The Official Project Cafe Thread: CONFIRMED BY NINTENDO!!! (Specs Leaked?)

[QUOTE="Sphenodonta"]

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]

but anywho, i think nintendo alrdy confirmed the sceen to be 'high-def', which would rule out a 4:3. i can't wait for e3

blizzvalve

Depends on what resolution the screen is. Standard definition is anything 640x480 and below. Sub-Hd is anywhere between the following resolution and 1280x720 (or 720p). High definition is any resolution above 720p. High definition images can appear in a 4:3 screen as long as the resolution is high enough. The Ipad has a 4:3 resolution and its still considered HD. What I expect from this controller is a sub-HD screen (ranging between 4:3 and 5:3) because anything wider would make the controller too big.

well, that was the older meaning of 'high-def', as the ipad has a 1024x768 reslution... which was traditional for monitors years ago. however, true 'high definition' by today's definition, without the need for scaling, would require a widescreen resolution. but yeah, nintendo might just mean 'high-resolution' for a 4:3 screen ratio.

I hope the screen really isn't that big :?

I feel like they are droping the price of the Wii because they know that this Wii2 is gonna be expensive. I mean come on, a 1080p touch screen controller isn't gonna be $50-60 more like $100 and that's just for the controller. Just imagine what the system is gonna cost. I think this is gonna make or bust Nintendo this time around. They got close to their demise from the Game Cube and the Wii saved them, I think it's gonna be another GC incident. I always wanted Nintendo to be a power house, but I think it's a little to late for them now considering the others in the game now. I would love to see a Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc.. perform in a GFX power house, but I think the fire is gone for the moment.

I feel like they are droping the price of the Wii because they know that this Wii2 is gonna be expensive. I mean come on, a 1080p touch screen controller isn't gonna be $50-60 more like $100 and that's just for the controller. Just imagine what the system is gonna cost. I think this is gonna make or bust Nintendo this time around. They got close to their demise from the Game Cube and the Wii saved them, I think it's gonna be another GC incident. I always wanted Nintendo to be a power house, but I think it's a little to late for them now considering the others in the game now. I would love to see a Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc.. perform in a GFX power house, but I think the fire is gone for the moment.

ItsBriskBaby

THey always drop console prices to push units out before the new console, lol

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]

I feel like they are droping the price of the Wii because they know that this Wii2 is gonna be expensive. I mean come on, a 1080p touch screen controller isn't gonna be $50-60 more like $100 and that's just for the controller. Just imagine what the system is gonna cost. I think this is gonna make or bust Nintendo this time around. They got close to their demise from the Game Cube and the Wii saved them, I think it's gonna be another GC incident. I always wanted Nintendo to be a power house, but I think it's a little to late for them now considering the others in the game now. I would love to see a Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc.. perform in a GFX power house, but I think the fire is gone for the moment.

WreckEm711

THey always drop console prices to push units out before the new console, lol

[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]

I feel like they are droping the price of the Wii because they know that this Wii2 is gonna be expensive. I mean come on, a 1080p touch screen controller isn't gonna be $50-60 more like $100 and that's just for the controller. Just imagine what the system is gonna cost. I think this is gonna make or bust Nintendo this time around. They got close to their demise from the Game Cube and the Wii saved them, I think it's gonna be another GC incident. I always wanted Nintendo to be a power house, but I think it's a little to late for them now considering the others in the game now. I would love to see a Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc.. perform in a GFX power house, but I think the fire is gone for the moment.

ItsBriskBaby

THey always drop console prices to push units out before the new console, lol

They've been able to drop the price a lot because the hardware is ancient and cheap to produce :P There is absolutely 0 chance Nintendo would be that stupid.

[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]

I feel like they are droping the price of the Wii because they know that this Wii2 is gonna be expensive. I mean come on, a 1080p touch screen controller isn't gonna be $50-60 more like $100 and that's just for the controller. Just imagine what the system is gonna cost. I think this is gonna make or bust Nintendo this time around. They got close to their demise from the Game Cube and the Wii saved them, I think it's gonna be another GC incident. I always wanted Nintendo to be a power house, but I think it's a little to late for them now considering the others in the game now. I would love to see a Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc.. perform in a GFX power house, but I think the fire is gone for the moment.

ItsBriskBaby

THey always drop console prices to push units out before the new console, lol

It depends on how powerful the console truely is. If it is "significantly more powerful than the PS3 and 360" (which can be interpreted in many different ways), then we can possibly see a high price point for the system. However, if it is just a minor leap over the current-gen consoles, then I don't expect the price to be over $400. Plus the screen on the controller is more likely to be sub-HD with streaming technology similar to Onlive. I expect something along the lines of $50 to $60 for the controller.

Is the controller really going to have a screen in the middle of it?

Silverbond

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Is the controller really going to have a screen in the middle of it?

charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Is the controller really going to have a screen in the middle of it?

Arach666

So what did I miss? I haven't been following this project Cafe thing. >_>

:P

*goes to check first post*

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] No, it's all lies! :xSphenodonta

So what did I miss? I haven't been following this project Cafe thing. >_>

:P

*goes to check first post*

timmy00

for you and everyone else that may be behind on the Project Cafe news- heres everything known about the console in one place :) >>LINK

[QUOTE="Sphenodonta"][QUOTE="Arach666"] I bet it´s true!

Arach666

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

So what did I miss? I haven't been following this project Cafe thing. >_>

:P

*goes to check first post*

Scoob64

for you and everyone else that may be behind on the Project Cafe news- heres everything known about the console in one place :) >>LINK

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

So what did I miss? I haven't been following this project Cafe thing. >_>

:P

*goes to check first post*

timmy00

for you and everyone else that may be behind on the Project Cafe news- heres everything known about the console in one place :) >>LINK

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Sphenodonta"] Maybe it's both?charizard1605

[QUOTE="blizzvalve"]

[QUOTE="Sphenodonta"] Why can't 4:3 be hi-def? (honest question, I don't know why 16:9 is hi-def...)

Scoob64

Depends on what resolution the screen is. Standard definition is anything 640x480 and below. Sub-Hd is anywhere between the following resolution and 1280x720 (or 720p). High definition is any resolution above 720p. High definition images can appear in a 4:3 screen as long as the resolution is high enough. The Ipad has a 4:3 resolution and its still considered HD. What I expect from this controller is a sub-HD screen (ranging between 4:3 and 5:3) because anything wider would make the controller too big.

well, that was the older meaning of 'high-def', as the ipad has a 1024x768 reslution... which was traditional for monitors years ago. however, true 'high definition' by today's definition, without the need for scaling, would require a widescreen resolution. but yeah, nintendo might just mean 'high-resolution' for a 4:3 screen ratio.

Here are some other mockups of a controller.

http://i.imgur.com/jv2JC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dVoK7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8WrPK.jpg

The last two is interesting take on AR games where you can use the controllers to have Boos in your house.

I can't wait to see more of Nintendo's next console! :D

Here are some other mockups of a controller.

http://i.imgur.com/jv2JC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dVoK7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8WrPK.jpg

The last two is interesting take on AR games where you can use the controllers to have Boos in your house.

Nintendo_Ownes7

It's a little weird how the analog sticks are at the top and how the controller is on its side.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

Here are some other mockups of a controller.

http://i.imgur.com/jv2JC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dVoK7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8WrPK.jpg

The last two is interesting take on AR games where you can use the controllers to have Boos in your house.

AmayaPapaya

It's a little weird how the analog sticks are at the top and how the controller is on its side.

If it is like a Dreamcast controller (Has handles like the Dreamcast Controller) then it could actually be comfortable playing with the Analog sticks at the top.

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]

for you and everyone else that may be behind on the Project Cafe news- heres everything known about the console in one place :) >>LINK

charizard1605

:P

These glitches are getting dumber.

These glitches are getting dumber.mitu123

There have been many rumors about the Project Cafe controller and many different (sometimes rediculous) concepts for it. So out of boredom, I decided to create my own concept...using my horrid drawing skills (image is larger than original because of the scan).

With this concept, I tackled the following:

-Drawn to scale (not shown on screen, 6.2" screen with 3:2 ratio, not much bigger than a 360 controller besides the sides)
-360-styIe/Dualshock controller layout (with SNES-styIe buttons)
-Resistive touch screen (with stylus located on top)
-Streaming functionality (Menu layout similar to Wii, notifications bar, online service functionality, plays games on screen as well as other TVs (using mini-HDM port))
-Cameras (1.3 megapixels, front and back)
-Speakers (with volume control and headphone option)
-built-in mic (similar to DS, used for online play)
-mini-USB port for charging
-handles on the sides for comfort

Although some of these features may be wishful thinking, based on the rumors, I believe the Project Cafe controller will be similar (or at least ergonomically similar) to this design.

Ohhhh God it's huge. Also, if it was resistive that would suck. It needs to be multitouch and capacitive.Cherokee_Jack

Actually that's the resolution when I scanned it to my computer. It's not gonna be that huge. Like I said, when I drew it, it won't be much larger than a 360 controller.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Ohhhh God it's huge. Also, if it was resistive that would suck. It needs to be multitouch and capacitive.blizzvalve

Actually that's the resolution when I scanned it to my computer. It's not gonna be that huge. Like I said, when I drew it, it won't be much larger than a 360 controller.

Ah, okay. I notice you said that now.

But yeah, thumbs are going to be the primary thing you're using on that touchscreen, not a stylus. Has to be roughly equivalent to an iOS device's screen or else it won't be used very well in most games.

[QUOTE="blizzvalve"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Ohhhh God it's huge. Also, if it was resistive that would suck. It needs to be multitouch and capacitive.Cherokee_Jack

Actually that's the resolution when I scanned it to my computer. It's not gonna be that huge. Like I said, when I drew it, it won't be much larger than a 360 controller.

Ah, okay. I notice you said that now.

But yeah, thumbs are going to be the primary thing you're using on that touchscreen, not a stylus. Has to be roughly equivalent to an iOS device's screen or else it won't be used very well in most games.

you can still use your thumbs for resistive touch screens. There isn't multitouch though (which i don't think would have much of an affect on the use of the touch screen). I play SSF4 on the 3DS using the touchscreen with my thumbs and I havent had any trouble with it. i think if Nintendo is going to use a capacitive touch screen it would be the main way to control the games (ie screen buttons).

If the controller is close to your drawing, I may send you money... Correctly guessing Nintendo is an ability that should be awarded! (even if it isn't close, good job. I've been wanting to try and draw a concept for it, but you beat me to it...)Sphenodonta

Most of the things on the controller (specifically the shape and button layout) is going by the rumors (eight buttons, uDraw-like design, etc.). Some of the things im just speculating on based on other rumors (mini-HDMI for streaming content from the controller). Unless the rumors are completely wrong (or if the Windows 7 box console and the Gamecube controller with a screen added turned out to be real) I would expect something along the lines of the above picture.

If the controller is close to your drawing, I may send you money... Correctly guessing Nintendo is an ability that should be awarded! (even if it isn't close, good job. I've been wanting to try and draw a concept for it, but you beat me to it...)Sphenodonta

[QUOTE="Sphenodonta"]If the controller is close to your drawing, I may send you money... Correctly guessing Nintendo is an ability that should be awarded! (even if it isn't close, good job. I've been wanting to try and draw a concept for it, but you beat me to it...)charizard1605

i agree, GameCube and Wii proved that.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Sphenodonta"]If the controller is close to your drawing, I may send you money... Correctly guessing Nintendo is an ability that should be awarded! (even if it isn't close, good job. I've been wanting to try and draw a concept for it, but you beat me to it...)Scoob64

i agree, GameCube and Wii proved that.

Why was this thread taken off of the stickies?Sik_kid_pk

Not much discussion going on around it anymore since no new info is coming out, it'll pick up closer to E3

[QUOTE="Sik_kid_pk"]Why was this thread taken off of the stickies?WreckEm711

Not much discussion going on around it anymore since no new info is coming out, it'll pick up closer to E3

Nintendoeverything.com has posted more controller mock-ups.

Nintendoeverything.com has posted more controller mock-ups.

thom_maytees

Best mockup I've seen yet. Only thing it lacks are the Start and Select buttons, but otherwise, this is perfect.

[QUOTE="Scoob64"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Heh, Nintendo is probably the single most unpredictable company in the world across any field.PC_Otter

i agree, GameCube and Wii proved that.

the controller, the shape of the console, and the name... i don't think anyone predicted that from project dolphin.

[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]

[QUOTE="Sik_kid_pk"]Why was this thread taken off of the stickies?crippled_ram

Not much discussion going on around it anymore since no new info is coming out, it'll pick up closer to E3

Nintendo's E3 2011 Preview

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/504?ch=1_hd

So, can someone explain Nintendo's most probable strategy here? I mean... It's pretty vague, right?

I'm trying to figure them out a little. Let's think together?

Let's first be clear on this: No matter how powerful the console will be it will be overpowered by sony/ms next consoles. That seems one of the most certain points we can hold on to. So in that regard it's a little bit like a Wii 2 or a Dreamcast console.

In terms of power I see two options.
1: It will be vastly more powerful than 360/ps3. I doubt this because of their design philosophies. And also the risks involved. And the fact that they would be playing into sony/ms's hand more than necessary (they can sell at a loss, nintendo can't). But it has the advantage of perhaps setting the next 3rd party 'power' standard. In essence becoming the next multiplat console, that the 360 is in the current generation. Would 3rd party developers really develop for such a console with even higher dev costs and tiny install base? What would it have to offer to the consumer?
2: It will be somewhat alike a 360/ps3. Which sounds risky as well because we already have 2 consoles like that. Or 3 if you count the PC. And they are all outfitted with their own motion controllers by now. So what would it have to offer to the consumer?

For scenario 1 I can imagine that Nintendo is not going to appeal to 3rd party developers anymore. So, almost entirely first party games. I say this because with the Wii the 3rd party support has been more of an insult than anything else to nintendo, and the system shows that if they could make a bit more games they would be able to sustain a console on their own. I do not mean that they forbid 3rd party games, but that they do not attempt to appeal to them at all. They've not been very good at appealing to 3rd party developers anyway, in any of the generations past. And the 3rd party developers are unable to compete with nintendo, and are very frustrated by this, making all kinds of excuses.

Also I doubt that they are going to rely on the Wii as their casual frontline platform. Since 360/PS3 are slowly gaining grounds there. However they are also sneaking in the 3DS. Maybe the system will be for the core gamers and will at some point attempt to lure casuals in through the 3DS. I doubt that, but it's possible. So personally I think they'll go for scenario 2.

In both cases though I don't understand what it is going to offer to the consumer, or even what consumer they are aiming for. I am convinced casuals are willing to pay even 400 $/euro for a very powerful console IF it has something awesome that draws them in.

With a screen on the controller?
I don't think that is real. Even if the source would be Reggie, he would be lying. Because it would make the controllers super expensive and controllers were already expensive. I don't think that they would take many steps back from the wiimote design. Two of the advantages of the wiimote are one controller for each hand and the very succesful pointer, I think we will see at least one of those return.
What I think for now, is that they will implement a very unique online community system unlike xbox live or psn. I think that is where the real innovation will take place to draw people in.

In terms of medium, would Stream stand for a kind of onLive service? I don't think so :P although it's an interesting thought. With previous consoles we always had ideas that were way too wild. Every console takes years to build, and thus uses years old technology. And nintendo isn't keen on expecting everyone to have certain technology like online or HDtv available to them, let alone expecting people to all have high speed internet. They would love to use solid state/flash storage for games. Mainly because of load times. (Nintendo absolutely hates load times.) I think nintendo won't use normal DVD's. Maybe their own version of DVD's. I can't imagine them buying Blu rays, personally, when they invest a lot of money in researching new storage media.

Don't stop posting because that last post was so long -_-
Just ignore it then.

Don't stop posting because that last post was so long -_-
Just ignore it then.

KungfuKitten

Don't stop posting because that last post was so long -_-
Just ignore it then.

KungfuKitten

Maybe if the touchscreen only functions as buttons, without actually showing an image, would it be less expensive? Like the NGP backside touchscreen. Cause it is a very persistent rumour.

I just don't see N sell 120$ controllers. They are all about social gaming. You can't expect people to buy 4 120$ controllers >_>
And wouldn't a portable/controller completely undermine the 3DS? It's just too weird. I feel we're thinking about that screen thing in all the wrong ways.