Official GS GOTY 2013 - Zelda: A Link Between Worlds

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#201 jg4xchamp
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This forum always against knowing english.

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#202 Blabadon
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@Animal-Mother said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

It's a great game. If you have a 3DS put the time in because it is rewarding and fun.

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#203  Edited By Blabadon
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@Xaero_Gravity said:

@Blabadon:

Come again? o:

Go buy Tearaway.

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#204  Edited By TREAL_Since
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@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

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@Blabadon said:

@Xaero_Gravity said:

@Blabadon:

Come again? o:

Go buy Tearaway.

Stop telling us to buy games.

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@Blabadon said:

@Xaero_Gravity said:

@Blabadon:

Come again? o:

Go buy Tearaway.

Looooooooooool.

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#207  Edited By Zen_Light
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@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

lol I was wondering the same thing. I guess some people like to be led while others like to lead.

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#208  Edited By Blabadon
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@Animal-Mother said:

@Blabadon said:

@Xaero_Gravity said:

@Blabadon:

Come again? o:

Go buy Tearaway.

Stop telling us to buy games.

I'm at an airport, watching Superbad and responding to the only decent users left on this damn site.

I will do damn well whatever I want to.

And we caaaan't stop... and we wooon't stop...

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Lol one of the blandest choices. I think it's because the 3DS finally got a FPe game with a 9 score.

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#210  Edited By Meinhard1
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@jg4xchamp said:

I take it back. The gamespot comment section is only funny, the Neogaf comments about Gamespots GOTy is breathtaking

The problem with Zelda winning GOTY is it doesn't provide any social commentary.

Nintendo's entire philosophy is to create games that temporarily draw you away from reality. Games that are essentially created in a vacuum. That's a perfectly fine sort of game to enjoy, and it's possibly why their franchises have aged so well, but they're so abstract nothing can really be gleaned from them.

There's no incite. The player isn't changed by the experience. You turn the game off and move on with your life. You won't hop on the subway and see an elf. You

will

see GTA 5's Trevor, but you won't understand him.

If in 50 years someone want's to get a feel for what gaming (and life) in 2013 was like, is Zelda really the best example?

I think very, very few games can do that well.

At their best Nintendo games create memorable experiences that you think about even when you're not playing the game. That's why they're able to utilize nostalgia later on -- because their games give players great memories.

Insightful? Rarely. But not something you necessarily "turn off and move on with your life," either.

(Personally, If I want to be changed I'll turn to a book or good film.)

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@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

Nah, I'm a huge Zelda fan and I was always interested in the title. I just wasn't sure if I wanted to play it now or wait a little bit so I could clear the backlog a little more.

But I've heard nothing but good things from various websites and a ton of friends, so I guess i'll move up my date of acquisition.

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#212  Edited By DarkLink77
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@Zen_Light said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

lol I was wondering the same thing. I guess some people like to be led while others like to lead.

Nope, has nothing to do with it, but thanks for playing.

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@jg4xchamp: And that's why people outside of gaming will never take gamers seriously

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#214  Edited By TREAL_Since
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@jg4xchamp said:

@mems_1224 said:

@jg4xchamp said:

I take it back. The gamespot comment section is only funny, the Neogaf comments about Gamespots GOTy is breathtaking

The problem with Zelda winning GOTY is it doesn't provide any social commentary.

Nintendo's entire philosophy is to create games that temporarily draw you away from reality. Games that are essentially created in a vacuum. That's a perfectly fine sort of game to enjoy, and it's possibly why their franchises have aged so well, but they're so abstract nothing can really be gleaned from them.

There's no incite. The player isn't changed by the experience. You turn the game off and move on with your life. You won't hop on the subway and see an elf. You

will

see GTA 5's Trevor, but you won't understand him.

If in 50 years someone want's to get a feel for what gaming (and life) in 2013 was like, is Zelda really the best example?

Now that is some pretentious ass shit right there.

lolright? and it's about GTA 5, the **** does GTA 5 teach you about anything. Game is ridiculous as ****.

Minus all of the inane and ridiculous stuff in the game, there's some cultural exposé within GTA V. Everything is a learning experience if you'd let it be, but it depends on the individual. Surprisingly, there's some overblown, yet spot on, and satirical truth about American culture in the GTA games. Especially GTA V!

I'll give an example of what Will Wright said about games, and learning experiences in general, during an interview on Star Talk Live hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson (paraphrase):

"Games in general can be learning experiences. They are a means to experience a multitude of things you wouldn't actually do in real life. They can contribute to life training in many ways."

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#215  Edited By Animal-Mother
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@Blabadon said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@Blabadon said:

@Xaero_Gravity said:

@Blabadon:

Come again? o:

Go buy Tearaway.

Stop telling us to buy games.

I'm at an airport, watching Superbad and responding to the only decent users left on this damn site.

I will do damn well whatever I want to.

And we caaaan't stop... and we wooon't stop...

I hope you're plane lands safely!

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#216  Edited By Zen_Light
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@DarkLink77 said:

@Zen_Light said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

lol I was wondering the same thing. I guess some people like to be led while others like to lead.

Nope, has nothing to do with it, but thanks for playing.

My bad then. It's hard to tell the legit free thinkers from the mindless followers because of all the score nut-hugging that goes on here.

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@DarkLink77 said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

Nah, I'm a huge Zelda fan and I was always interested in the title. I just wasn't sure if I wanted to play it now or wait a little bit so I could clear the backlog a little more.

But I've heard nothing but good things from various websites and a ton of friends, so I guess i'll move up my date of acquisition.

Yeah I see. I've always been interested in it, but I can't get into handhelds...

Also, GOTY awards do shine light on games that you may have missed as well.

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@Zen_Light said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@Zen_Light said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

lol I was wondering the same thing. I guess some people like to be led while others like to lead.

Nope, has nothing to do with it, but thanks for playing.

My bad then. It's hard to tell the legit free thinkers from the mindless followers because of all the score nut-hugging that goes on here.

It's fine. It's more of a "do I buy this now? Or do I finish up Majora's Mask and a couple other games and then play it?"

My completion rate this year has been good, but I've been trying to trim the backlog, so I'm hesitant to buy anything new. I almost didn't by Bioshock Infinite or The Last of Us. I'm glad I did, though.

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#219 ActicEdge
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I'm genuinely shocked. Not because the quality of the game but rather because I never thought a handheld game could win GOTY. If any series was gonna do it though, it definitely was gonna be Zelda.

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Lets see GoTY goes to a game no expected

Yep, still on gamespot.

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@Blabadon said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@Blabadon said:

@Xaero_Gravity said:

@Blabadon:

Come again? o:

Go buy Tearaway.

Stop telling us to buy games.

I'm at an airport, watching Superbad and responding to the only decent users left on this damn site.

I will do damn well whatever I want to.

And we caaaan't stop... and we wooon't stop...

Enjoy your trip. :O

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#223 DarkLink77
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@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

Nah, I'm a huge Zelda fan and I was always interested in the title. I just wasn't sure if I wanted to play it now or wait a little bit so I could clear the backlog a little more.

But I've heard nothing but good things from various websites and a ton of friends, so I guess i'll move up my date of acquisition.

Yeah I see. I've always been interested in it, but I can't get into handhelds...

Also, GOTY awards do shine light on games that you may have missed as well.

It's true. I didn't play The Walking Dead until after it won a ton of awards because I don't have a lot of experience with adventure games (and I'm not a huge fan of the IP) and didn't want to spend the money on something I might not like.

But the sheer amount of awards meant I could get it on the cheap from so many sales, so I was like, "Okay. I'll take a chance for like $5.00." And I'm glad I did.

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#224  Edited By jg4xchamp
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@TREAL_Since said:

Minus all of the inane ridiculous stuff in the game, there's some cultural exposé within GTA V. Everything is a learning experience if you'd let it be, but it depends on the individual. Surprisingly, there's some overblown, yet spot on, and satirical truth about American culture in the GTA games. Especially GTA V!

I'll give an example of what Will Wright said about games, and learning experiences in general, during an interview on Star Talk Live hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson (paraphrase):

"Games in general can be learning experiences. They are a means to experience a multitude of things you wouldn't actually do in real life. They can contribute to life training in many ways from."

I am not against the idea of a game being a learning experience or a game being reflective(I'm a big fan of the existence of Papo & Yo, not necessarily the execution of that game). GTA 5, however I would disagree. For every moment the game handles well(for instance, I think the Torture stuff is handled way better than people are giving Rockstar credit for), their actual narrative has nothing really to offer. A character study works when the character develops along the way. But the 3 protagonists in GTA 5 simply don't develop along the way. The are one note by the end. Trevor's shtick of being crazy is just that he's crazy, and whatever backstabbed. Michael's unhappiness, and Franklin who probably deserved better after a certain point is just there. He's a middle man that shows up in what is mostly Michael and Trevor's plot.

Another thing a game can do is be reflective of something(character studies aren't necessarily the same thing), and GTA 5 isn't that at all. The satire has been the same jokes Rockstar has been selling for a decade. Some of it is out right 2 years late to the party(1%ers, wallstreet, etc), and above all else what did GTA 5 ever really have to say as a game? Because I would argue amongst its 3 endings, nothing really. It's a basic backstab plot, that either ends with making two of the characters deplorable, or a third ending where they get away with everything and you're left hollow as an audience member.

To put it another way while Breaking Bad can lay claim to having a genuinely well done character study, it has nothing to say on a reflective level. What could it possibly tell you? "cooking meth is bad and will have negative effects on your family". On the flip side you have something like Treme which does have something to say about a post Katrina New Orleans, or The Wire when it comes to violence and corruption in Baltimore. Is Breaking Bad still excellent? you're god damn right it is. Reflective or a show with something say? Absolutely not. Not in comparison to shows that have come before, are out now, and will come after.

That is my stance with GTA 5, fun game, but outside a few moments it has nothing to really say with it's narrative. Largely because it doesn't go through the trouble of actually developing its characters. You got more from it? more power to you, but I would argue GTA 5 doesn't make enough of an effort to really earn it.

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Just bought this for a xmas present for my 8 year old. I plan on playing it after he is done.

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I need to pick this up, hated pokemon x, y will trade it in for zelda.

good to see the GOTY nominee list was dominated by PC exclusives, Nintendo games and 1 playstation game... rest multiplats.

the overall nomination list is good, can't complain.

I'm glad DoTA 2 was even on there, let alone Path of Exile, starting to think gamespot was litterally just a casual chav spot with very outdated "perspectives" of what is currently "big". well, if we were to go by these forums.

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#227  Edited By deactivated-59b71619573a1
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Well it IS pretty damn great. I had never played a Zelda game before and I'm addicted to this one. Such a well made game that it's really hard to fault it

Still surprised they chose it though

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#228  Edited By Rage010101
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@MBirdy88 said:

I need to pick this up, hated pokemon x, y will trade it in for zelda.

good to see the GOTY nominee list was dominated by PC exclusives, Nintendo games and 1 playstation game... rest multiplats.

the overall nomination list is good, can't complain.

I'm glad DoTA 2 was even on there, let alone Path of Exile, starting to think gamespot was litterally just a casual chav spot with very outdated "perspectives" of what is currently "big". well, if we were to go by these forums.

^ This

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Well it IS pretty damn great. I had never played a Zelda game before and I'm addicted to this one. Such a well made game that it's really hard to fault it

Still surprised they chose it though

Game is the worst, ruins all the important narratives

>Handhelds are the worst
>Zelda is twice as bad as handhelds

And then this game happens. Nintendo selfish as ****.

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@finalfantasy94 said:

That tri force hunt crippled WW imo. It was so bad I was about to say f it and not finish the rest.That was indeed poor game design.Lucky I suffered through it.

The Triforce Hunt was awful. At least they fixed it in Wind Waker HD.

What did you think of Wind Waker overall, then?

I actually enjoyed it alot besides that awful awful thing.

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#231 DarkLink77
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@MBirdy88 said:

I need to pick this up, hated pokemon x, y will trade it in for zelda.

good to see the GOTY nominee list was dominated by PC exclusives, Nintendo games and 1 playstation game... rest multiplats.

the overall nomination list is good, can't complain.

I'm glad DoTA 2 was even on there, let alone Path of Exile, starting to think gamespot was litterally just a casual chav spot with very outdated "perspectives" of what is currently "big". well, if we were to go by these forums.

I think everyone who posts on this forum realizes how big DOTA 2 is, even if they, like me, don't particularly care about it.

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#232  Edited By AtariKidX
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A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

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#233 LegatoSkyheart
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@AtariKidX said:

A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

GOTY enough for Gamespot.

It even got the 3DS it's first full AAA title.

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#234 DarkLink77
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A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

AtariKid so buttthurt that The Last of Us didn't win.

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@jg4xchamp said:

@TREAL_Since said:

Minus all of the inane ridiculous stuff in the game, there's some cultural exposé within GTA V. Everything is a learning experience if you'd let it be, but it depends on the individual. Surprisingly, there's some overblown, yet spot on, and satirical truth about American culture in the GTA games. Especially GTA V!

I'll give an example of what Will Wright said about games, and learning experiences in general, during an interview on Star Talk Live hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson (paraphrase):

"Games in general can be learning experiences. They are a means to experience a multitude of things you wouldn't actually do in real life. They can contribute to life training in many ways from."

I am not against the idea of a game being a learning experience or a game being reflective(I'm a big fan of the existence of Papo & Yo, not necessarily the execution of that game). GTA 5, however I would disagree. For every moment the game handles well(for instance, I think the Torture stuff is handled way better than people are giving Rockstar credit for), their actual narrative has nothing really to offer. A character study works when the character develops along the way. But the 3 protagonists in GTA 5 simply don't develop along the way. The are one note by the end. Trevor's shtick of being crazy is just that he's crazy, and whatever backstabbed. Michael's unhappiness, and Franklin who probably deserved better after a certain point is just there. He's a middle man that shows up in what is mostly Michael and Trevor's plot.

Another thing a game can do is be reflective of something(character studies aren't necessarily the same thing), and GTA 5 isn't that at all. The satire has been the same jokes Rockstar has been selling for a decade. Some of it is out right 2 years late to the party(1%ers, wallstreet, etc), and above all else what did GTA 5 ever really have to say as a game? Because I would argue amongst its 3 endings, nothing really. It's a basic backstab plot, that either ends with making two of the characters deplorable, or a third ending where they get away with everything and you're left hollow as an audience member.

To put it another way while Breaking Bad can lay claim to having a genuinely well done character study, it has nothing to say on a reflective level. What could it possibly tell you? "cooking meth is bad and will have negative effects on your family". On the flip side you have something like Treme which does have something to say about a post Katrina New Orleans, or The Wire when it comes to violence and corruption in Baltimore. Is Breaking Bad still excellent? you're god damn right it is. Reflective or a show with something say? Absolutely not. Not in comparison to shows that have come before, are out now, and will come after.

That is my stance with GTA 5, fun game, but outside a few moments it has nothing to really say with it's narrative. Largely because it doesn't go through the trouble of actually developing its characters. You got more from it? more power to you, but I would argue GTA 5 doesn't make enough of an effort to really earn it.

I'm glad you responded. I really enjoyed reading it!

For seasoned life 'experiencers' like us, GTA may not say much. But there's a 15 year old kid out there who's just mind blown at the cultural relevancy and things they can learn from a game like GTA, lol. The radio commentary and advertising in particular. It extends beyond the actual story arch. Also, Rockstar are late to the party with specific topics of course, mostly due to their dev cycles. But it still relevant, depending on who you are.

You're right, Trevor and the gang aren't real character studies. But they are interesting characters for me, who exist in the real world. They are well done for what they represent, but they don't evolve. So you can say they are a study of a one note individual, haha.

On to Breaking Bad, I think it has something to say, but not many things to say, like The Wire! Season 4 of the Wire is probably the greatest thing to ever hit HBO, or television for that matter. Damn, just thinking about it makes me happy that it exists.

I need to watch Treme! Currently watching The Returned, which is has some decent character development. Mostly, it's just a twist on the living dead.

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I'm kind of sad GOTY wasn't won by pretentious writing, mediocre gameplay mechanics and an attempt to push the median forward. Its this sort of initiative that makes the fact that I don't read reviews look ridiculous :( But in all honesty, Gamespot for the last few years has generally not picked the over all popular flavour of the year games as GOTY (well Journey is arguable). So while this should be surprising to me, I guess it isn't. 2D Zelda are some of my favs so I'm excited to play this. Also pretty pumped to start TLOU (today's the day)

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Well it IS pretty damn great. I had never played a Zelda game before and I'm addicted to this one. Such a well made game that it's really hard to fault it

Still surprised they chose it though

oh wow. i really recommend you play a link to the past, ocarina of time, majora's mask, and wind waker asap! If you wanna go back even further, the very first Zelda is also personally one of my favorites. Just stay away from Zelda 2.

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@DarkLink77 said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

Nah, I'm a huge Zelda fan and I was always interested in the title. I just wasn't sure if I wanted to play it now or wait a little bit so I could clear the backlog a little more.

But I've heard nothing but good things from various websites and a ton of friends, so I guess i'll move up my date of acquisition.

Yeah I see. I've always been interested in it, but I can't get into handhelds...

Also, GOTY awards do shine light on games that you may have missed as well.

It's true. I didn't play The Walking Dead until after it won a ton of awards because I don't have a lot of experience with adventure games (and I'm not a huge fan of the IP) and didn't want to spend the money on something I might not like.

But the sheer amount of awards meant I could get it on the cheap from so many sales, so I was like, "Okay. I'll take a chance for like $5.00." And I'm glad I did.

If you like The Walking Dead, you may like David Cage's games. Maybe. Tell Tale sorta jacked his formula and made it more accessible. Plus The Walking Dead is a property that is well known, so it's easier to digest and get into.

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@LegatoSkyheart said:

@AtariKidX said:

A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

GOTY enough for Gamespot.

It even got the 3DS it's first full AAA title.

@DarkLink77 said:

@AtariKidX said:

A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

AtariKid so buttthurt that The Last of Us didn't win.

Gamespot.......................lolol

GTA V and TLOU are the only true GOTY games.

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@Rage010101 said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Well it IS pretty damn great. I had never played a Zelda game before and I'm addicted to this one. Such a well made game that it's really hard to fault it

Still surprised they chose it though

oh wow. i really recommend you play a link to the past, ocarina of time, majora's mask, and wind waker asap!

And Twilight Princess. It's really the ultimate realization of what Ocarina of Time established.

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@TREAL_Since said:

@jg4xchamp said:

@TREAL_Since said:

Minus all of the inane ridiculous stuff in the game, there's some cultural exposé within GTA V. Everything is a learning experience if you'd let it be, but it depends on the individual. Surprisingly, there's some overblown, yet spot on, and satirical truth about American culture in the GTA games. Especially GTA V!

I'll give an example of what Will Wright said about games, and learning experiences in general, during an interview on Star Talk Live hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson (paraphrase):

"Games in general can be learning experiences. They are a means to experience a multitude of things you wouldn't actually do in real life. They can contribute to life training in many ways from."

I am not against the idea of a game being a learning experience or a game being reflective(I'm a big fan of the existence of Papo & Yo, not necessarily the execution of that game). GTA 5, however I would disagree. For every moment the game handles well(for instance, I think the Torture stuff is handled way better than people are giving Rockstar credit for), their actual narrative has nothing really to offer. A character study works when the character develops along the way. But the 3 protagonists in GTA 5 simply don't develop along the way. The are one note by the end. Trevor's shtick of being crazy is just that he's crazy, and whatever backstabbed. Michael's unhappiness, and Franklin who probably deserved better after a certain point is just there. He's a middle man that shows up in what is mostly Michael and Trevor's plot.

Another thing a game can do is be reflective of something(character studies aren't necessarily the same thing), and GTA 5 isn't that at all. The satire has been the same jokes Rockstar has been selling for a decade. Some of it is out right 2 years late to the party(1%ers, wallstreet, etc), and above all else what did GTA 5 ever really have to say as a game? Because I would argue amongst its 3 endings, nothing really. It's a basic backstab plot, that either ends with making two of the characters deplorable, or a third ending where they get away with everything and you're left hollow as an audience member.

To put it another way while Breaking Bad can lay claim to having a genuinely well done character study, it has nothing to say on a reflective level. What could it possibly tell you? "cooking meth is bad and will have negative effects on your family". On the flip side you have something like Treme which does have something to say about a post Katrina New Orleans, or The Wire when it comes to violence and corruption in Baltimore. Is Breaking Bad still excellent? you're god damn right it is. Reflective or a show with something say? Absolutely not. Not in comparison to shows that have come before, are out now, and will come after.

That is my stance with GTA 5, fun game, but outside a few moments it has nothing to really say with it's narrative. Largely because it doesn't go through the trouble of actually developing its characters. You got more from it? more power to you, but I would argue GTA 5 doesn't make enough of an effort to really earn it.

I'm glad you responded. I really enjoyed reading it!

For seasoned life 'experiencers' like us, GTA may not say much. But there's a 15 year old kid out there who's just mind blown at the cultural relevancy and things they can learn from a game like GTA, lol. The radio commentary and advertising in particular. It extends beyond the actual story arch. Also, Rockstar are late to the party with specific topics of course, mostly due to their dev cycles. But it still relevant, depending on who you are.

You're right, Trevor and the gang aren't real character studies. But they are interesting characters for me, who exist in the real world. They are well done for what they represent, but they don't evolve. So you can say they are a study of a one note individual, haha.

On to Breaking Bad, I think it has something to say, but not many things to say, like The Wire! Season 4 of the Wire is probably the greatest thing to ever hit HBO, or television for that matter. Damn, just thinking about it makes me happy that it exists.

I need to watch Treme! Currently watching The Returned, which is has some decent character development. Mostly, it's just a twist on the living dead.

Treme is cool so long as you don't expect The Wire from it(same creator), and it's even more of a slow burn. But it's interesting. Post katrina New Orleans is going to deliver some ballsy stuff, look up Beasts of the Southern Wild. Watched that on a frozenliquid recommendation, film is impressive.

As for GTA 5 agreed that it has its place, and sure I might be coming down hard on it. But I think given that they have shown glimpses of brilliance(Marston, parts of GTA 4s narrative, even parts of GTA 5), I think they need something that rids them of the baggage of GTA. Something that isn't tied to what they think is "well that has to be in a GTA game", and more "That has to be in something we're trying to evoke". I'm of the theory that they do a lot more of the former than the latter.

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@Rage010101 said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Well it IS pretty damn great. I had never played a Zelda game before and I'm addicted to this one. Such a well made game that it's really hard to fault it

Still surprised they chose it though

oh wow. i really recommend you play a link to the past, ocarina of time, majora's mask, and wind waker asap!

Play the Windwaker HD remaster. I played windwaker and the triforce hunt is completely not fun in its 2003 form.

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#243  Edited By FireEmblem_Man
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@AtariKidX: How many GOTY titles won with the Vita?

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@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

Nah, I'm a huge Zelda fan and I was always interested in the title. I just wasn't sure if I wanted to play it now or wait a little bit so I could clear the backlog a little more.

But I've heard nothing but good things from various websites and a ton of friends, so I guess i'll move up my date of acquisition.

Yeah I see. I've always been interested in it, but I can't get into handhelds...

Also, GOTY awards do shine light on games that you may have missed as well.

It's true. I didn't play The Walking Dead until after it won a ton of awards because I don't have a lot of experience with adventure games (and I'm not a huge fan of the IP) and didn't want to spend the money on something I might not like.

But the sheer amount of awards meant I could get it on the cheap from so many sales, so I was like, "Okay. I'll take a chance for like $5.00." And I'm glad I did.

If you like The Walking Dead, you may like David Cage's games. Maybe. Tell Tale sorta jacked his formula and made it more accessible. Plus The Walking Dead is a property that is well known, so it's easier to digest and get into.

I enjoyed the demo for Heavy Rain for what it was. Might be worth grabbing. I dislike what I've seen of his writing style, though.

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@AtariKidX said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

@AtariKidX said:

A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

GOTY enough for Gamespot.

It even got the 3DS it's first full AAA title.

@DarkLink77 said:

@AtariKidX said:

A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

AtariKid so buttthurt that The Last of Us didn't win.

Gamespot.......................lolol

GTA V and TLOU are the only true GOTY games.

Butthurt cow #58. Get in line kid, there's plenty of butthurt cows in this thread as is.

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@Rage010101 said:

@AtariKidX said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

@AtariKidX said:

A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

GOTY enough for Gamespot.

It even got the 3DS it's first full AAA title.

@DarkLink77 said:

@AtariKidX said:

A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

AtariKid so buttthurt that The Last of Us didn't win.

Gamespot.......................lolol

GTA V and TLOU are the only true GOTY games.

Butthurt cow #58. Get in line kid, there's plenty of butthurt cows in this thread as is.

Because GS gave a handheld title as GOTY.....that it is not means nothing.Gamespot.......................lolol

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@AtariKidX said:

Because GS gave a handheld title as GOTY.....that it is not means nothing.Gamespot.......................lolol

Yet here you are posting on Gamespot, moron. Lololol

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@Zen_Light said:

@TREAL_Since said:

@DarkLink77 said:

Damn, this is a surprise, but it's a cool one. There were a ton of worthy games this year, though. All of the nominees could have walked away with it. The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V, Gone Home, Tomb Raider, and a ton more. One of the best years this gen, up there with 2010 (The GOAT) and 2007.

I guess I have to play ALBW now.

You have to play it now because it won GOTY? I guess I see what you mean. Before, you didn't have as much interest, but since it garnered high praise from GS staff, it caught your attention?

lol I was wondering the same thing. I guess some people like to be led while others like to lead.

Good lord it's just gaming.

You fuckers are serious.

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@AtariKidX said:

@Rage010101 said:

@AtariKidX said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

@AtariKidX said:

A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

GOTY enough for Gamespot.

It even got the 3DS it's first full AAA title.

@DarkLink77 said:

@AtariKidX said:

A handheld title as GOTY....???lol

Good game but not GOTY material.

AtariKid so buttthurt that The Last of Us didn't win.

Gamespot.......................lolol

GTA V and TLOU are the only true GOTY games.

Butthurt cow #58. Get in line kid, there's plenty of butthurt cows in this thread as is.

Because GS gave a handheld title as GOTY.....that it is not means nothing.Gamespot.......................lolol

All it simply means is that a console kid like yourself can stay forever butthurt over 2013 GoTY becuase you are a slave to plastic with the words "Sony" written on it

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A Link Between Worlds is the best handheld Zelda (and maybe best overall Zelda) in years, but I do see this more as GameSpot acknowledging the 3DS as a whole. It's had such a fantastic year, so I'm very much OK with this.