]

damn, dont make me feel bad i pre ordered the x1 lol.  we'll see man, the x1 games so far look more interesting than ps4.  d4, dead rising 3, quantum break, titanfall...they have a strong lineup.

kingoflife9

in terms of launch games they are pretty equal, aside the fact that titanfall their biggest game i will be playing it on pc, but launch games never mean much, just look the 360 had some decent games at their beginning but was abandoned soon with a bunch of multiplats that you could get on the other system, kinect games and bad sequels, while ps3 kept pumping high scoring exclusives and gotys. Just look at this year, last of us, ni no kuni and tales of xillia, and what does the 360 have? gears of war xxvii dudebro bad sequel edition.

havent played tlou yet and im not too into jrpg's unless its a good final fantasy game like 7, 8, 9, 10, 12.  I had ALOT of fun this gen with alan wake and left 4 dead and gears of war and halo and all those 360 exclusives.  plus I played alot of the xbox original games that i missed on my 360 and it made me realize how strong the xbox original library was.  

weird i could swear i played alan wake left 4 dead halo and gears of war, and not on 360 hmmm. awesome "exclusives"

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#43 Posted by FPSfan1985 (2174 posts) -
Damn what was NMS thinking. There are already cards out these 3 times as fast as that.
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#44 Posted by shadiezz2012 (2471 posts) -

[QUOTE="kingoflife9"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

in terms of launch games they are pretty equal, aside the fact that titanfall their biggest game i will be playing it on pc, but launch games never mean much, just look the 360 had some decent games at their beginning but was abandoned soon with a bunch of multiplats that you could get on the other system, kinect games and bad sequels, while ps3 kept pumping high scoring exclusives and gotys. Just look at this year, last of us, ni no kuni and tales of xillia, and what does the 360 have? gears of war xxvii dudebro bad sequel edition.

Krelian-co

havent played tlou yet and im not too into jrpg's unless its a good final fantasy game like 7, 8, 9, 10, 12.  I had ALOT of fun this gen with alan wake and left 4 dead and gears of war and halo and all those 360 exclusives.  plus I played alot of the xbox original games that i missed on my 360 and it made me realize how strong the xbox original library was.  

weird i could swear i played alan wake left 4 dead halo and gears of war, and not on 360 hmmm. awesome "exclusives"

lol :lol: sad but true
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#45 Posted by Obviously_Right (5331 posts) -

lmao :lol:

Pls try to spin this Lems. Pls.

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#46 Posted by PinkiePirate (1973 posts) -

78xx series is not enthusiast level

BPoole96
Well, that part of it may not be entirely accurate (some would still consider it to be high-end), but the specs sure are.
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#47 Posted by PSdual_wielder (10646 posts) -

you shut your mouth

teh cloud will destroy your ps4 .......when it done loading:P

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shadiezz2012

why would you spend the last 25% rendering a drop shadow lol

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#48 Posted by jhcho2 (4942 posts) -

BS comparison. The article didn't even get into specifics. Sure, the 7790 is weaker than the 7850, but for many other reasons than just the 'type' of GPU. 'Bonaire' and 'Pitcairn' are just codenames for GPUs of different architecture. And just because one particular architecture is used on the weaker card, it doesn't immediately imply that the architecture is inferior in any way. A card can be weaker due to lower transistor count, lower clock speeds, lower memory bandwidth etc etc., none of which have anything to do with architecture.

Also, don't forget that the 7790 came out AFTER the 7850. Very often, the one to be released later has a more advanced architecture, an improved one of the pioneering card. The only reason the card is weaker is a marketing one. You always release the powerful cards first, the mid range ones later for the bottom feeders.

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#49 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

78xx series is not enthusiast level

PinkiePirate

Well, that part of it may not be entirely accurate (some would still consider it to be high-end), but the specs sure are.

They aren't... an enthusiast product would be the 7970 (Ghz) card. Compare the specs in the OP with this, and there you go. PS4's GPU is slightly stronger than the 7850 on the PC, which is a mid-range card in every sense of the word.

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#50 Posted by shadiezz2012 (2471 posts) -

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]

you shut your mouth

teh cloud will destroy your ps4 .......when it done loading:P

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PSdual_wielder

why would you spend the last 25% rendering a drop shadow lol

lol:lol: