Square Enix: ps3/xbox360 long life cycles "worst idea ever"

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#1 ionusX
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in an interview with gameindustry james merceron chief technology director at square enix he opened up on mirosofts and sonys continued delay of next-gen consoles calling it "the biggest mistake they have ever made". he believes that thanks to these longer life cycles its actually promoting their competition form ninty, from pc, from iOS, from even web browers get that much stronger and that much harder to compete with as they have refused to evolve while the others continue gathering mommentum.

he also talks a bit about where he thinks ninty is headed as a gaming company and a little brief bit at the end on hitman absolution and tomb raider.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-07-09-square-enix-on-next-gen-and-why-the-uncanny-valley-will-always-exist

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#2 bbkkristian
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I just saw this on IGN a few minutes ago; I can't say I disagree with SE there from a dev's Point of view (double negative, i know :x ). But I do disagree with their point because it means that the consumer gets their money's worth on their purchase! I don't like spending $300+, so expand that timeframe as much as possible.
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hey S-E, where is FF verse 13 and the fixed FF15? Oh you don't know? Focus on that before smacking them gums about others.
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#4 razgriz_101
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from a consumer POV im actually not bothered bout the longer cycle as long as companies still give me good, clean fun games, thats all i'll ever ask for and considering devs moanin this gen was too expensive wouldnt a longer cycle actually be beneficial so y'know they might be better prepared for the next hardware leap?

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#5 ionusX
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hey S-E, where is FF verse 13 and the fixed FF15? Oh you don't know? Focus on that before smacking them gums about others.hiryu3
oh he mad

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#6 Pray_to_me
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WiiU, iphone, ipad etc. It's not like any of these systems can play multiplats in 1080P why should Sony and MS upgrade?

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#7 GD1551
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hey S-E, where is FF verse 13 and the fixed FF15? Oh you don't know? Focus on that before smacking them gums about others.hiryu3

This guy is from the Eidos branch of SE.

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hey S-E, where is FF verse 13 and the fixed FF15? Oh you don't know? Focus on that before smacking them gums about others.hiryu3
FF15? When was this announced?
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[QUOTE="hiryu3"]hey S-E, where is FF verse 13 and the fixed FF15? Oh you don't know? Focus on that before smacking them gums about others.ShadowDeathX
FF15? When was this announced?

never he is raging

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#11 tomarlyn
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I'll wIpe my arse with his opinion.
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="hiryu3"]hey S-E, where is FF verse 13 and the fixed FF15? Oh you don't know? Focus on that before smacking them gums about others.ionusX

FF15? When was this announced?

never he is raging

probably a typo since you know FF14 was a mess, and you know that 5 comes after 4 when we're counting :P

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#13 dream0fchaos
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im kinda both ways with next gen, on one hand i want the gen to last a little longer since i feel that these consoles still have a little left to offer, and on the other hand i believe its time to release the next gen already (i mean 6-8 years is long enough).

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#15 GamerEye
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While I do agree that this generation has gone on long enough, I don't think they should be the ones talking, considering how they annouce games that won't be out for the next decade :roll:

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#16 JLF1MarkII
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This is coming from the people that have beaten their heads bloody on this generations technology.

All empty promises.

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#17 whiskeystrike
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I'm kinda caught in the middle about moving to the next gen.

I think Nintendo is timing their new console well considering the Wii but I can understand the prolonged life cycles of PS3/360. There are dozens of good games for me to still play in this gen.

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#18 Chutebox  Online
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This coming from the dev that said it's too expensive to build cities into their FF game?

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#19 BibiMaghoo
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SquareEnix Y U NO MAKE GOOD GAMES ANYMORE?
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#20 Shirokishi_
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Sqaure Enix talking about bad ideas? Really?

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#21 lordreaven
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Says the company that has a franchise have over 20 titles in the series, 2 of which are MMO's in a span of 20 years.

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#22 Animal-Mother
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How Ironic. Long life cycle. Can't even get out more than 2 games.

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#23 ShadowMoses900
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FF 13 = Worst RPG ever

Who cares what Square Enix thinks anymore? They have only made trash this whole gen, they need to go back to their roots. PS3 is powerful enough to be around for a bit longer anyway.

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#24 mitu123
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While I want new consoles, this is funny coming from them considering how they are with games...

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#25 JLF1MarkII
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Sqaure Enix talking about bad ideas? Really?

Shirokishi_



Well, they aren't really saying that better tech will make it easier for them. They basically want to write of this generation as a failed experiment and start over with a clean slate. It's not that bad of a idea. Squareenix's problems aren't with tech but with management. The White engine engine (which wasn't really an engine but more shared tech within the studios) was such a huge mistake that stalled the company for years. Presumably with the Luminous engine they will have it easier.

Moving to next gen won't hurt them at all as it isn't the budget that matters to them. It's not like the budgets will suddenly explode again just because they move to new hardware.

This is pretty much an admittance that they've failed to make a mark within this generation.

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Yes and forcing consumers to wait years and years and years and years for FF13v and Kingdom hearts 3 is absolute genius....

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#27 lordreaven
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FF 13 = Worst RPG ever

Who cares what Square Enix thinks anymore? They have only made trash this whole gen, they need to go back to their roots. PS3 is powerful enough to be around for a bit longer anyway.

ShadowMoses900
Go back to their roots? How an they do that when they never sprouted :lol:. They've made the same trash for 20 years. Young Hero saves the world with a party of misfits who are incredibly annoying in a turn based combat mode that makes XCOM players cry tears of boredom. The only people who buy the Sqaure Enix made games (not counting the Edios studios, those guys are freaking incredible, JC2, Deus Ex). are the *****ing Japanophiles.
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#28 Animal-Mother
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FF 13 = Worst RPG ever

Who cares what Square Enix thinks anymore? They have only made trash this whole gen, they need to go back to their roots. PS3 is powerful enough to be around for a bit longer anyway.

ShadowMoses900
They've published some damn good games this gen/
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#29 JLF1MarkII
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

FF 13 = Worst RPG ever

Who cares what Square Enix thinks anymore? They have only made trash this whole gen, they need to go back to their roots. PS3 is powerful enough to be around for a bit longer anyway.

lordreaven

Go back to their roots? How an they do that when they never sprouted :lol:. They've made the same trash for 20 years. Young Hero saves the world with a party of misfits who are incredibly annoying in a turn based combat mode that makes XCOM players cry tears of boredom. The only people who buy the Sqaure Enix made games (not counting the Edios studios, those guys are freaking incredible, JC2, Deus Ex). are the *****ing Japanophiles.

Some of their handheld games have been really good.

That doesn't defend their pathetic console output though.

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#30 whiskeystrike
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I find it funny how this has turned into a SE bashing thread and people have stopped posting about the actual topic.

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#31 JLF1MarkII
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I find it funny how this has turned into a SE bashing thread and people have stopped posting about the actual topic.

whiskeystrike

Well, it's something to do while we wait for their games to release.

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#32 bbkkristian
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FF 13 = Worst RPG ever

Who cares what Square Enix thinks anymore? They have only made trash this whole gen, they need to go back to their roots. PS3 is powerful enough to be around for a bit longer anyway.

ShadowMoses900
Sorry, FF13 might be bad in your opinion, but its definitely not the worst RPG ever.
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#33 verbtex  Moderator
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Because making mediocre Final Fantasy's is a good idea?

I also fail to see how having familiar architecture is a bad thing to work with.

Besides, although I'm not thoroughly impressed by the long life cycle, I appreciate it in the same way. I'm a college student who will probably not be entering gaming until almost mid way through the generation because I don't have money to drop on just anything anymore hoping that the system will be worth the cost of admission.

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#34 fueled-system
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I find it funny how this has turned into a SE bashing thread and people have stopped posting about the actual topic.

whiskeystrike

Because it is like Rush Limbaugh calling Rachel Maddow a liar... Square is in no position to say a thing with the crappy practices they have taken this gen

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#35 DealRogers
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SE doesn't have the right to say those things.

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#36 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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1. lol @ square and refusing to evolve 2. This gen has gone on way too long.
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#37 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

FF 13 = Worst RPG ever

Who cares what Square Enix thinks anymore? They have only made trash this whole gen, they need to go back to their roots. PS3 is powerful enough to be around for a bit longer anyway.

bbkkristian
Sorry, FF13 might be bad in your opinion, but its definitely not the worst RPG ever.

esp as its not even an RPG inb4jrpgfansgetmadandthensayMEisn'tanRPGinadfiferenttrhead
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#38 HalcyonScarlet
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Maybe Square Enix should prove themselves on current gen tech before they worry about the next gen.

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#39 GD1551
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People realize this dude is from the Eidos division right? Because I see people keep bringing up FF...

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#40 GD1551
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1. lol @ square and refusing to evolve 2. This gen has gone on way too long.blue_hazy_basic

Square Enix did evolve... not sure what you are getting at.

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#41 Kashiwaba
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Maybe Square Enix should prove themselves on current gen tech before they worry about the next gen.

HalcyonScarlet

Tech wise i think they proved it no RPG came close to FF13 graphics.

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#42 StatusShuffle
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Coming form the creators one Final Fantasy game (technically) this gen that completely plays itself with a contradicting story that forgets its own plot, while having difficulty spikes appear out of nowhere, and the battle appear out of nowhere so you might as well call them random battles as well. Also having 40 year old men trying to mary 12 year old girls Square would have never tried before this gen. Come back when you guys can make a game and battle system with a good story and allows you to play and control your characters. You know, EVOLVE.
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#43 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

I find it funny how this has turned into a SE bashing thread and people have stopped posting about the actual topic.

fueled-system

Because it is like Rush Limbaugh calling Rachel Maddow a liar... Square is in no position to say a thing with the crappy practices they have taken this gen

He's from Edios, not SE in Japan. What mistakes have they made exactly? Making Deus Ex: Human Revolution hasn't been much of a mistake.
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#44 HaloinventedFPS
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So Versus 13? no? ....

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#45 StatusShuffle
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So Versus 13? no? ....

HaloinventedFPS
FF-13-3 first. Also remember to buy it and make sure it sales more than FF7, and they MAY make a remake. Even thought i think a remake of CC would be better, since the game is, honestly, better than FF7.
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#46 crimsonman1245
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This Square Enix hate is getting really ridiculous.

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#47 Tessellation
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they just want to promote their new engine n force people to buy their boring games...
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#48 hiryu3
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="hiryu3"]hey S-E, where is FF verse 13 and the fixed FF15? Oh you don't know? Focus on that before smacking them gums about others.ionusX

FF15? When was this announced?

never he is raging

not raging. and I meant the FF14 mmo that was broken and is being relaunched. Wow you guys are so serious
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#49 StatusShuffle
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So Square you said you would remake 7 if you made a game better than FF7. So 7 games and 30 spin offs later, and you wonder why your games still don't sell as much? no wonder your lessons are never learned.
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#50 inb4uall
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LOL Fvck SE. I couldn't give a crap what they think. FF and KH are both terrible franchises with horrible stories.