Hahaha man, love or hate Microsoft, this thread already 6 pages in deep while Nintendo & Sony are slim pickings...lmao. Microsoft sure has attracted the lot of you!
1. So you've avoided my question then...... They've also improved the MSAA which would increase bandwidth usage but a 0.2fps drop indicates to me it's nothing
2. but a code issue, it could of simply of been caused by a disk read or HDD access.
Simply saying it has issues with alpha affects with absolutely nothing to back it up is extremely silly........
3. And yet again using PC hardware performance as an indication of Scorpio is just plain idiotic, the 1070 in the above video is being push by a much, much faster CPU then what Scorpio has and the 1070 has more memory, more bandwidth, more fill rate........
1. I haven't avoided it. Again, drop to less than 60 fps indicates head room issues, hence it's lack of 1440p resolution boost. PS4 Pro's 0.5 GB memory storage increase could be another problem e.g. not enough storage space for additional performance memory cache.
2. So you've avoided my question. Again, drop to less than 60 fps indicates head room issues, hence it's lack of 1440p resolution boost.
3. The programmers for Dirt 4 has indicated Scorpio has 4K 60 fps potential. Again, read http://gamingbolt.com/dirt-4-running-at-4k60fps-on-xbox-scorpio-is-theoretically-possible-ps4xbox-one-version-may-use-dynamic-resolution
XBO version has 1600 x 900p to 1920 x 1080p dynamic resolution and Scorpio was designed to boost these XBO resolution targets to 4K. Scorpio's 9 GB game memory can support PC's higher quality art assets.
The game physics/AI already has 60 hz update rate on console hardware.
Here we go, education time...
1 & 2. Any drop in frame rate can be caused BY ANYTHING..... bad code can cause performance issues and that is not a head room issue is it? It's an optimisation issue. Even PC games can get frame rate drops due to I/O or background processes. Once again you're speaking out of your ass without any viable evidence other then 'because you say so argument' - You are doing nothing but guess work and don't have a damn clue.
3. Read your link again... 'THEORETICALLY" possible.... is not the same as 'IS POSSIBLE' - And yes Scorpio is designed to run 900p/1080p Xbone games at 4k.... AT XBONE QUALITY SETTINGS...... Remember Pro is running at 1080p with INCREASED quality settings.
And as highlighted above, if Pro is stuck at 1080p (Again no proof to say it is) how is Scorpio going to render Dirt 4 at 4x the resolution with only a ~50% performance advantage? Teh secret sauce? teh cloud?
1 and 2. It's you who needs education. Again, so you've avoided my question with excuses.
You still underestimating memory storage and bandwidth increase.
Scorpio's 9 GB vs PS4 Pro's 5.5 GB = ~1.63X or ~63 percent higher
Scorpio's 326 GB/s phy BW vs PS4 Pro's 218 GB/s phy BW = ~1.50X or ~50 percent higher
Scorpio's 6 TFLOPS FP32 vs PS4 Pro's 4.2 TFLOPS FP32 = 1.43X or 43 percent higher
This is not another PS4 vs XBO situation when both consoles has about 5 GB game storage and similar memory bandwidth.
Now, your education.
Scorpio's ~66 percent GPU usage Forza example has XBO gfx setting with 4K assets and dynamic weather.
2 days to port onto Scorpio with no optimizations to it's hardware at all
Ran Forza 6 with 4k assets,
Dynamic Weather added
Native 4k
Locked 60fps
GPU usage 55%-70%
Settings cranked up to pc ultra with gpu usage hovering around 88% with some spikes to 100%. same high LOD car model for ALL cars even cars 100s ft away Again with no optimizations, aka brute force running on Scorpio
XBO FM6 build doesn't have dynamic weather! Hint: Scorpio's Forza reveal is actually closer to Horzion 3 build since this game has dynamic weather.
3. It's the same as Project Cars 2 developer's comment on Scorpio.
Forza is not DiRT..... DiRT is not Forza..... using how one game uses hardware to gauge how another will is a dumb fucking argument.
And you've not explained how Scorpio is going to do 4x as much with only 50% more, other then quoting a bunch of numbers which:
a. I'm fully aware of
b. Highlight my point that it's only ~50% more and yet is expected to do 4x as many pixels
Why? The GPU in that system alone if dedicated would equate to roughly $300 in the PC market, it's superior to a 390X, anyone who would actually be shocked by $499 is obviously clueless.
@Chutebox said:
Not surprising if true. They're most likely not looking to sell a shit load of these from the get go.
Not to mention natural price trends and cost cuts over time.
Consumer prices for PC parts are irrelevant to what Microsoft and Sony pay for mass produced APUs. The APU in the Scorpio is really not that much more expensive than the Pro's. Same CPU, Polaris based GPU like the Pro but with 4 extra compute units. Its really the higher clock rates that got it to the 6 Tflops goal.
The extra 4 GB's of Ram is probably the most expensive part in the Scorpio compared to the Pro. UHD Blu-ray assembly in late 2016 was only $15 more expensive than a standard Blu-ray assembly. The price is sure to come down even more in late 2017, so really its probably not even worth mentioning the UHD player within the bill of materials to try and justify a $500 price point. Unless they bundle in the Elite Controller and or a 2TB HDD I don't see why on Earth the Scorpio should be priced at $500 for a late 2017 release. This is exactly what a $399.99 console looks like in late 2017.
I wouldn't agree with that, assuming the Xbox One was at like 19 million when this feature came out and likely at 30 million now, that's like 20 hours per person if absolutely everyone on the platform was using it.
do you know what 20 hours per person is divided by more than 550 days?
Why? The GPU in that system alone if dedicated would equate to roughly $300 in the PC market, it's superior to a 390X, anyone who would actually be shocked by $499 is obviously clueless.
@Chutebox said:
Not surprising if true. They're most likely not looking to sell a shit load of these from the get go.
Not to mention natural price trends and cost cuts over time.
Consumer prices for PC parts are irrelevant to what Microsoft and Sony pay for mass produced APUs. The APU in the Scorpio is really not that much more expensive than the Pro's. Same CPU, Polaris based GPU like the Pro but with 4 extra compute units. Its really the higher clock rates that got it to the 6 Tflops goal.
The extra 4 GB's of Ram is probably the most expensive part in the Scorpio compared to the Pro. UHD Blu-ray assembly in late 2016 was only $15 more expensive than a standard Blu-ray assembly, so the price is sure to come down even more in late 2017, so really its probably not even worth mentioning the UHD player within the bill of materials to try and justify a $500 price point.
The cooling solution, though. The original PS3 had the same issue. The heat sink in that thing was bonkers, but the Scorpio's phase exchange cooling is a whole new level. Paying for a custom part like that is a bit of coin.
Aside from the hardcore cows screaming dead on arrival if it isn't priced at $399, most of us here assumed it would be around the $499 price range, even myself included in numerous past posts. Some even thought it would cost more than $499 give that Microsoft stated it was a "premium" product. Anyways, I'm loving that they might keep the name Scorpio, it is a great name and sounds cool...lol. Definitely excited for Microsoft in the coming hours to see what they have planned, but I'm definitely pre-ordering one, so for me, this isn't dead on arrival :)
The cooling solution, though. The original PS3 had the same issue. The heat sink in that thing was bonkers, but the Scorpio's phase exchange cooling is a whole new level. Paying for a custom part like that is a bit of coin.
OK, let's say it costs an extra $15 compared to the standard fan cooler they used before. Still don't see where a $500 price point is justified. Phil just wants his mic drop moment, that is all.
Those names are stupid because they have the "XXX" in front of them and ending with them...lmfao. Scorpio is one of the better names I've heard for a console in a long time. Much better than Xbox One or Playstation Pro...lol
The sad thing is is that I can already tell that MS's whole conference is going to be judged on Scorpio's price... which is ridiculous. Everyone (including the media) decided long ago that it'd be 'DOA' if it wasn't $399... now that it looks like it'll be $499 (which was always more realistic), everyone has made up their minds that it's all over. It's beyond ridiculous.
I can guarantee that if Sony announced a similar spec'd console and priced it at $499, everyone would be fine with it.
I mean, after a year of calling it Scorpio I'm so used to it that the name makes perfect sense :P Likewise, if the Switch had retained it's "NX" name, I wouldn't have minded. Of course, no idea how good either these project names would be/are for marketing.
Those names are stupid because they have the "XXX" in front of them and ending with them...lmfao. Scorpio is one of the better names I've heard for a console in a long time. Much better than Xbox One or Playstation Pro...lol
Meh, maybe it sounds good to an English speaker, but to me (European) it sounds tacky.
Those names are stupid because they have the "XXX" in front of them and ending with them...lmfao. Scorpio is one of the better names I've heard for a console in a long time. Much better than Xbox One or Playstation Pro...lol
Meh, maybe it sounds good to an English speaker, but to me (European) it sounds tacky.
Any suggestions for a better name than the Scorpio? Curious to see what you would prefer as a name...lol. No judgement!
The sad thing is is that I can already tell that MS's whole conference is going to be judged on Scorpio's price... which is ridiculous. Everyone (including the media) decided long ago that it'd be 'DOA' if it wasn't $399... now that it looks like it'll be $499 (which was always more realistic), everyone has made up their minds that it's all over. It's beyond ridiculous.
I can guarantee that if Sony announced a similar spec'd console and priced it at $499, everyone would be fine with it.
Anyway, bring on the conference!
The hardcore cows have been claiming this thing dead on arrival since it's announcement all because Xbox "never" had games...which is weird, because I've played Forza Horizon III, Halo, Gears, Rainbow Six: Siege, etc. I'm not sure what those are called if not games...lol
Stupid name imo, reminds me of one of those Xxx_Beast_Master_xxX douchebag live/PSN names :D :D :D
Those names are stupid because they have the "XXX" in front of them and ending with them...lmfao. Scorpio is one of the better names I've heard for a console in a long time. Much better than Xbox One or Playstation Pro...lol
Meh, maybe it sounds good to an English speaker, but to me (European) it sounds tacky.
Any suggestions for a better name than the Scorpio? Curious to see what you would prefer as a name...lol. No judgement!
Those names are stupid because they have the "XXX" in front of them and ending with them...lmfao. Scorpio is one of the better names I've heard for a console in a long time. Much better than Xbox One or Playstation Pro...lol
Meh, maybe it sounds good to an English speaker, but to me (European) it sounds tacky.
Any suggestions for a better name than the Scorpio? Curious to see what you would prefer as a name...lol. No judgement!
Well something with some class, not an animal or some MTV gangsta rapper name LOL. At this point the name could as well be Xbox Mega Fire Ultra Force or something :P
Stupid name imo, reminds me of one of those Xxx_Beast_Master_xxX douchebag live/PSN names :D :D :D
Those names are stupid because they have the "XXX" in front of them and ending with them...lmfao. Scorpio is one of the better names I've heard for a console in a long time. Much better than Xbox One or Playstation Pro...lol
Meh, maybe it sounds good to an English speaker, but to me (European) it sounds tacky.
Any suggestions for a better name than the Scorpio? Curious to see what you would prefer as a name...lol. No judgement!
They need to show Scorpio running actual GAMES in 4k.......... Then give people the price..... If they don't show it off that much and show the price it'll be bad.
People won't mind the price as long as they can see what they're going to be getting for the money.
They need to show Scorpio running actual GAMES in 4k.......... Then give people the price..... If they don't show it off that much and show the price it'll be bad.
People won't mind the price as long as they can see what they're going to be getting for the money.
I feel this is what they're going to do, I don't think they'll announce a $499 price and then start showing off the games. Show off the console, boot it up, take us through the differences from the Scorpio and the Xbox One. Maybe do comparisons, like showcasing what the Scorpio can do, and then pop in a slider and notice the difference from the Scorpio over the Xbox One. Same with the Xbox 360 titles...
How do you even know him is a better question,he was gone before you even join up...hahahahahaa
Some of you don't really know how to hide well...lol
The real one's account isn't banned at all. He just left it alone and if that was indeed him, he'd be using his old account cause there's nothing wrong with it. Even Stevo told me the reason why he left GS.
Edit: In the matter of speaking, I'm surprise Stevo the Gamer isn't the one making the MS thread instead of Desmonic. Stevo must be really busy.
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