Too Human Discussion Thread - Keep it Here (Or Face Suspension)!

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] And all those posts clearly illustrate that I had no vested interest in protecting the game.blushield

• Cutscenes, animations and voice acting like this are "perfectly fine" (WARNING HILARIOUS CONTENT!!)

I really don't see what is wrong with the voice acting in this game, if you actually played the game you would know that the voice actors do a good job with the exclusion of one scene for me.

Edit: There are plenty of games with horrible voice acting, this game is not one of them.

[:| yeah that's exactly what they demonstrate I'm done with you. All I've seen from you is pages upon pages of the most desperate, disparate damage control I've ever seen. Your attempts at feigning objectivity are laughable given that you were making these same tired arguments before the game was even released and you had made up your mind about the game long before that. So I'll leave you with a breakdown of your arguments and let people decide for themselvesblushield

According to Vandalvideo: - He should decide what score Too Human from Gamespot even though someone else reviewed it He has a better understanding of Gamespot's review guidelines than seasoned reviewers who work for the site

If a game OTHER THANToo Human has SOME of the same problems and it gets a higher score than it then reviews cant be trusted

If that same game was reviewed by a completely different person, than that's further proof that reviews cant be trusted

Too Human was "not treated fairly"

If two seperate people working for two seperate websites disagree on one aspect of the game then their reviews can not be trustedThe people who reviewed the game for different sites can not agree on anything (this can be disproven in under a minute)

People who gave too human a bad score or don't like it "don't know how to play game" or "never gave it a chance"Every single problem with Too Human is "minor"and should not effect the score much

The majority of well known sites/magazines (Edge, Eurogamer, Gamespot, 1Up, EGM, Gameinformer, Eurogamer, Gamespy) giving this game scores less than a 7 does not equal a critical consensus.

In his own words "Just because its getting bad reviews doesn't necessarily mean the gaming review establishment agrees"

A demo, which is a playable section of a game created to give people a taste of a game should not be used to by people to judge said game

If you play a demo of a game that sucks and the game gets bad reviews you should buy it or rent it

Too Human (a game in which you can glitch through the floor) doesn't have any kinds of game breaking elements

Cutscenes, animations and voice acting like this are "perfectly fine" (WARNING HILARIOUS CONTENT!!)

Everything the REVIEWERS THEMSELVES have said has been contradicted by other review sources" (lol)

The story in which Denis Dyack reimagines a Norse God who is a Pacifist with long blond hair as a bald space marine who fights robots in the future "was genius".

If you don't think so it is because you didn't read up on transhumanism like Denis Dyack told you to (transhumanism being "human enhancement")invisible walls "are part of the level design",the death sequence is "a welcome shift from the game over screen", he "never had a problem with swinging at nothing" and he "never experienced any of the technical problems with the game"

i was looking forward to this but now ouch 5.5 thats pretty bad.shaun_mcwayne

I really don't see what is wrong with the voice acting in this game, if you actually played the game you would know that the voice actors do a good job with the exclusion of one scene for me.

Edit: There are plenty of games with horrible voice acting, this game is not one of them.

spinecaton

C'mon man

I don't demand much from games but if there's a story based game with an emphasis on custcenes I'd expect not to see dialogue from that weird looking caveman like "monsters tell stories of me to frighten their children". The animation as also a bit weird, the way that their mouths did not seem to move in line with what they were saying

They probably should have outsourced the cutscenes although that still wouldn't have helped with the rest of the game

i was looking forward to this but now ouch 5.5 thats pretty bad.shaun_mcwayne

Try out the demo on the marketplace. I thought it was garbage but you might like it

"Today is a good day to die" and "monsters tell story of me to frighten their children. .Vandalvideo

I'm just surprised to see Dialogue like that in a game that's being released in 2008

C'mon man I don't demand much from games but if there's a story based game with an emphasis on custcenes I'd expect not to see dialogue from that weird looking caveman like "monsters tell stories of me to frighten their children". The animation as also a bit weird, the way that their mouths did not seem to move in line with what they were saying They probably should have outsourced the cutscenes although that still wouldn't have helped with the rest of the gameblushield

The lip and body animations often break the illusion for me. The voice acting itself is good. Animation wise, it likes to jump in and out of the uncanny valley.Mordred19

I guess.

It does seem a bit weird when they talk, and the rest of the animation is pretty weak as well. Some of the dialogue is so bad though.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]The lip and body animations often break the illusion for me. The voice acting itself is good. Animation wise, it likes to jump in and out of the uncanny valley.blushield

I guess.

It does seem a bit weird when they talk, and the rest of the animation is pretty weak as well. Some of the dialogue is so bad though.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

I really don't see what is wrong with the voice acting in this game, if you actually played the game you would know that the voice actors do a good job with the exclusion of one scene for me.

Edit: There are plenty of games with horrible voice acting, this game is not one of them.

blushield

C'mon man

I don't demand much from games but if there's a story based game with an emphasis on custcenes I'd expect not to see dialogue from that weird looking caveman like "monsters tell stories of me to frighten their children". The animation as also a bit weird, the way that their mouths did not seem to move in line with what they were saying

They probably should have outsourced the cutscenes although that still wouldn't have helped with the rest of the game

i was looking forward to this but now ouch 5.5 thats pretty bad.shaun_mcwayne

Try out the demo on the marketplace. I thought it was garbage but you might like it

"Today is a good day to die" and "monsters tell story of me to frighten their children. .Vandalvideo

I'm just surprised to see Dialogue like that in a game that's being released in 2008

[QUOTE="blushield"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]The lip and body animations often break the illusion for me. The voice acting itself is good. Animation wise, it likes to jump in and out of the uncanny valley.Vandalvideo

I guess.

It does seem a bit weird when they talk, and the rest of the animation is pretty weak as well. Some of the dialogue is so bad though.

The voice acting, story telling,and level design were all bad. The gameplay is good and trying to get awesome loot is fun. I can see why some people would straight up hate it. Something happened, either SK are crappy developers or the trouble with the unreal engine crippled the game. I had a fun time with the game but the whole package is just not up to the standards everyone expects from a video game this gen.

The voice acting, story telling,and level design were all bad. The gameplay is good and trying to get awesome loot is fun. I can see why some people would straight up hate it. Something happened, either SK are crappy developers or the trouble with the unreal engine crippled the game. I had a fun time with the game but the whole package is just not up to the standards everyone expects from a video game this gen.

lolkie_81

True

The whole Unreal Engine saga was pretty embarassing as well. I read somewhere that Silicon Knights downloaded a ton of assets before filing their lawsuit, which doesn't bode well for their claim the the Too Human engine is built from the ground up

I still think that the game will sell well. Bad publicity is still publicity and there's a very vocal minority of fanboys who've have been crowing about this game since before it was released. Hopefully if there is a sequel it'll be half-decent

The voice acting, story telling,and level design were all bad. The gameplay is good and trying to get awesome loot is fun. I can see why some people would straight up hate it. Something happened, either SK are crappy developers or the trouble with the unreal engine crippled the game. I had a fun time with the game but the whole package is just not up to the standards everyone expects from a video game this gen.lolkie_81

Because it is a seperate game you can not make a direct comparison with any other review of any other game.

blushield

Not only is this a patently untrue statement (Jeff Gerstmann, a former GS reviewer, and current GB reviewer compared Too Human to Phantasy Star Online - yes, that's right, a so-called "professional reviewer" broke this non-existent rule) but if it were true it would invalidate your entire argument.

If review scores cannot be used as a comparison tool, then they're utterly useless. I personally believe they're utterly useless anyway, but if that's the case why not give every game a 10? Why say "Too Human is bad" based on one reviewers low score, if that score has no context, consistency, or meaning?

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I think your main problem here is you're arguing against a game you don't own and have never played the retail version of - you're supporting the minority (the majority of reviewers gave Too Human a 7.0 or above) opinion without any real evidence or personal ancedote. What you're doing is similar to this:

I've never played MGS4. But! I read a bad review of it - therefore MGS4 must suck. I've heard lots of complaints, and I can only assumed, based on the video footage I've seen, that MGS4 sucks.

naisorbus

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Is that true? Of course not - the only difference between MGS and Too Human in this case is that Too Human is held in a negative opinion *by those who haven't played it* while those who have never played MGS still think it's a good game - but in both cases, the "haven't played its" have *no idea* if it's really a good game or not...

And since you don't own and haven't played the full Too Human - your opinion is far less valid than Vandal's (who *has* played the game extensively).

^_^ Just thought I would bring up the user score for the game,which out of 1,204 votes averaged a 7.1(aka good],and I always find the user score much more accurate than the Gamespot score.

P.S.-:| Hopefully I can get to a store Monday and pick this up.

^_^ Just thought I would bring up the user score for the game,which out of 1,204 votes averaged a 7.1(aka good],and I always find the user score much more accurate than the Gamespot score.

P.S.-:| Hopefully I can get to a store Monday and pick this up.

killab2oo5

The user score is right on the money.

[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]The voice acting, story telling,and level design were all bad. The gameplay is good and trying to get awesome loot is fun. I can see why some people would straight up hate it. Something happened, either SK are crappy developers or the trouble with the unreal engine crippled the game. I had a fun time with the game but the whole package is just not up to the standards everyone expects from a video game this gen.Vandalvideo

Compared to other games this gen, it was bad. Look at MGS4, Uncharted ,even RC. Thats off the top of my head. I gave this game a fair shot and enjoyed it, but I can admit where this games short comings are. Bottom line is, it just dosent seem up to todays standards. The fact all the games I listed were ps3 means nothing, I just recently played all of them.

Compared to other games this gen, it was bad. Look at MGS4, Uncharted ,even RC. Thats off the top of my head. I gave this game a fair shot and enjoyed it, but I can admit where this games short comings are. Bottom line is, it just dosent seem up to todays standards. The fact all the games I listed were ps3 means nothing, I just recently played all of them.lolkie_81

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]

^_^ Just thought I would bring up the user score for the game,which out of 1,204 votes averaged a 7.1(aka good],and I always find the user score much more accurate than the Gamespot score.

P.S.-:| Hopefully I can get to a store Monday and pick this up.

lolkie_81

The user score is right on the money.

[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]Compared to other games this gen, it was bad. Look at MGS4, Uncharted ,even RC. Thats off the top of my head. I gave this game a fair shot and enjoyed it, but I can admit where this games short comings are. Bottom line is, it just dosent seem up to todays standards. The fact all the games I listed were ps3 means nothing, I just recently played all of them.Vandalvideo

I can only understand english. Anyway, I think I done with too human. Im on my 2nd play tru, new character, on lever 16. I have 15 or so hrs in too human and dont feel the need to play anymore.I really doubt I will be playing online so leveling up and getting the best weapons seems pointless. The enemys level up with you so the game just always seems the same. The seems to be no reason to level up. I got a good 15hrs of fun out of it so it was worth it.

I can only understand english. Anyway, I think I done with too human. Im on my 2nd play tru, new character, on lever 16. I have 15 or so hrs in too human and dont feel the need to play anymore.I really doubt I will be playing online so leveling up and getting the best weapons seems pointless. The enemys level up with you so the game just always seems the same. The seems to be no reason to level up. I got a good 15hrs of fun out of it so it was worth it.lolkie_81

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]

^_^ Just thought I would bring up the user score for the game,which out of 1,204 votes averaged a 7.1(aka good],and I always find the user score much more accurate than the Gamespot score.

P.S.-:| Hopefully I can get to a store Monday and pick this up.

lolkie_81

The user score is right on the money.

Agreed. Good game, but not great.

Not only is this a patently untrue statement (Jeff Gerstmann, a former GS reviewer, and current GB reviewer compared Too Human to Phantasy Star Online - yes, that's right, a so-called "professional reviewer" broke this non-existent rule) but if it were true it would invalidate your entire argument.

subrosian

Because it is a seperate game you can not make a direct comparison with any other review of any other game.

blushield

Not to mention I love fighting Dr. Robotnik in Helheim :D. (The necromancer)Vandalvideo

...my quote has been stolen... :P

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]

^_^ Just thought I would bring up the user score for the game,which out of 1,204 votes averaged a 7.1(aka good],and I always find the user score much more accurate than the Gamespot score.

P.S.-:| Hopefully I can get to a store Monday and pick this up.

lolkie_81

The user score is right on the money.

Well Too Human reminds me a bit of Phantasy Star Online that the four levels each are different experiences, to the point where you'd almost score them differently. In PSO I rarely had a desire to touch Caves on Ultimate - I mean really, Megid spitting flowers? Everywhere? No thanks - and with Too Human, I've enjoyed Hall of Heroes, World Serpent, and Helheim far more than Ice Forest, even though I felt Ice Forest was a creative level.

Compare it to othen another action-RPG on the 360, Mass Effect, and it looks even worse than the titles you mentioned. Same console, same genre, and released almost one year earlier and it still blows Too Human out of the water.

I just wrote a full user review on it and gave it a 5.0. I can't believe how bad this title was. Hopefully they actually finish the next game before they release it.

Compare it to othen another action-RPG on the 360, Mass Effect, and it looks even worse than the titles you mentioned. Same console, same genre, and released almost one year earlier and it still blows Too Human out of the water.

I just wrote a full user review on it and gave it a 5.0. I can't believe how bad this title was. Hopefully they actually finish the next game before they release it.

standarddamage

i read your review, good job.

i read your review, good job.

PS3Breeder

Thank you. I figured with all the higher scores, I had better justify why I felt it was only worth a five.

This game's score/music is very, very good. It's right up there with Halo's, MGS, etc. silentobi

'tis quite good - I finished my playthrough with my Defender (lv. 40) today - I'm quite happy with the end-game experience - the loot and weapon customization becomes quite appreciable at the higher levels, and the World Serpent and Helheim are easily the games best levels (and boss fights) - though I'm also a fan of Hall of Heroes - hrmm.. that's up in the air... in any case...

The story also ramps up from a little under-present to a key part of the experience in the second half. The worst part about the ending is knowing we'll have to wait a year or two for Part II - as it wraps up the first story nicely - but really leaves you wanting that next part. At twenty-five hours to reach lv. 40 and finish the playthrough, it was more than worth its pricetag (and of course is getting played a few more times) - but man - lets hope its not too long until Part II.

..and so began the experiment. With the Too Human sticky taken down, will SW be safe from an endless stream of Too Human topics? Or will the flood of emotion have subsided.. Stay tuned :omusicalmac

No game is safe in this board...

Too Human threads are going to pop up left and right comparing it to LAIR...

This will only be the beginning...

I like the game, hate the cameras. They all suck.

Example:You are low on health and there are no other enemies besides the boss to fight. Look! There's a canister! There might be health in it, I'll go and slash it and hopefully there's a health thingie in it.(It usually is, at least in the boss fights). But no, as you run towards it the camera will swing around and stay stuck on the boss turning your viewing angle towards the boss, the one thing in the room you are trying to get away from...So you are basically looking backwards while running towards the canister making it really hard to see it.

IT'S ANNOYING AS HELL. The camera moves around waay too much.

To be honest, in other games, I would have stopped playing a long time ago, but the combat, once you get it locked in, is fun as hell. I couldn't stop playing it even though the cameras were driving me bonkers. Seriously, when I'm running towards an enemy to put the smash on his ass, I don't need the camera swinging around like a frickkin' spaz.

But like I said, not a dealbreaker strangely enough.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]..and so began the experiment. With the Too Human sticky taken down, will SW be safe from an endless stream of Too Human topics? Or will the flood of emotion have subsided.. Stay tuned :osam280992

No game is safe in this board...

Too Human threads are going to pop up left and right comparing it to LAIR...

This will only be the beginning...

I'm glad we have the "no character vs character" rule. Do we really need 60+ "Kratos vs Baldur" threads? :lol: