(Un)official (maybe sorta) Revote of Using GS Scores in SW (Sticky?)

[QUOTE="Tiefster"][QUOTE="hamidious"]Can we officially say we'll be using Gamerankings from now on?MikeE21286

It's getting up there (for SW) - 668 votes

You can't use Gamespots scores anymore. If they were willing to terminate Jeff over this its because they intend to change things around here. Why would any of us even bother to come here anymore anyway. I am about to get banned because of another post I made here after over 4000 posts and years of coming here but this is it. GameSpot has no credibility - clearly the new management aims to soften up reviews for major advertisers and they were willing to fire the staff for this.

Its a simple thing. Why would anyone ever trust this site again???

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[QUOTE="Tiefster"][QUOTE="hamidious"]Can we officially say we'll be using Gamerankings from now on?Tiefster

It's getting up there (for SW) - 668 votes

well congratz :D popular threads always feel good.....I think this will eventually turn into the "official" one

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[QUOTE="Tiefster"][QUOTE="hamidious"]Can we officially say we'll be using Gamerankings from now on?MikeE21286

It's getting up there (for SW) - 668 votes

well congratz :D popular threads always feel good.....I think this will eventually turn into the "official" one

This is the only realistic place I can post these thoughts, and they pertain, so here goes:

The recent events have called into question all futher reviews at Gamespot and as a result system wars. While the details are still left to be sifted throught, what we know is that a certainexplaination of the event has been anonymously reported, and subsequetly reported all over the gaming internet community. Up to the time of this writing CNet has given no reply to the accusations other than the usual spin. Similarly, we have hear nothing from the people intimately involved in the affair, namely the emplyees. While I know that they are restricted by their employer to not saying anything, it is funny that now conflicting accounts, now "HECK NO!"s are coming to us, at the very least annonymously. Here their livlihood is floundering and all we have heard is, "yea, it stinks, it's sad, we understand, but please don't forget us." While I understand and agree, for there at manyemployed bythis site that are in no way involved in this affair, it does not take away from the issue at hand.

The integrity of future reviews at Gamespot is called into question because, unless Cnet, Gamespot, and all parties involved can give an adequate account for the rumors and recent events, we the gamers must take into account the quite likely possibility that the review and scores are affected by how much money Gamespot receives to advertise. While I don't suppose to question the integrity of any of the reviewers at this site, the fact is that if they actually believe that they could get sacked for giving the wrong game a bad score, then they may have to weigh the livelihood of their families against a couple of review points. It may never happen, but we have to believe, unless shown otherwise, that it is a concern for the reviewer. Personally, if I lived in San Francisco and had a couple of kids, it may be hard not to swing a game a positive review. Heck their only video games, and it'll only help the industry by getting more games sold.

However, this doesn't help us the gamers. Thus, while I wait for a decent explaination to come from the companies involved, as things stand, we must find a new standard for system wars reviews. I haven't decided which, so I haven't voted, and if it turns out that the rumors were just that, so much the better. Yet as we continue to wait, things look bleaker for Gamespot.

Heck, even systemwars.com is talking about voting for a new review standard.

Heck, even systemwars.com is talking about voting for a new review standard.

Insane00

I say either Gametrailers or Ign. They have the best reviews IMO.

Wanderer5

Then go to the IGN fourms and post there...

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I say either Gametrailers or Ign. They have the best reviews IMO.

Wasdie

Then go to the IGN fourms and post there...

I wonder if those voting for GR or MC would aprove of cutting the obviously Biased reviewers from the Average.Jynxzor

I'm still with GS scores on this one.DaysAirlines

Of Course You would. You favor the X360 as do the scores they get here.

I wonder if those voting for GR or MC would aprove of cutting the obviously Biased reviewers from the Average.Jynxzor

Those reviews carry their share of Under rating games and some over rating games. The Average will best reflect the quality of the game.

I say either Gametrailers or Ign. They have the best reviews IMO.

Wanderer5

I love the IGN scores. I personally look trailers, Gameplay Vid etc etc and personally I have a score in my head, Now when IGn give there score it pretty much what I was thinking.

When they rated AC 7.7 and 7.5 While mostly all other were high AA low AAA they justified it with explaing the framerate issues and with the foundation of the gameplay being weak with the rythm based fight scenes

I do however think GR is best since. It give us like 40 other scores. I just look at the average, Then I'd look at the average between the other major gaming sites and then I know if a game is worth a damn

Just like the old saying a 1000 french men can't be wrong.

The Game Spot standard in System Wars should be done away with, and replaced with N O T H I N G.

As far as I'm concerned a bunch of tainted reviews averaged together is no better than one tainted review.

I've said this before I will say it again, GR doesn't work. Never has, never will. In theory it works but if you actually take a second to think about it, you will realize all the inconsistancies amongst the reviews posted there.... to many different review systems, too many different reviewing standards, too much bias amongst more than HALF the publications posted there. More than HALF are owned by a particular console company or are in some major way affiliated with it and give out extremely high scores very often.

Also, think about this. Do you REALLY think that CNET is going to interfere again after what has happened? 1,000 subscriptions were cancelled because of this. That is an INSANE amount of yearly revenue for them. WAY, WAY more than they get from any one advertiser yearly.... CNET would have to be stupid to make a mistake like this again.... Gamespot scores are going to be clean of advertiser influence now because CNET won't even try to push the reviewers to do anything else they will risk another scandal like this and thousands more subscriptions.... And publishers won't do it anymore after see what has happened to Edios with thousands of people boycotting Edios and Edios' website getting bombed with hate posts....

GS should stay.

Its an anarchy and thus we can individually use what ever we want. Its not an exact rule that we must use GS or GR so all the arguments about what we should use are moot.

i say we do away with hype threads and everyone gets their own scores from wherever they want. And then use system wars to discuss/debate games. We cant use GR/Metacritic because an AAA game one week might be AA the next.Broman6015

yeah, hype system needs to be gone.

i say we do away with hype threads and everyone gets their own scores from wherever they want. And then use system wars to discuss/debate games. We cant use GR/Metacritic because an AAA game one week might be AA the next.Broman6015

yeah, hype system needs to be gone.

Its an anarchy and thus we can individually use what ever we want. Its not an exact rule that we must use GS or GR so all the arguments about what we should use are moot.

meetroid8

I say, we change the hype system to "Who has paid the most for advertisements?" and we place bets off the score and "tone" of future reviews.

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Its an anarchy and thus we can individually use what ever we want. Its not an exact rule that we must use GS or GR so all the arguments about what we should use are moot.

BreakingPoint8

I say, we change the hype system to "Who has paid the most for advertisements?" and we place bets off the score and "tone" of future reviews.

To all you people who keep saying that GR isn't constant, who freaking cares? Most of the games will fall into their AAA, AA, A, and other categories when averaged out. Very few games will scorewise be fluctuating back and forth between thresholds. So it's BS how you all keep harping on the changing due to some games going through it.

All you people who hype games just care that it's AAA, AA, A, etc. Who cares if it's 97% or 94%? It's still AAA.

To all you people who keep saying that GR isn't constant, who freaking cares? Most of the games will fall into their AAA, AA, A, and other categories when averaged out. Very few games will scorewise be fluctuating back and forth between thresholds. So it's BS how you all keep harping on the changing due to some games going through it.

All you people who hype games just care that it's AAA, AA, A, etc. Who cares if it's 97% or 94%? It's still AAA.

Zhengi

The main complaint is that there are instances where a game can start off AAA, then drop to AA, then go back up to AAA.....etc. It would get annoying.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

To all you people who keep saying that GR isn't constant, who freaking cares? Most of the games will fall into their AAA, AA, A, and other categories when averaged out. Very few games will scorewise be fluctuating back and forth between thresholds. So it's BS how you all keep harping on the changing due to some games going through it.

All you people who hype games just care that it's AAA, AA, A, etc. Who cares if it's 97% or 94%? It's still AAA.

MikeE21286

The main complaint is that there are instances where a game can start off AAA, then drop to AA, then go back up to AAA.....etc. It would get annoying.

Right, but this doesn't happen with the majority of games. It happens to a few of them. And even if it did, it just makes it more unpredictable and perhaps even fun seeing a game go from meeting hype to flopping to meeting hype again. Systems wars would explode.

So instead of choosing a system that works with most games, people are going to let the few games that fluctuate between scores be the major detriment?

It doesnt matter what you people vote for here. Its always going to be based on gamespot scores.. I dont see why this has suddenly changed because a guy flamed a game and reviewed it in a very bad manner...dipper145

The point is, the GS monkey overlords fired Jeff because he gave an honest review... It's not the content we care about, it's the fact that the GS overlords want to take bribes to give games better scores than they deserve...

Ive come to the conslusion that we can't trust ANY major videogaming website.

IGN has had the whole Kane & Lynch babe contest blown to hell over there for the past few weeks, GameSpy is directly affiliated with them, 1up has had and still has ads running for K&L, plus all three of those websites gave K&L at least a 7.0. All GameRankings is going to do is compile all of these questionable scores together. Lets face it, SystemWars is null as far as reviews go.

Though you know, I do praise what Jeff did. He said it like it was... Just like with the TP review, oh I'm a nintendo fanboy, and I loved the game, but agreed with him on that too...

And you know, if he had to get fired, it's best he did for an honorable cause...

It doesnt matter what you people vote for here. Its always going to be based on gamespot scores.. I dont see why this has suddenly changed because a guy flamed a game and reviewed it in a very bad manner...dipper145

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/01/ziff-davis-staff-holds-impromptu-gamespot-rally/

http://www.gamespot.com/users/AaronThomas/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25234883

http://www.gamespot.com/users/AlexN/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25234567

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Bethany/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25234794

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Carrie/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25234233

http://www.gamespot.com/users/GregK/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25235127

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Kevin-V/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25234747

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Richie-G/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25233965

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Ryan/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25235387

Why not what I think of the game.

Face it people this is nothing new, all sites do this BS.

It's the reason why I just give smirks when I hear people using reviews to pwn one another.

Why not what I think of the game.

Face it people this is nothing new, all sites do this BS.

It's the reason why I just give smirks when I hear people using reviews to pwn one another.

Gunraidan

True, but alas, thanks to this tradegy I feel like an idiot now for defending editors when they gave out reviews that the majority was unhappy with. IGN, GS, GameSpy, 1up, etc. all have zero cred in my opinion now because I know they all had some money-under-the-table mess going on. Looks like i'll have to go back to my PS1-era kid method of buying and playing games, judging a game just by the cover, heh.Frexie

Why not use the method of looking up a game through previews or info. in magazines or sites and if it looks interesting buy it?

Look I know everyone is in a shellshock of what's been happening but honestly do other sites not do the same?

This is why I don't pay attention to review scores they in no way determine a games quality. The recent Fire Emblem and Castlevania got points knocked down for being "too hardcore". So if a game gives the gaming enthuiasts their fix they get lowered for being "too good of a game"? Review scores have never been based off of quality but sheer appealing, and it's done this way to not only keep the advertisers happy but the site users happy. Every time a hyped game gets a bad score the forums explode. "Mass Effect didn't get AAA?!", "OMFG at Uncharted!", etc. People complain about gaming today being all flash and no substance yet they complain when games get low score and with the explination being all flash and no substance people complain. :|

Think about this for a sec. are the games that get AAA on this site and other sites in general are those really the best games you've played? I found myself rolling my eyes when playing Bioshock, New Super Mario Bros., and Halo 3. Why isn't Zone of the Enders 2 highly regarded in the gaming community? Why isn't Red Orchestra highly regarded in the gaming community? Why isn't Digimon World (play the game before laughing) highly regared in the gaming community? It seems that in todays world if you want a hit within gaming all you need to do is hype the hell out of it, put some neat special effects, have it play slightly above average, and viola you have a legend of a gaming generation. What happened to picking the games that appeal to you most or looked the most intresting instead of simply following what everyone else is interested in, trying to show off with your l33t gaming collection, or jumping ship onto the next big thing?

How can a single opinion determinate the quality of a game?It would be better if we switch to gamerankings.