Used game sales nearly as bad as piracy?

But then we also did studies on sort of how many unique users there were on the PSN network and Xbox Live. And realized, you know what, there's over three million people that have played Dead Space. Maybe we've only sold 1.5 million

Yes it is.

Rentals are bad as well, but at least they do get some money from them.

people sell their games. it's always happened.

a lot of games are short. but are £40. so people sell it on.

a lot of people buy a game but are dissappointed so sell it on.

No. No, its not

games should have a price drop at least every 6 months... or 3 moths if the game is not selling well. One of the reasons I got Uncharted used was because I didnt want to pay full price for a game that came out in 2007.

I buy used games (from Ebay mostly). :\ $60 for a 7 hour game just isn't my cup of tea...sorry EA.killab2oo5

you could argue that if used game stores didn't exist prices would go down.

that does work both ways though.

a lot of people buy a game but are dissappointed so sell it on.

CwlHeddwyn

people sell their games. it's always happened.

a lot of games are short. but are £40. so people sell it on.

a lot of people buy a game but are dissappointed so sell it on.

CwlHeddwyn

I'm not accusing you or anything, but why do the reasons pirates present get shot down but these don't? What you're doing is even worse: making money where the developer doesn't.

It's just more hypocritical bull.

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

people sell their games. it's always happened.

a lot of games are short. but are £40. so people sell it on.

a lot of people buy a game but are dissappointed so sell it on.

Firebird-5

I'm not accusing you or anything, but why do the reasons pirates present get shot down but these don't? What you're doing is even worse: making money where the developer doesn't.

It's just more hypocritical bull.

because selling used games isn't illegal...

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

people sell their games. it's always happened.

a lot of games are short. but are £40. so people sell it on.

a lot of people buy a game but are dissappointed so sell it on.

Firebird-5

I'm not accusing you or anything, but why do the reasons pirates present get shot down but these don't? What you're doing is even worse: making money where the developer doesn't.

It's just more hypocritical bull.

piratism? lol! of course not...

EA is just greedy.

maybe its just me, but i only rent games i wouldnt buy in the first place.... in other words, EA wouldnt have my money anyway

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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

people sell their games. it's always happened.

a lot of games are short. but are £40. so people sell it on.

a lot of people buy a game but are dissappointed so sell it on.

Richymisiak

I'm not accusing you or anything, but why do the reasons pirates present get shot down but these don't? What you're doing is even worse: making money where the developer doesn't.

It's just more hypocritical bull.

I never said that, did I? You sure can, just don't turn around and call pirates scum when what you're doing is arguably worse.

No way. Reselling your games, trading or lending to friends, and renting games is not a BAD thing. It's part of the culture surrounding all media, and it's been that way for decades. If a friend comes over and I find he has never seen an all time favorite movie of mine, I lend him the copy. When I'm looking for a classic album, I go to the used music store. Getting bored with one of your games? Trade it for a friends completed game. There isn't anythign wrong with that.

The Beatles have been heard the world over. No matter how many ten of millions of albums they have sold, more people have heard them than bought them. But that isn't a bad thing. Sharing, lending, trading, and selling your property isn't piracy. It's your right as a property owner.

If they want to change software from selling it to a limited use liscence, I'll go along, but at the same time I would spend more than 10 bucks on a title. If I own a title, I'm not gonna feel bad for excersizing my rights as an owner. If they want to treat me like a renter, then I'll pay rental prices.

The fact of the matter is that Piracy creates a copy of the game that isn't paid for. Reselling/trading/lending/borrowing games is transferring your rights to a piece of your property to another for a time, or forever. You aren't creating anything new. And no more people are using a title at any given time than that have paid the creator for it.

those are from rentals and double/triple psn accounts .a 10% maybe from selling.they cant do anything about it,actually they can lower the %$#@^%@ price after a time period so used games wont be an issue,but as i said before it wont help renting and the account issue

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

I'm not accusing you or anything, but why do the reasons pirates present get shot down but these don't? What you're doing is even worse: making money where the developer doesn't.

It's just more hypocritical bull.

Firebird-5

I never said that, did I? You sure can, just don't turn around and call pirates scum when what you're doing is arguably worse.

I agree that buying used games from Gamestop is bad. I am biased because any time they buy a new title for 30 bucks tops, and turn around and sell it for 55, I feel I get gipped. Never done it, but younger bro has, and told him better to sell on ebay.

Anyways I digress. It's bad becuase developers need to recoup money, and what not in order to want to develop for any p latform. If they dont' see a profit, this may steer them away from platforms, as Activision has threatened to do with ps3 (since software attach rates are low, activison beleives high ps3 price is not allowing more people to buy ps3...etc.) What I have to say to that is if developers focused on making games that are worthwhile, have a great sp mode (and lengthy), offered more replay value, and mp (I don't care much for this since I don't game online), then I have no problem paying full price for games. But don't make mp the main focus with a short sp----COD games. I actually prefer new games, since I am extremely picky. But if they keep making crap like Damnation, and selling it at 60 bucks, or putting out broken games like Socom:Confrontation, that need to be patched later (multiple times I may add), then no I don't think they warrant my 60 bucks. I may be tempted to buy used, but most of the time I buy certain games on price cuts.

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

people sell their games. it's always happened.

a lot of games are short. but are £40. so people sell it on.

a lot of people buy a game but are dissappointed so sell it on.

Firebird-5

I'm not accusing you or anything, but why do the reasons pirates present get shot down but these don't? What you're doing is even worse: making money where the developer doesn't.

It's just more hypocritical bull.

besides people sell houses, cars etc no difference here.

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]I buy used games (from Ebay mostly). :\ $60 for a 7 hour game just isn't my cup of tea...sorry EA.finesse-gamer

you could argue that if used game stores didn't exist prices would go down.

that does work both ways though.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"] so you're not allowed to sell something you've purchased?Richymisiak

I never said that, did I? You sure can, just don't turn around and call pirates scum when what you're doing is arguably worse.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"] so you're not allowed to sell something you've purchased?Richymisiak

I never said that, did I? You sure can, just don't turn around and call pirates scum when what you're doing is arguably worse.

How observant. But you shouldn't be turning a blind eye to one practice while slapping the wrist of a pirate.

used game sales aren't as bad because atleast money and the economy is running when it comes to pirating no money is changing hands between the host and the downloaders.

as for that if used game sales were a problem for such a recent game then maybe the game shouldn't have sucked so much people sold the game.

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

I never said that, did I? You sure can, just don't turn around and call pirates scum when what you're doing is arguably worse.

Firebird-5

How observant. But you shouldn't be turning a blind eye to one practice while slapping the wrist of a pirate.

when i was a poor student if it wasnt for trade in's i wouldnt of been able to be a game i dont think are local EB (when they were in the UK) used to let you return a game within 10 days for a full refund.. for any reason. man is sooooo abused that.

but luckly now i can buy 1 maybe 2 games a month and not have to worry about trading or returning. and as i have alot less gaming time a 6-7 hour game can take weeks to finish if im rotating betwwen a few.

used game sales aren't as bad because atleast money and the economy is running when it comes to pirating no money is changing hands between the host and the downloaders.

as for that if used game sales were a problem for such a recent game then maybe the game shouldn't have sucked so much people sold the game.

WilliamRLBaker

Wow lol, this happens to many games. Dead Space is also an awesome game.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"] but you're saying selling something you've purchased is 'even worse' than pirating itRichymisiak

How observant. But you shouldn't be turning a blind eye to one practice while slapping the wrist of a pirate.

There's nothing wrong with it, other than the fact you are gaining money while the dev is not.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"] but you're saying selling something you've purchased is 'even worse' than pirating itRichymisiak

How observant. But you shouldn't be turning a blind eye to one practice while slapping the wrist of a pirate.

It isn't legally wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that developers get no money from it. Which is the same thing as piracy, just legal.

when i was a poor student if it wasnt for trade in's i wouldnt of been able to be a game i dont think are local EB (when they were in the UK) used to let you return a game within 10 days for a full refund.. for any reason. man is sooooo abused that.

but luckly now i can buy 1 maybe 2 games a month and not have to worry about trading or returning. and as i have alot less gaming time a 6-7 hour game can take weeks to finish if im rotating betwwen a few.

doobie1975

used game sales aren't as bad because atleast money and the economy is running when it comes to pirating no money is changing hands between the host and the downloaders.

as for that if used game sales were a problem for such a recent game then maybe the game shouldn't have sucked so much people sold the game.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

How observant. But you shouldn't be turning a blind eye to one practice while slapping the wrist of a pirate.

Espada12

There's nothing wrong with it, other than the fact you are gaining money while the dev is not.

the exact same thing happens with used cars... yet nobody cries about that

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

How observant. But you shouldn't be turning a blind eye to one practice while slapping the wrist of a pirate.

Espada12

There's nothing wrong with it, other than the fact you are gaining money while the dev is not.

I hate buying used games because I like everything to be in perfect condition. When the game is used I don't know the condition of the game, or the Manual or case. Everything needs to be perfect.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"] but that relies on you thinking that selling something you've purchased legally is somehow wrongogvampire

There's nothing wrong with it, other than the fact you are gaining money while the dev is not.

the exact same thing happens with used cars... yet nobody cries about that

And look at the american car industry now :)

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

I never said that, did I? You sure can, just don't turn around and call pirates scum when what you're doing is arguably worse.

Firebird-5

How observant. But you shouldn't be turning a blind eye to one practice while slapping the wrist of a pirate.

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

How observant. But you shouldn't be turning a blind eye to one practice while slapping the wrist of a pirate.

Firebird-5

It isn't legally wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that developers get no money from it. Which is the same thing as piracy, just legal.

so people selling used cars is considered piracy?

What really needs to change is that Game Retailers that specialize in used games should not be allowed to sell used versions of a game until a set amount of time after it is released.

BUT trading in games is not illegal unlike pirating 8)

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"] but that relies on you thinking that selling something you've purchased legally is somehow wrongRichymisiak

There's nothing wrong with it, other than the fact you are gaining money while the dev is not.

Normally you pay out of pocket for houses as in, you are in the position the dev is in.. not someone else. But just look at that, there are x2 the amount of users who have played the game rather than bought it. Understand as a dev it must feel the same way as piracy.

What really needs to change is that Game Retailers that specialize in used games should not be allowed to sell used versions of a game until a set amount of time after it is released.

There should be a mandatory 1-2 month hold from a game's initial release before they are allowed to sell a used version.

What really needs to change is that Game Retailers that specialize in used games should not be allowed to sell used versions of a game until a set amount of time after it is released.

CajunShooter

This is fair.

it's called free market economics.

you buy something- you can sell it on.

works with a car, with a house and video games.

if you couldn't sell your video games on I bet video games sales would plummet. Personally I don't trade my games in, I keep them although I probably should since I've got a lot of games I haven't played in a while.

BUT trading in games is not illegal unlike pirating 8)

sikanderahmed

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

There's nothing wrong with it, other than the fact you are gaining money while the dev is not.

Espada12

the exact same thing happens with used cars... yet nobody cries about that

And look at the american car industry now :)

lol! the american car industry is in trouble because of the used car industry? thats a new one... did you just make it up?

What really needs to change is that Game Retailers that specialize in used games should not be allowed to sell used versions of a game until a set amount of time after it is released.

There should be a mandatory 1-2 month hold from a game's initial release before they are allowed to sell a used version.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"] but that relies on you thinking that selling something you've purchased legally is somehow wrongRichymisiak

There's nothing wrong with it, other than the fact you are gaining money while the dev is not.

The automotive industry and others are very different from the games industry. I honestly don't know how you're drawing parallels.

I hope you understand, I'm not trying to argue my viewpoint. I haven't even presented it. I'm simply saying you shouldn't berate pirates when you're doing the exact same thing (pretty much).