Too Human Discussion Thread - Keep it Here (Or Face Suspension)!

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#151 Vandalvideo
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Games that came before it in a similar genre?Put it this way, if it's not better than games from years ago, what is the point of comparing it to the current generation efforts?esides, how many DMC clones with analogue combat can we compare it to. What do YOU think it can be compared to?inertk
Which would be fine and dandy if gamespot didn't review games based on the SAME PLATFORM. What else is there on the 360 that is so much like Too Human that it would warrant such a low score?
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#152 EVOLV3
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vs. MikeE21286


lol @ Damage Control. Lair wasnt a game 10 years in the making, youd expect with 10 years of dev time you can get a game to score good.
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#153 slystallion26
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[QUOTE="inertk"]

Oh wait, it's worse than Phantasy Star Universe going by GS.\

subrosian

Which would prove that GS underrated it - I have 1000 / 1250 achievement points in Phantasy Star Universe - and 30+ hours of game time on it, I have played the game heavily, and without a doubt it was the worst game I have spent more than an hour or two playing.

Too Human is a 7 ~ 8 range game that is being consistently underrated - it does not deserve to be compared to PSU or Lair, and alas, it is unfortunate that it doesn't reflect in the ratings - it's a love / hate game and Kevin hates it, *shrug* oh well.

-

That said, who cares? I've been saying for months that Too Human would get poor reviews, and that those reviews don't mean anything - this was expected, it's a misunderstood game, and in the long run it really doesn't make any difference for gamers - though it does reflect poorly on gaming journalism.

hahaha

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#154 Vandalvideo
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]You're arguing a moot point. Reviews are supposed to tell us how good a game is, and whether or not its worth spending our money on. You could have the most creative game in the world, but if its not fun, or broken, then it shouldn't be played.DrinkDuff
You're right, reviewers are supposedto tell us how good the game is, but how am I supposed to take their word for it if I can't even identify where they got the yardstick from?
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#155 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="rocoswav"]so will there still be a trilogy??Cyberfairy

Talk about one mediocre trilogy.

you really think they won't improve the second one?

I don't know I was just saying something to say something. Lets hope they do cause a trilogy of 5.5 games? Come on seriously.

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#156 -Ninja_Dog-
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[QUOTE="inertk"]Games that came before it in a similar genre?Put it this way, if it's not better than games from years ago, what is the point of comparing it to the current generation efforts?esides, how many DMC clones with analogue combat can we compare it to. What do YOU think it can be compared to?Vandalvideo
Which would be fine and dandy if gamespot didn't review games based on the SAME PLATFORM. What else is there on the 360 that is so much like Too Human that it would warrant such a low score?

Fustration can do that.

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#157 AgentA-Mi6
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Hehe--most of you know I like causing commotion in System Wars the day of a fun review! It makes the day end well.Kevin-V

I'll always remember the day you gave a 10.0 to Mgs4 :lol:

I couldn't agree more with a review, seriously.

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#158 SSCyborg
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Hehe--most of you know I like causing commotion in System Wars the day of a fun review! It makes the day end well.Kevin-V

Do you know when we can expect a Tales of Vesperia review?

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#159 subrosian
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[QUOTE="subrosian"]

:D

Can't wait for release day!

sargentbotk

Lmao, good job by being a gamer :D. Hey admit ownage as well. It's better than someone else doing it for you and laughing in the process.

:)

What ownage? I've been saying for months it would get mixed reviews, and it has! Weird - must be my psychic powers :P

Reviews scores are for people who don't know their own tastes. Me? I'm excited for this game - it could get a 0.5 and I'd be there day one getting it. At some point you have to learn to be a gamer and make up your own mind - who knows, maybe I'm that target audience that loves Norse mythology and subtle complexity - hey, whatever, to me it's a game like Lost Odyssey, where I'm left going "why the hate?".

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#160 VanHelsingBoA64
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I can see a crap load of lemmings comming up with "bu bu Kevin = teh sony faboi :cry:" :lol:
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#161 usmcjdk6
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Any newb who watched the gameplay video KNEW this game was going to blow. I called 6.0 in the hype thread. THe combat, which is the meat of the game looks terrible. I don't want freaking Diablo on my console. I WANT MORE GOD OF WAR AND NINJA GAIDEN.
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#162 Cyberfairy
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Not Lair bad but wow :lol:

:lol: at everyone who hyped it AA

VanHelsingBoA64

lol all you want. Too Human looked promising, alot. How can it be anyones fault for believing the game would be better then what it really was.

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#163 Hoobinator
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]A good concept is irrelevant when the game is lousy. You're just trying to justify hyping a bad game.DrinkDuff
I *never* hyped Too Human. I've merely pointed out the flaws in the way that the media is looking at the game. For all intents and purposes this game IS a first among colleagues. What else is there in this genre on the consoles that are so much better that this game would warrant a 5.5?

You're arguing a moot point. Reviews are supposed to tell us how good a game is, and whether or not its worth spending our money on. You could have the most creative game in the world, but if its not fun, or broken, then it shouldn't be played.

Completely agree. It is nigh on impossible to just compare a game and rate it based on others within its field. You've got to take a broader look at the whole game, technical criteria which defies even genres i.e. FPS issues, game crashes etc, and then you also compare it, (maybe even on a subconscious level) with the totality of all your gaming experience.

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#164 inertk
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[QUOTE="inertk"]Games that came before it in a similar genre?Put it this way, if it's not better than games from years ago, what is the point of comparing it to the current generation efforts?esides, how many DMC clones with analogue combat can we compare it to. What do YOU think it can be compared to?Vandalvideo
Which would be fine and dandy if gamespot didn't review games based on the SAME PLATFORM. What else is there on the 360 that is so much like Too Human that it would warrant such a low score?

Lmao, probably DMC4. The combat is basically ripped from DMC anyway, except they broke it on the way.

Since it placed itself as an Action Style RPG with all that phat lewt. Probably action titles, and you know. RPGS?

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#165 AgentA-Mi6
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[QUOTE="Cyberfairy"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="rocoswav"]so will there still be a trilogy??Ragnarok1051

Talk about one mediocre trilogy.

you really think they won't improve the second one?

I don't know I was just saying something to say something. Lets hope they do cause a trilogy of 5.5 games? Come on seriously.

It all depends on how good too flop sells.

Great sales will lead to sequels.

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#166 II-FBIsniper-II
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Hehe--most of you know I like causing commotion in System Wars the day of a fun review! It makes the day end well.Kevin-V
You should post here more often. :P
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#167 darklord888
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[QUOTE="Cyberfairy"][QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Didn't expect much higher, although that does seem a little low. Be prepared for people to say it's the most underrated game of the generation...Kevin-V

If you read the preview here on GS , they sound like that can't get enough of it.

Which is pretty confusing.

I guess SK didn't pay to get high scores

:roll:



I know! They should have at leasy paid the big sites.




[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

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#168 Mongo-Boss
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[QUOTE="inertk"]Games that came before it in a similar genre?Put it this way, if it's not better than games from years ago, what is the point of comparing it to the current generation efforts?esides, how many DMC clones with analogue combat can we compare it to. What do YOU think it can be compared to?Vandalvideo
Which would be fine and dandy if gamespot didn't review games based on the SAME PLATFORM. What else is there on the 360 that is so much like Too Human that it would warrant such a low score?

How many games on the PS3 were like Lair?

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#169 Cyberfairy
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Any newb who watched the gameplay video KNEW this game was going to blow. I called 6.0 in the hype thread. THe combat, which is the meat of the game looks terrible. I don't want freaking Diablo on my console. I WANT MORE GOD OF WAR AND NINJA GAIDEN.usmcjdk6

problem is that it was no ninja gaiden: on purpose. they tried to do something new but it looks like some big flaws really brought it down.

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#170 Vandalvideo
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Lmao, probably DMC4. The combat is basically ripped from DMC anyway, except they broke it on the way.Since it placed itself as an Action Style RPG with all that phat lewt. Probably action titles, and you know. RPGS?inertk
Have you even taken the time to play the demo? The combat isn't anything remotely similar to devil may cry! There are also not many other action RPG titles that are anything like Too Human.
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#171 spike6566
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man today is a sad day. i hope SK is doing ok with the results. .
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#172 Utensilman
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their is an upside. since the game blows, i don't have to buy it!!!! bring on RockBand2!!!!!
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#173 xxastrocreepxx
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Damn, I was expecting around a 6.5-8 but gamespot really hates this game. Oh well, I accept ownage and enjoy watching all the fanboys make topics and get suspensions because they don't know how to read.
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#174 Bigboi500
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Hehe--most of you know I like causing commotion in System Wars the day of a fun review! It makes the day end well.Kevin-V
Hey atleast you post like everyday posters here, most other reviewers can't be bothered to crawl in the mud with us vermin. :P
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#175 subrosian
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[QUOTE="Kevin-V"]Hehe--most of you know I like causing commotion in System Wars the day of a fun review! It makes the day end well.AgentA-Mi6

I'll always remember the day you gave a 10.0 to Mgs4 :lol:

I couldn't agree more with a review, seriously.

It's a bit odd to "agree" with a review for a game you haven't played, no? Isn't that sort of fanboyish?

Hehe--most of you know I like causing commotion in System Wars the day of a fun review! It makes the day end well.Kevin-V

Is that why you gave Too Human a 5.5 :P

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#176 TenP
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[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"]

Not Lair bad but wow :lol:

:lol: at everyone who hyped it AA

Cyberfairy

lol all you want. Too Human looked promising, alot. How can it be anyones fault for believing the game would be better then what it really was.

So did Lair.

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#177 Dualshockin
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Wow this heated up quick :lol:
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#178 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"] vs. EVOLV3


lol @ Damage Control. Lair wasnt a game 10 years in the making, youd expect with 10 years of dev time you can get a game to score good.

Haze, Lair, and Too Human....mega flops of the last year

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#179 BioShockOwnz
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Well, I'm owned. Flop. I said AA (8.5). :( Oh well, I still think 5.5 is insanely harsh.
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#180 shahchip
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I think LAIR was fixed in a patch
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#181 subrosian
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I can see a crap load of lemmings comming up with "bu bu Kevin = teh sony faboi :cry:" :lol:VanHelsingBoA64

Lemmings never liked Too Human :|

Only old-time manticores have really stood by this game, and continue to do so - hence why it's misunderstood.

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#182 sargentbotk
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[QUOTE="sargentbotk"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

:D

Can't wait for release day!

subrosian

Lmao, good job by being a gamer :D. Hey admit ownage as well. It's better than someone else doing it for you and laughing in the process.

:)

What ownage? I've been saying for months it would get mixed reviews, and it has! Weird - must be my psychic powers :P

Reviews scores are for people who don't know their own tastes. Me? I'm excited for this game - it could get a 0.5 and I'd be there day one getting it. At some point you have to learn to be a gamer and make up your own mind - who knows, maybe I'm that target audience that loves Norse mythology and subtle complexity - hey, whatever, to me it's a game like Lost Odyssey, where I'm left going "why the hate?".

Score wise lol. You didn't hype it AA? Not saying you won't enjoy it. Just score wise is all. :P

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#183 inertk
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[QUOTE="inertk"]Lmao, probably DMC4. The combat is basically ripped from DMC anyway, except they broke it on the way.Since it placed itself as an Action Style RPG with all that phat lewt. Probably action titles, and you know. RPGS?Vandalvideo
Have you even taken the time to play the demo? The combat isn't anything remotely similar to devil may cry! There are also not many other action RPG titles that are anything like Too Human.

I played the demo 1 and 1/3 times. Couldn't get through a second playthrough. :)

The fact that there aren't many titles like Too Human doesn't give it a free pass.

And yes, the juggling is straight out of DMC. Shame the actual melee combat is horrid.

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#184 Killfox
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Um can we say lair all over again. I saw this coming though. Especially after playing the demo which was piss poor. I never really expected much from this game and I am glad I didnt.
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#185 Zhengi
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So Too Human = 360's version of Lair?
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#186 Koalakommander
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!! called it from day one people. Called it as the first cinematic trailer, before any gameplay.

This game would not live up to the hype. Not that I want games to fail it's just that it makes me feel good that I'm always right. I own so hard.

(no offense to people who still love this game no matter what, I have deep respect for you as well as an inability to see what you see)

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#187 butteater86
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[QUOTE="Cyberfairy"][QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"]

Not Lair bad but wow :lol:

:lol: at everyone who hyped it AA

TenP

lol all you want. Too Human looked promising, alot. How can it be anyones fault for believing the game would be better then what it really was.

So did Lair.

Not really...

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#188 Cyberfairy
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[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]]You're arguing a moot point. Reviews are supposed to tell us how good a game is, and whether or not its worth spending our money on. You could have the most creative game in the world, but if its not fun, or broken, then it shouldn't be played.Vandalvideo
You're right, reviewers are supposedto tell us how good the game is, but how am I supposed to take their word for it if I can't even identify where they got the yardstick from?

especially confusing is it when big sites like IGN and GS scores differs from eachother with such a big margin sometimes. 7.8 and a 55?

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#189 punkrocker163
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hahahaha, owned! :lol:
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#190 Samurai_Xavier
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Its moments like this that make me feel smart for not preordering games. Sucks for all who preordered it.

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#191 VanHelsingBoA64
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[QUOTE="Cyberfairy"][QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"]

Not Lair bad but wow :lol:

:lol: at everyone who hyped it AA

TenP

lol all you want. Too Human looked promising, alot. How can it be anyones fault for believing the game would be better then what it really was.

So did Lair.

I concur.

But, anyway they're were few lemmings actually hyping it. It was mostly manticores.

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#192 LegendofNerd
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So Too Human = 360's version of Lair?Zhengi

Pretty much.

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#193 Cyberfairy
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hahahaha, owned! :lol:punkrocker163

hahahahahahaha! :roll:

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#194 789shadow
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Cows still own the biggest flop.

Too Human >> Lair

-Ninja_Dog-

That's like saying you're the smartest of the Three Stooges.:|

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#195 Koalakommander
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So Too Human = 360's version of Lair?Zhengi

Truly? Yes. They won't let you call it that though.

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#196 Legendaryscmt
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Did a lot worse than I expected.
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#197 SSCyborg
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[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"]I can see a crap load of lemmings comming up with "bu bu Kevin = teh sony faboi :cry:" :lol:subrosian

Lemmings never liked Too Human :|

Only old-time manticores have really stood by this game, and continue to do so - hence why it's misunderstood.

I'm a lemming. :|

Just one who's a little short on cash.

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#198 0rbs
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L

O

L

@ anybody who thought this would be a diablo killer.

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#199 Vandalvideo
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The fact that there aren't many titles like Too Human doesn't give it a free pass. And yes, the juggling is straight out of DMC. Shame the actual melee combat is horridinertk
Juggling, you think it sould be compared to DMC because it has JUGGLING? Its an action role playing game with combat that isn't anything remotely similar to Devil may cry. And I'm not saying that just because there aren't many titlse like Too Human that it SHOULD get a free pass. I'm merely asking where the crap the yard stick to give it such a harsh score game from.
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#200 Chaos_HL21
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Getting it when it comes out, although Fay may delay the shipment.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"]Hehe--most of you know I like causing commotion in System Wars the day of a fun review! It makes the day end well.subrosian

I'll always remember the day you gave a 10.0 to Mgs4 :lol:

I couldn't agree more with a review, seriously.

It's a bit odd to "agree" with a review for a game you haven't played, no? Isn't that sort of fanboyish?

I think he was walking about the MGS 4 review.