**MUST SEE** New Battlefield 3 Footage (17 min interview)

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Is it confirmed we get to see MP footage finally at E3?

ChubbyGuy40

Well its MP has been in development for years. The Battlefield 2 team had to be doing something during the course between BF2's release and porting BC2 to PC.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

I cant wait. This is the next big shooter im getting. I really enjoyed BFBC.

ChubbyGuy40

I think its SP is really underrated. B-Company is extremely funny.

i hope they dont change much if any of the design of the game.. (all i want is weapon unlocks , not total customization)campzor

i hope they dont change much if any of the design of the game.. (all i want is weapon unlocks , not total customization)campzor

What is wrong with customisation

[QUOTE="campzor"]i hope they dont change much if any of the design of the game.. (all i want is weapon unlocks , not total customization)dercoo

What is wrong with customisation

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

MobilechicaneX

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

MobilechicaneX

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

MobilechicaneX

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

MobilechicaneX

Battlefield = f'ing awesome (mainly) PC series

Karkand = f'ing awesome

Battlefield 2 = best online MP of all time

DICE = always gives PC free map packs/DLC. If it isn't free at launch they include it in a patch later. So giving away their best maps that are remade AND for free simply by preordering it is pretty sweet. Consolers obviously have no problem paying for map packs (especially ones that are just ported over from the last CoD and nothing changed ;) ) so theres no problem there. Everything has gone better than expected.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] The sales don't reflect your 'down the drain' statement as sales are going up as they should. so insert coin and try againLto_thaG

Maybe you missed the links on the last page.

Bad Company 2 = 88.02%

Black Ops (The biggest seller BTW) = 78.27%

You also have a false presumpion that everyone who buys it, enjoys the game. Once again, you do not understand the concept of sales.

Exactly, who cares about the console version. Cuz I sure as hell don't...

[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

ChubbyGuy40

Battlefield = f'ing awesome (mainly) PC series

Karkand = f'ing awesome

Battlefield 2 = best online MP of all time

DICE = always gives PC free map packs/DLC. If it isn't free at launch they include it in a patch later. So giving away their best maps that are remade AND for free simply by preordering it is pretty sweet. Consolers obviously have no problem paying for map packs (especially ones that are just ported over from the last CoD and nothing changed ;) ) so theres no problem there. Everything has gone better than expected.

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

MobilechicaneX

[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

ChubbyGuy40

Battlefield = f'ing awesome (mainly) PC series

Karkand = f'ing awesome

Battlefield 2 = best online MP of all time

DICE = always gives PC free map packs/DLC. If it isn't free at launch they include it in a patch later. So giving away their best maps that are remade AND for free simply by preordering it is pretty sweet. Consolers obviously have no problem paying for map packs (especially ones that are just ported over from the last CoD and nothing changed ;) ) so theres no problem there. Everything has gone better than expected.

Even if it was free cod would still stump BF. Too much focus on pc equals crappy sales EA. Consoles are the bread and butter for sales and I m still waiting for 60 fps on xbox until then they have no chance of beating COD.viper-kid

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

Battlefield = f'ing awesome (mainly) PC series

Karkand = f'ing awesome

Battlefield 2 = best online MP of all time

DICE = always gives PC free map packs/DLC. If it isn't free at launch they include it in a patch later. So giving away their best maps that are remade AND for free simply by preordering it is pretty sweet. Consolers obviously have no problem paying for map packs (especially ones that are just ported over from the last CoD and nothing changed ;) ) so theres no problem there. Everything has gone better than expected.

viper-kid

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

MobilechicaneX

Popularity=sales

Quality=/=sales

fact=/=opinion

Adblock plus+viper-kid = I don't need to see your posts anymore

[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"] [QUOTE="MobilechicaneX"]

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

Jebus213

Popularity=sales

Quality=/=sales

fact=/=opinion

Adblock plus+viper-kid = I don't need to see your posts anymore

Wait a f***ing second. DICE are creating pre-release DLC and SW is ok with it? Simply because it's BF3? Double standards, guys.

MobilechicaneX

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]Even if it was free cod would still stump BF. Too much focus on pc equals crappy sales EA. Consoles are the bread and butter for sales and I m still waiting for 60 fps on xbox until then they have no chance of beating COD.Inconsistancy

So leading on PC gives developers some sort of moral superiority now:?

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="viper-kid"]Even if it was free cod would still stump BF. Too much focus on pc equals crappy sales EA. Consoles are the bread and butter for sales and I m still waiting for 60 fps on xbox until then they have no chance of beating COD.bez2083

So leading on PC gives developers some sort of moral superiority now:?

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="viper-kid"]Even if it was free cod would still stump BF. Too much focus on pc equals crappy sales EA. Consoles are the bread and butter for sales and I m still waiting for 60 fps on xbox until then they have no chance of beating COD.bez2083

So leading on PC gives developers some sort of moral superiority now:?

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Maybe if they are spineless and only want money, I'm glad they are leading on PC, I couldn't care less what consoles get. Quality > sales for me, the end-user.DragonfireXZ95

So leading on PC gives developers some sort of moral superiority now:?

Really?! OK......

Sales are facts viper-kid

The Church refused to buy the quality fact, and bought the rehashed, low quality 'fact' instead. 8)

So leading on PC gives developers some sort of moral superiority now:?

bez2083

No, no, no. I mean that they care about producing quality (regardless of platform) enough to potentially sacrifice sales, rather than just rehashing for money every year.

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] Sales are facts Inconsistancy

The Church refused to buy the quality fact, and bought the rehashed, low quality 'fact' instead. 8)

So leading on PC gives developers some sort of moral superiority now:?

bez2083

No, no, no. I mean that they care about producing quality (regardless of platform) enough to potentially sacrifice sales, rather than just rehashing for money every year.

Thank You for clearing that up! I get what you're saying now.

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] Sales are facts Inconsistancy

The Church refused to buy the quality fact, and bought the rehashed, low quality 'fact' instead. 8)

So leading on PC gives developers some sort of moral superiority now:?

bez2083

No, no, no. I mean that they care about producing quality (regardless of platform) enough to potentially sacrifice sales, rather than just rehashing for money every year.

Well sales are proven facts so... unlike 'hur dur cod sux' which is opinion thats unproven just the the minority screaming non selse.

Well sales are proven facts so... unlike 'hur dur cod sux' which is opinion thats unproven just the the minority screaming non selse.

viper-kid

DICE, you have the opportunity to put Call of Duty to shame and show it for what it really is; the annual activision turd.

It's time to flush that doogan.

Oh, also? It's not particular accurate or kosher to compare entertainment with religious dogma or theory. The point of the former is merely to be entertained and have fun. All the proof you need is whether or not you are having fun (and how does someone prove you're not having fun?). The latter has more to do with a way of life and how you believe the world works. It's much more complicated.AncientDozer

But seriously, was only talking about the church in the first place to setup my shot at CoD. In that shot, I didn't target a religion, just the leaders of it, referring to them as 'the church'. But what I did say about them, is a fact.

@how the world works. The relation is that you can test and prove how the world works, and you can test and prove some aspects of quality in a game. It's very simple really.

[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="gaming25"] Sure, but the facts still remain that the COD franchise still has glaring problems with their games.ChubbyGuy40

Sales do not equal quality or superiority. By your logic Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga must be the most talented musicians ever.

SAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS.

It's funny how much the S-word gets bandied about, considering how very little it means with reference to the actual merit of the game.

If we went by sales, then I should consider Twilight to be the zenith of fantasy literature, and 'baby' by JB to be the best song ever.

Here somebody might interject and say, "Then why are they so popular? Surely they must be good, or do something right. And many popular games are also critically appreciated, what do you have to say about that?"

The answer is simple.

These things are popular because they provide 'easy' entertainment to the user, i.e. because they:

1. Either entertain at a very meagre cost to the user's mental effort, awarding them for little strain, or depict scenarios that are fantasized by many, thus providing instant gratification.

2. They are easy to get into, i.e. the system cuts the user some slack in the beginning (or throughout), and lets him experience desired outcomes without over-burdening him with perfecting the game mechanics at first. hence first timers are not intimidated or put-off by the strangeness, and are instead welcomed by an awarding experience, which draws him into the game and once comforted, motivates him to become better at the game and learn more complex mechanics/perfect them.

Keep in mind that these points(specially the 2nd) are NOT bad at all in themself. Which brings me to the second question about good games being popular.:

The games of that category are popular because they DO THE ABOVE TWO THINGS.(or at least the second one)

The games of that category are GOOD because they do those THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.

The right way means using the 2 points only as a measure to ease the person into the experience. After this easing-into has been done, then the game should pick the pace up, and introduce more mechanics/complexities and in general make the player work harder/think more for reaping the goods, which of course also need to have a higher desirability than previous ones.

A game that refuses to move out of the easing stage becomes stagnant and devolves into a INSTANT GRATIFICATION machine. Which I would say is not good at all.

The next logical question is, "So how can we recognize these 'turds in a game clothing'?"

The answer to that is to know the opinions of those who have been gaming for a long time and also to try and have a trial of the game before buying it.

A game which just provides cheap thrills is great at first , and hence popular, BUT trust me, nothing gets boring as fast as cheap thrills.

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

Well sales are proven facts so... unlike 'hur dur cod sux' which is opinion thats unproven just the the minority screaming non selse.

C_Rule

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

Well sales are proven facts so... unlike 'hur dur cod sux' which is opinion thats unproven just the the minority screaming non selse.

viper-kid

1. Either entertain at a very meagre cost to the user's mental effort, awarding them for little strain, or depict scenarios that are fantasized by many, thus providing instant gratification.

2. They are easy to get into, i.e. the system cuts the user some slack in the beginning (or throughout), and lets him experience desired outcomes without over-burdening him with perfecting the game mechanics at first. hence first timers are not intimidated or put-off by the strangeness, and are instead welcomed by an awarding experience, which draws him into the game and once comforted, motivates him to become better at the game and learn more complex mechanics/perfect them.

Another-World

Remember just cause something is harder doesn't mean its better. Cod is still better easier or harder.

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]
Facts? Proving what? All sales determine is how popular the game is. How many times do you need to be told that there's more to quality than popularity.


If Great wall sell more vehicles than Maserati, does that automatically mean Great Wall are of higher quality?

Honestly, your logic is so flawed... Just how stupid can you get.

Another-World

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

Well sales are proven facts so... unlike 'hur dur cod sux' which is opinion thats unproven just the the minority screaming non selse.

C_Rule

Dude I wouldn't waste my time, some people's minds are just not up to scratch

[QUOTE="Another-World"]

1. Either entertain at a very meagre cost to the user's mental effort, awarding them for little strain, or depict scenarios that are fantasized by many, thus providing instant gratification.

2. They are easy to get into, i.e. the system cuts the user some slack in the beginning (or throughout), and lets him experience desired outcomes without over-burdening him with perfecting the game mechanics at first. hence first timers are not intimidated or put-off by the strangeness, and are instead welcomed by an awarding experience, which draws him into the game and once comforted, motivates him to become better at the game and learn more complex mechanics/perfect them.

viper-kid

Remember just cause something is harder doesn't mean its better. Cod is still better easier or harder.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

Well sales are proven facts so... unlike 'hur dur cod sux' which is opinion thats unproven just the the minority screaming non selse.

seanmcloughlin

Dude I wouldn't waste my time, some people's minds are just not up to scratch

[QUOTE="Another-World"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] There is a reason cod is popular? think about it. Just remember you guys are in the minority. nuff said

viper-kid

One of the best games ever is Shadow of the Colossus. Everyone thinks so and to be honest it didn't sell all that well, compared to its reviews. So no sales are NOT the sign of a good game. Most people get the latest cod to have the newest version of the MP because all their friends upgraded to it.

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

[QUOTE="Another-World"]

1. Either entertain at a very meagre cost to the user's mental effort, awarding them for little strain, or depict scenarios that are fantasized by many, thus providing instant gratification.

2. They are easy to get into, i.e. the system cuts the user some slack in the beginning (or throughout), and lets him experience desired outcomes without over-burdening him with perfecting the game mechanics at first. hence first timers are not intimidated or put-off by the strangeness, and are instead welcomed by an awarding experience, which draws him into the game and once comforted, motivates him to become better at the game and learn more complex mechanics/perfect them.

Another-World

Remember just cause something is harder doesn't mean its better. Cod is still better easier or harder.

So whats that in bold? you made it seem as easy=inferior

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

[QUOTE="Another-World"] cod is popular because of the same exact reason justin beiber, lady gaga, and the twilight series is. For more, read post above yours.

seanmcloughlin

One of the best games ever is Shadow of the Colossus. Everyone thinks so and to be honest it didn't sell all that well, compared to its reviews. So no sales are NOT the sign of a good game. Most people get the latest cod to have the newest version of the MP because all their friends upgraded to it.

Also keep in mind most don't use forum so those people who fond SOC good were in the minority.

[QUOTE="Another-World"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] There is a reason cod is popular? think about it. Just remember you guys are in the minority. nuff said

viper-kid

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] So how did it get popular it because to me popular=better. So by you logic was michael jackson crap because he was popular? think before you speak.

viper-kid

One of the best games ever is Shadow of the Colossus. Everyone thinks so and to be honest it didn't sell all that well, compared to its reviews. So no sales are NOT the sign of a good game. Most people get the latest cod to have the newest version of the MP because all their friends upgraded to it.

Music is a completely different medium that adheres to very different logistics. More people like music than they like games. Stick to video games in the discussion please

[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

One of the best games ever is Shadow of the Colossus. Everyone thinks so and to be honest it didn't sell all that well, compared to its reviews. So no sales are NOT the sign of a good game. Most people get the latest cod to have the newest version of the MP because all their friends upgraded to it.

seanmcloughlin

Music is a completely different medium that adheres to very different logistics. More people like music than they like games. Stick to video games in the discussion please

Also keep in mind most don't use forum so those people who fond SOC good were in the minority.

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

[QUOTE="Another-World"] cod is popular because of the same exact reason justin beiber, lady gaga, and the twilight series is. For more, read post above yours.

Another-World

[QUOTE="Another-World"][QUOTE="viper-kid"]

Remember just cause something is harder doesn't mean its better. Cod is still better easier or harder.

viper-kid

So whats that in bold? you made it seem as easy=inferior