Why isn't there a Zelda "killer"?

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#1 too_much_eslim
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I doubt the game would kill Zelda, but if someone tried to make a game as Epic as Zelda and beyond I would definately be intrigue in Playing the game. Especially if it lives up to the hype of being a great game that can rival Zelda. I only say this because maybe it will force future Zeldas to be drastically different from the last knowing there is competition out there. I am a huge Zelda fan, but if I can play a Zelda like game on another system it would be awesome to play two great games.
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#2 ChrisMun
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Naw. I don't think we're ever going to see a Zelda killer. It's just too damn good of a franchise.

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#3 sexy_chimp
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Zelda is immortal.
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#4 thriteenthmonke
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You obviously weren't here for the Kameo hype.
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#5 Sparky04
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It wouldn't be that hard for a game to beat Twilight Princess. Shadow of Collosus is the closest game I can compare it to and I defiently liked that more than Twilight Princess.
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#6 nivet14
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Nothing can beat Zelda.
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#7 Heil68
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Zelda is in a league of its own.
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#8 MetroidPrimePwn
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Because Ocarina of Time got a 10 and that's kind of hard to beat.
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#9 too_much_eslim
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It wouldn't be that hard for a game to beat Twilight Princess. Shadow of Collosus is the closest game I can compare it to and I defiently liked that more than Twilight Princess.Sparky04
But that game is not in the same vein as Zelda. Also TP is garbage I will not use that game as a reflection on the franchise.
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#10 WeAreToast
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Okami "takes it cues" from Zelda, according to Greg Kasavin in his review.
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#11 Silenthps
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okami killed zelda tp! (not in sales though :()
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#12 PBSnipes
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I think it has more to do with Zelda being a very unique franchise. Its like how we'll never see a "Sims killer" or a "Spore killer", unique titles tend to scare the competition off. Also I think its partially nostalgia. If you took a hard look at TP, there really isn't anything new or exciting about the game. Much like other premier franchises, if you dropped the Zelda title I'd bet dollars to donuts that the game wouldn't recieve nearly as good reviews as TP did. The premise and core gameplay of the Zelda games is very unique, but other than WWthe game hasn't changed much since OoT.
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#13 too_much_eslim
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Nothing can beat Zelda.nivet14
Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.
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It wouldn't be that hard for a game to beat Twilight Princess. Shadow of Collosus is the closest game I can compare it to and I defiently liked that more than Twilight Princess.Sparky04

Sotc'sso crappy, I actually wrote a review about it. Well, maybe it's more of a public rant.

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#15 too_much_eslim
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Okami "takes it cues" from Zelda, according to Greg Kasavin in his review.WeAreToast
Ok how about a game hyped as the Zelda killer and live to its hype of being a game that can rival Zelda. it will not kill the franchise though.
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Because there will never be such a thing.
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[QUOTE="Sparky04"]It wouldn't be that hard for a game to beat Twilight Princess. Shadow of Collosus is the closest game I can compare it to and I defiently liked that more than Twilight Princess.Harden_hawk

That game's so crappy, I actually wrote a review about it.

I should do the same.
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[QUOTE="nivet14"]Nothing can beat Zelda.too_much_eslim
Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.

I hate zelda, i would hate to have another game plagued by feeling like trash.

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#19 too_much_eslim
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Because there will never be such a thing.MrDziekuje
So you do not want another great game out there?
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#20 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="nivet14"]Nothing can beat Zelda.D3monchicken

Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.

I hate zelda, i would hate to have another game plagued by feeling like trash.

You do not like its gameplay or the story?
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#21 nivet14
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="nivet14"]Nothing can beat Zelda.D3monchicken

Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.

I hate zelda, i would hate to have another game plagued by feeling like trash.

*Gasp* You just called Zelda trash. You are offically not a gamer.
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[QUOTE="nivet14"]Nothing can beat Zelda.too_much_eslim
Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.

Yeah, its called Phantom Hour Glass.
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[QUOTE="Harden_hawk"]

[QUOTE="Sparky04"]It wouldn't be that hard for a game to beat Twilight Princess. Shadow of Collosus is the closest game I can compare it to and I defiently liked that more than Twilight Princess.too_much_eslim

That game's so crappy, I actually wrote a review about it.

I should do the same.

What I hated, was the mediocre camera control's. It ruined what was a crappy game anyways.

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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="nivet14"]Nothing can beat Zelda.nytrospawn
Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.

Yeah, its called Phantom Hour Glass.

But it is Zelda. How about a new franchise to rival that thrown.
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#25 KungfuKitten
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Nobody likes competing with nintendo.
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#26 nivet14
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[QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="nivet14"]Nothing can beat Zelda.too_much_eslim
Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.

Yeah, its called Phantom Hour Glass.

But it is Zelda. How about a new franchise to rival that thrown.

No one can take the thrown away from zelda.
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#27 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Harden_hawk"]

[QUOTE="Sparky04"]It wouldn't be that hard for a game to beat Twilight Princess. Shadow of Collosus is the closest game I can compare it to and I defiently liked that more than Twilight Princess.Harden_hawk

That game's so crappy, I actually wrote a review about it.

I should do the same.

What I hated, was the mediocre camera control's. It ruined what was a crappy game anyways.

Camera controls? I don't remember having a problem with that.
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[QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="nivet14"]Nothing can beat Zelda.too_much_eslim
Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.

Yeah, its called Phantom Hour Glass.

But it is Zelda. How about a new franchise to rival that thrown.

Why do we need a new franchise? How about the zelda franchise just changes things up a bit? (Which apparantly the next Zelda on the Wii will do)

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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Harden_hawk"]

[QUOTE="Sparky04"]It wouldn't be that hard for a game to beat Twilight Princess. Shadow of Collosus is the closest game I can compare it to and I defiently liked that more than Twilight Princess.Harden_hawk

That game's so crappy, I actually wrote a review about it.

I should do the same.

What I hated, was the mediocre camera control's. It ruined what was a crappy game anyways.

SOTC had

bad camara, barren empy worlds, ugly characters (except the monsters) No power ups weapons people to talk to nothing.

The monsters saved it.

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#30 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="nytrospawn"] Yeah, its called Phantom Hour Glass.nivet14
But it is Zelda. How about a new franchise to rival that thrown.

No one can take the thrown away from zelda.

I know I understand, but how about there is a game that can make a Zelda fan happy to play a Zelda like game.
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I doubt the game would kill Zelda, but if someone tried to make a game as Epic as Zelda and beyond I would definately be intrigue in Playing the game. Especially if it lives up to the hype of being a great game that can rival Zelda. I only say this because maybe it will force future Zeldas to be drastically different from the last knowing there is competition out there. I am a huge Zelda fan, but if I can play a Zelda like game on another system it would be awesome to play two great games.too_much_eslim
They are already trying to make Zelda games to be drastically diffrent from another. Just look at oot compared to mm, ww and ph. They only made tp because the fans wanted another zelda game like oot. They said that tp would be the last of its kind. So you can expect something truely revolutionary on the next zelda. With or w/o competition.
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#32 Zhengi
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Because Zelda is the greatest franchise ever.
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#33 Hat_Damage
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Closest thing to one is Okami, it isnt as good as some Zeldas but it kicked TPs ass
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#34 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.sexy_chimp

Yeah, its called Phantom Hour Glass.

But it is Zelda. How about a new franchise to rival that thrown.

Why do we need a new franchise? How about the zelda franchise just changes things up a bit? (Which apparantly the next Zelda on the Wii will do)

So you don't like new games. The game wouldn't entirely play like Zelda because I wouldn't want to play an exact ripoff, but what is wrong with having another great adventure game out there that isn't on a nintendo console.
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[QUOTE="nivet14"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="nytrospawn"] Yeah, its called Phantom Hour Glass.too_much_eslim
But it is Zelda. How about a new franchise to rival that thrown.

No one can take the thrown away from zelda.

I know I understand, but how about there is a game that can make a Zelda fan happy to play a Zelda like game.

Yeah, I would like that. I would have something to play between Zelda games.
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#36 too_much_eslim
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Because Zelda is the greatest franchise ever.Zhengi
So competition isn't a good thing.
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#37 FunkyHeadHunter
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Well Dark Cloud was supposed to be kind of a Zelda killer...but it never took hold..
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[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="nytrospawn"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] Never said anything would, but wouldn't you want a good game that felt like Zelda but probably better in some areas.too_much_eslim

Yeah, its called Phantom Hour Glass.

But it is Zelda. How about a new franchise to rival that thrown.

Why do we need a new franchise? How about the zelda franchise just changes things up a bit? (Which apparantly the next Zelda on the Wii will do)

So you don't like new games. The game wouldn't entirely play like Zelda because I wouldn't want to play an exact ripoff, but what is wrong with having another great adventure game out there that isn't on a nintendo console.

Well, Zelda is unique. Getting one only once in a while is a good thing. If I constantly had a new Zelda-like game to play, it would get boring.

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The closest thing was Okami. Zelda is one hard one to beat.

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#40 KungfuKitten
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It's almost as if developers automatically think 'Gold Mine!' when they see a game selling very well.
So they bring out similar games, and are send home crying.
Because there was no gold mine.
There was only a truly good game.

(See WoW and the crying developers that followed.)

I can see Your thought though. It could be succesful, but it's hard.
There have been attempts, they never took off.
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I doubt the game would kill Zelda, but if someone tried to make a game as Epic as Zelda and beyond I would definately be intrigue in Playing the game. Especially if it lives up to the hype of being a great game that can rival Zelda. I only say this because maybe it will force future Zeldas to be drastically different from the last knowing there is competition out there. I am a huge Zelda fan, but if I can play a Zelda like game on another system it would be awesome to play two great games.Silenthps
They are already trying to make Zelda games to be drastically diffrent from another. Just look at oot compared to mm, ww and ph. They only made tp because the fans wanted another zelda game like oot. They said that tp would be the last of its kind. So you can expect something truely revolutionary on the next zelda. With or w/o competition.

Competition forces games to be better. After TP I am concerned about the franchise. I think they need a game to force them to make the best revolutionary game so that theZelda franchise would still be the best even when competition stepped up its game.
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[QUOTE="Zhengi"]Because Zelda is the greatest franchise ever.too_much_eslim
So competition isn't a good thing.

No, it's more like no franchise will reach Zelda's level. People call TP crap, but any developer out there would have loved to have that title under their name. For me though, I didn't think TP was crap. I actually liked it a lot and thought it was great.

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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]Because Zelda is the greatest franchise ever.Zhengi

So competition isn't a good thing.

No, it's more like no franchise will reach Zelda's level. People call TP crap, but any developer out there would have loved to have that title under their name. For me though, I didn't think TP was crap. I actually liked it a lot and thought it was great.

I am one of those who thinks TP was crap. If the next Zelda is as bad as this game I am going to cry. So I want a game just as good as Zelda not on a Nintendo system.
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[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]Because Zelda is the greatest franchise ever.too_much_eslim

So competition isn't a good thing.

No, it's more like no franchise will reach Zelda's level. People call TP crap, but any developer out there would have loved to have that title under their name. For me though, I didn't think TP was crap. I actually liked it a lot and thought it was great.

I am one of those who thinks TP was crap. If the next Zelda is as bad as this game I am going to cry. So I want a game just as good as Zelda not on a Nintendo system.

They said the next Zelda is going to do something different and not be an OOT clone.

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there is, its called beyond oasis ;)
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#46 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="sexy_chimp"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Why do we need a new franchise? How about the zelda franchise just changes things up a bit? (Which apparantly the next Zelda on the Wii will do)

sexy_chimp

So you don't like new games. The game wouldn't entirely play like Zelda because I wouldn't want to play an exact ripoff, but what is wrong with having another great adventure game out there that isn't on a nintendo console.

Well, Zelda is unique. Getting one only once in a while is a good thing. If I constantly had a new Zelda-like game to play, it would get boring.

I hear what you are saying as I do not want a lot of Zelda like clones, but I do want one that can be comparable and put in the same sentence as Zelda. Good adventure games are hard to come by so I would love for something else just like Zelda.
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]Because Zelda is the greatest franchise ever.sexy_chimp

So competition isn't a good thing.

No, it's more like no franchise will reach Zelda's level. People call TP crap, but any developer out there would have loved to have that title under their name. For me though, I didn't think TP was crap. I actually liked it a lot and thought it was great.

I am one of those who thinks TP was crap. If the next Zelda is as bad as this game I am going to cry. So I want a game just as good as Zelda not on a Nintendo system.

They said the next Zelda is going to do something different and not be an OOT clone.

I know they said that, and I have high hopes for it, but I would love to play another game like it. It will help pass the time between Zelda games since only two are made for every console since it went 3D.
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#48 Zhengi
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[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]Because Zelda is the greatest franchise ever.too_much_eslim

So competition isn't a good thing.

No, it's more like no franchise will reach Zelda's level. People call TP crap, but any developer out there would have loved to have that title under their name. For me though, I didn't think TP was crap. I actually liked it a lot and thought it was great.

I am one of those who thinks TP was crap. If the next Zelda is as bad as this game I am going to cry. So I want a game just as good as Zelda not on a Nintendo system.

That's fine. There are many people who hated Wind Waker and I thought it was great too. So I don't expect everyone to love Zelda. However, the quality of the game is top notch and you can't argue that any developer out there wouldn't want these titles.

Nintendo tries to revolutionize the Zelda series with every reiteration. From 2D to 3D to Masks to Cell Shading, they've tried to do different things with each game to give it freshness. TP was the only one that went back to the roots of OoT as it was service to its fans. This is the main reason Zelda is so great and tough to beat. If devs want to make a Zelda killer, they have to get out of the formulas that work and try to come up with new ideas to keep their franchise fresh. You know for sure that Nintendo will always be trying to make Zelda feel new with every new title.

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Zelda is a bit of a hard one to top... considering it pretty much invented the action adventure genre, and then reinvented it in 3D. Zelda has a lot of history, and therefore a lot of experience in making a quality action adventure game. I don't think it needs competition for the formula to get switched up though, it's common knowledge that the next Zelda game we see is likelyto be drastically different from the current ones.
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Zelda is a bit of a hard one to top... considering it pretty much invented the action adventure genre, and then reinvented it in 3D. Zelda has a lot of history, and therefore a lot of experience in making a quality action adventure game. I don't think it needs competition for the formula to get switched up though, it's common knowledge that the next Zelda game we see is likely ot be drastically different from the current ones.REVOLUTIONfreak
I do not expect the game to top Zelda, but it will be just as enjoyable.