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#301 Willy105
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Okay, so was anybody else really disappointed with everything shown about Fire Emblem?

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What was bad about Fire Emblem?
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#303 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Okay, so was anybody else really disappointed with everything shown about Fire Emblem?

Willy105
What was bad about Fire Emblem?

I'm guessing he's disappointed because it's not on the vita;)
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#304 minh800
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[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="minh800"]

Okay, so was anybody else really disappointed with everything shown about Fire Emblem?

Shinobishyguy

What was bad about Fire Emblem?

I'm guessing he's disappointed because it's not on the vita;)

No, actually, I'm a huge Fire Emblem fan (or was if the series keeps going down the crapper). It's the only Nintendo series I actually care about.

First, the spirtes. While I wholeheartedly prefer the 3D models used in RD and PoR, the sprites (and the maps as well) felt underwhelming. There's doing 2D right and 2D wrong, and I'd call that doing 2D wrong.

2nd where was the voice acting? It's 2011, more than FMVs should be fully voiced and 3DS carts have more than enough room. And Fire Emblem is very text heavy. It's one game that needs it. But going off Radiant Dawn, I'm sure I can expect the bare minimum.

3rd The character portraits. It's so much more... anime than I'd like it to be. In Valkyria Chronicles 3, yeah, those would look at home but not FE (at least for me).

4th The music! I know I heard at least one of those tracks before in a previous game. I really dislike it when developers reuse music.

5th The graphics in the battle scenes. Maybe it's because of the quality of the video but... ew. I definitely prefer Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn's battle scenes.

On a good note, I guess, it seems like you can travel between towns like in Sacred Stones. Hopefully it's an all around better game, though.

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#305 Willy105
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What weird complains. But I've heard worse.
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#306 DarkLink77
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I would rather have sprites in Fire Emblem than 3D models. The Wii and GCN games are ugly.

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#307 minh800
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Unnecessarily low production values and rehashing are weird complaints?

Like I said, there's 2D done right (like Vanillaware titles) and there's 2D done wrong (which is what I'd call this). I'd rather have the 3D models in RD/PoR than these sprites.

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#308 Shinobishyguy
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Unnecessarily low production values and rehashing are weird complaints?

Like I said, there's 2D done right (like Vanillaware titles) and there's 2D done wrong (which is what I'd call this). I'd rather have the 3D models in RD/PoR than these sprites.

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Rehashing? You're judging the entire sountrack on a piece of stock music they made for the trailer? Low production values? Did you see those battle scenes?
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#309 kingjazziephiz
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So what time is the Sony conference? is it the same time as Nintendo?
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#310 minh800
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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Unnecessarily low production values and rehashing are weird complaints?

Like I said, there's 2D done right (like Vanillaware titles) and there's 2D done wrong (which is what I'd call this). I'd rather have the 3D models in RD/PoR than these sprites.

Shinobishyguy

Rehashing? You're judging the entire sountrack on a piece of stock music they made for the trailer? Low production values? Did you see those battle scenes?

Nintendo rehashes tracks in many of their games. It's no secret. Am I saying the entire track is rehashed? No, but rehashing music is still rehashing - and it's something I dislike. Yes, I saw those battle scenes. I think you'll see how I was complaining about them in my above post because they look worse than they should. Lack of voice acting is also a huge problem. There's really no excuse at this point besides not wanting to spend more money on the game.

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#311 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="minh800"]

Unnecessarily low production values and rehashing are weird complaints?

Like I said, there's 2D done right (like Vanillaware titles) and there's 2D done wrong (which is what I'd call this). I'd rather have the 3D models in RD/PoR than these sprites.

minh800

Rehashing? You're judging the entire sountrack on a piece of stock music they made for the trailer? Low production values? Did you see those battle scenes?

Nintendo rehashes tracks in many of their games. It's no secret. Am I saying the entire track is rehashed? No, but rehashing music is still rehashing - and it's something I dislike. Yes, I saw those battle scenes. I think you'll see how I was complaining about them in my above post because they look worse than they should. Lack of voice acting is also a huge problem. There's really no excuse at this point besides not wanting to spend more money on the game.

Since when did voice acting become the Holy grail of game design? Not every game needs it, and Zelda sure as s*** doesn't.
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#312 DarkLink77
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So when's Sony's thing today?

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#314 kingjazziephiz
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

So when's Sony's thing today?

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Came here to ask the same question lol, so anyone when is sony's ?

here you go.. found it on Gamepro 5 a.m. BST (British Summer Time), Wednesday 6 a.m. CET (Central European Time), Wednesday 12 a.m. Midnight EDT (Eastern Daylight Time), Tuesday/Wednesday 9 p.m. PDT (Pacific Daylight Time), Tuesday
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#315 mmmwksil
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[QUOTE="minh800"]

Nintendo rehashes tracks in many of their games. It's no secret. Am I saying the entire track is rehashed? No, but rehashing music is still rehashing - and it's something I dislike. Yes, I saw those battle scenes. I think you'll see how I was complaining about them in my above post because they look worse than they should. Lack of voice acting is also a huge problem. There's really no excuse at this point besides not wanting to spend more money on the game.

DarkLink77

Since when did voice acting become the Holy grail of game design? Not every game needs it, and Zelda sure as s*** doesn't.

Apparently gamers today can't be bothered to read on their own. They want to be spoon-fed the scenes instead of using their eyes and imagination.

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#316 el3m2tigre
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="minh800"]

Nintendo rehashes tracks in many of their games. It's no secret. Am I saying the entire track is rehashed? No, but rehashing music is still rehashing - and it's something I dislike. Yes, I saw those battle scenes. I think you'll see how I was complaining about them in my above post because they look worse than they should. Lack of voice acting is also a huge problem. There's really no excuse at this point besides not wanting to spend more money on the game.

mmmwksil

Since when did voice acting become the Holy grail of game design? Not every game needs it, and Zelda sure as s*** doesn't.

Apparently gamers today can't be bothered to read on their own. They want to be spoon-fed the scenes instead of using their eyes and imagination.

Both are over rated.:P

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#317 mmmwksil
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

Apparently gamers today can't be bothered to read on their own. They want to be spoon-fed the scenes instead of using their eyes and imagination.

el3m2tigre

Both are over rated.:P

Someone didn't have legos to play with in their youth... :P

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#318 el3m2tigre
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[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

Apparently gamers today can't be bothered to read on their own. They want to be spoon-fed the scenes instead of using their eyes and imagination.

mmmwksil

Both are over rated.:P

Someone didn't have legos to play with in their youth... :P

Is it sad that it's true? :(

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#319 mmmwksil
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Both are over rated.:P

el3m2tigre

Someone didn't have legos to play with in their youth... :P

Is it sad that it's true? :(

... :o

Get out. Buy some legos. Recapture that missed youth. Doctor's orders. NAO! :x

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#320 el3m2tigre
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[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

Someone didn't have legos to play with in their youth... :P

mmmwksil

Is it sad that it's true? :(

... :o

Get out. Buy some legos. Recapture that missed youth. Doctor's orders. NAO! :x

Ill get the best Lego's money can buy!

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#321 catfishmoon23
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[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

Someone didn't have legos to play with in their youth... :P

mmmwksil

Is it sad that it's true? :(

... :o

Get out. Buy some legos. Recapture that missed youth. Doctor's orders. NAO! :x

Lincoln Logs are better than Legos. No contest 8)

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#322 Bwaawesome
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Is it sad that it's true? :(

catfishmoon23

... :o

Get out. Buy some legos. Recapture that missed youth. Doctor's orders. NAO! :x

Lincoln Logs are better than Legos. No contest 8)

Oh wow, I remember those things, they were awesome! And at Sony's Conference I hope they announce Syphon Filter 4, loved that series. :)
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#323 mmmwksil
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Is it sad that it's true? :(

catfishmoon23

... :o

Get out. Buy some legos. Recapture that missed youth. Doctor's orders. NAO! :x

Lincoln Logs are better than Legos. No contest 8)

And what are you going to build with those? Another log cabin :roll:

Lego's limits are only that of the imagination! ...and your budget :P

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#324 Giant_Panda
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As to the poll, Sony has become excellentwiththeir conferences over the last years.

[spoiler] Execellent at dissapointing conferences that is;) [/spoiler]

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#325 catfishmoon23
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[QUOTE="catfishmoon23"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

... :o

Get out. Buy some legos. Recapture that missed youth. Doctor's orders. NAO! :x

mmmwksil

Lincoln Logs are better than Legos. No contest 8)

And what are you going to build with those? Another log cabin :roll:

Lego's limits are only that of the imagination! ...and your budget :P

That is all I need. Wood beats plastic :D

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#326 mmmwksil
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="catfishmoon23"]

Lincoln Logs are better than Legos. No contest 8)

catfishmoon23

And what are you going to build with those? Another log cabin :roll:

Lego's limits are only that of the imagination! ...and your budget :P

That is all I need. Wood beats plastic :D

There is a dirty joke here... I just KNOW it... :lol:

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#327 el3m2tigre
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="catfishmoon23"]

Lincoln Logs are better than Legos. No contest 8)

catfishmoon23

And what are you going to build with those? Another log cabin :roll:

Lego's limits are only that of the imagination! ...and your budget :P

That is all I need. Wood beats plastic :D

Hahahaha, oh you.:P

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#328 kuraimen
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At what time is the Sony conference in the central standard time?
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#329 laus_basic
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At what time is the Sony conference in the central standard time?kuraimen

all the times here

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#330 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]At what time is the Sony conference in the central standard time?laus_basic

all the times here

10 pm I think then thanks! :)

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#331 coltgames
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glad i dont have to work tonight
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#332 laus_basic
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[QUOTE="laus_basic"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]At what time is the Sony conference in the central standard time?kuraimen

all the times here

10 pm I think then thanks! :)

11pm actually

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#333 Cherokee_Jack
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Hey, I know this thread isn't really about Nintendo anymore, but has everyone seen these pictures?

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/img/gmw/docs/477/173/html/n10.jpg.html (click the arrow at the top to go through them)

Looks like it doesn't add 3 shoulder buttons, just two. The 3DS' original R button is extended out onto the peripheral, and then there are the two triggers that are all-new.

I'm guessing the thing with the screw is the battery compartment.

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#334 vincent380
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I think people are expecting way too much out of this conference IMO
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#335 mmmwksil
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I think people are expecting way too much out of this conference IMOvincent380

Was it too much to expect actual games? :lol:

Still, it was a fun conference thanks to the hecklers in the thread.

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#336 el3m2tigre
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So what were the 3 unanounced titles?

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#337 Alpha-Male22
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What do u guys think of the new UI?

I really think it lacks XMB's coolness

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#338 tonitorsi
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What happened at the conference? Unfotunately, I missed it :o
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#339 campzor
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What happened at the conference? Unfotunately, I missed it :otonitorsi
mgs & ZOE collection also coming to vita japan launch date revealed (think it was 17th december) Final fantasy X HD coming to ps3/vita actually... read this.. it explains EVERYTHING http://scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/110914a_e.pdf
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#340 MFDOOM1983
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$250-$300 is a solid price given the specs but then you look at other things. 3-5 hour battery life with no wifi or3g enabled. 9 hours for music in stand-by mode compared to i-phone 4's 40. So much for this thing being a competent multimedia device Once your battery is depleted you can't simply swap out a new battery(granted you can't with a i phone either but it's not the norm) but you'll have to wait another 3 hours to charge the thing, $60(Japanese pricing) for a 16GB memory card. Gotta ripoff your customers somehow. This thing looks like a flop.
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#342 tormentos
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$71 dollars for a 16 GB memory card.? Up yours Sony i am not buying a Vita until the memory card price drops of the Vita gets open for normal cards.
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#343 tormentos
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3DS launch pretty much confirmed the world doesn't really want hand held gaming consoles as much as they used to. sure both will still sell, but neither will do anything like the DS (which is still heavily supported) . there are tons of games on mobile phones now many of which also double as movie players, mp3 players, browsers and social networking devices. the potential market for handheld consoles is a lot smaller now in my book. sts106mat
The only phone that comes close to having decent controls is the Experia play,other than that cell phone games are pick for 15 minutes and drop games,they never will have the controls portables have which is a mayor draw back.
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#344 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"]3DS launch pretty much confirmed the world doesn't really want hand held gaming consoles as much as they used to. sure both will still sell, but neither will do anything like the DS (which is still heavily supported) . there are tons of games on mobile phones now many of which also double as movie players, mp3 players, browsers and social networking devices. the potential market for handheld consoles is a lot smaller now in my book. tormentos
The only phone that comes close to having decent controls is the Experia play,other than that cell phone games are pick for 15 minutes and drop games,they never will have the controls portables have which is a mayor draw back.

Touch controls work great for puzzle, turn-based titles(RPG'S, tower defense etc.) and racing games.
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#346 tormentos
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Touch controls work great for puzzle, turn-based titles(RPG'S, tower defense etc.) and racing games.

Yeah but the industry is make of so much more games than those,shooters are a big no no on cell phones,i have try a few and god they are horrible,the simulated analogues in the screen don't work even close to how well analogues work on portables,worst 2 thumbs instead of a finger now block part of your screen. I have a Galaxy S,but i have play on the iphone 4,droid,and several of my friend HTC phones,and controls are not good on cell phones,other than for angry birds and some other games,the controls are not good.
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#347 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Touch controls work great for puzzle, turn-based titles(RPG'S, tower defense etc.) and racing games. tormentos
Yeah but the industry is make of so much more games than those,shooters are a big no no on cell phones,i have try a few and god they are horrible,the simulated analogues in the screen don't work even close to how well analogues work on portables,worst 2 thumbs instead of a finger now block part of your screen. I have a Galaxy S,but i have play on the iphone 4,droid,and several of my friend HTC phones,and controls are not good on cell phones,other than for angry birds and some other games,the controls are not good.

Shooters(fps and tps) are a big no no on any handheld platform thus far. Shoot em ups, platformers that require precession i agree with though.

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#348 lbjkurono23
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Uncharted vita to be a launch tittle? :o
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#349 Xeogua
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FF is looking pretty cool, I don't really want a PS3 because only God of War and InFamous interest me, but the PSP has some really cool looking games. I may have to pick one up once I get a job.

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#350 campzor
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] Touch controls work great for puzzle, turn-based titles(RPG'S, tower defense etc.) and racing games. MFDOOM1983

Yeah but the industry is make of so much more games than those,shooters are a big no no on cell phones,i have try a few and god they are horrible,the simulated analogues in the screen don't work even close to how well analogues work on portables,worst 2 thumbs instead of a finger now block part of your screen. I have a Galaxy S,but i have play on the iphone 4,droid,and several of my friend HTC phones,and controls are not good on cell phones,other than for angry birds and some other games,the controls are not good.

Shooters(fps and tps) are a big no no on any handheld platform thus far. Shoot em ups, platformers that require precession i agree with though.

the only reason they are a 'no no' on handhelds thus far is cause the control schemes have been **** (and no..the stylus is not a fine substitute for a 2nd stick) and because of that im sure no dev would have wanted their product to fail because of this