MS new "apple'esque" commercial

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]"After laughing at the prospect of purchasing a Kinect for research, in so doing, Professor Nikolaos Papanikolopoulos has saved researchers more than $100,000,The Minnesota Dailyreports. Several Kinect devices are being used as a video monitoring system to keep an eye on children playing with toys as part of a collaboration to diagnose mental disorders such as OCD and ADD. Data from the cameras is tweaked and then given to doctors."

Oh man the future is now! :roll:

Vaasman

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

Teh future!

If kinect were actually being used in advanced medical procedures or to do something that wasn't possible in medicine with a plain old mouse and keyboard, I might be more excited and impressed.

so now we're going with the bribery defense? really?

oh wait, here's my version *puts tin foil hat on*

Fun Fact: Sony hires people to register in videogame forums and bad mouth it's competition

*take tin foil hat off*

there how did I do?

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

ohthemanatee

Teh future!

If kinect were actually being used in advanced medical procedures or to do something that wasn't possible in medicine with a plain old mouse and keyboard, I might be more excited and impressed.

so now we're going with the bribery defense? really?

btw. lol at the part i bolded since the entire point is to keep the area sterile and not have the doctor contaminate the area by touching things.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

Riverwolf007

something of the sort

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Weren't you guys laughing when Sony called the PS3 a supercomputer? Well many labs have saved thousands of dollars (a Cell BE server for processing costs around $10000 and $15000) using $500 dollar gaming machines. ohthemanatee

something of the sort

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Fun fact, if you pay any doctor anywhere in the world the right amount of money, they will say anything. What they've done is cut out an excessively expensive monitoring system to use the kinect. If that was all they wanted to use it for, they could save even more money by buying a freaking webcam. The kinect in that example wasn't even used for anything that involves movement.

Teh future!

If kinect were actually being used in advanced medical procedures or to do something that wasn't possible in medicine with a plain old mouse and keyboard, I might be more excited and impressed.

Riverwolf007

so now we're going with the bribery defense? really?

btw. lol at the part i bolded since the entire point is to keep the area sterile and not have the doctor contaminate the area by touching things.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

so now we're going with the bribery defense? really?

Vaasman

btw. lol at the part i bolded since the entire point is to keep the area sterile and not have the doctor contaminate the area by touching things.

in the other case they are using it to track movement between the play areas and are using a pc and a kinect to replace someone sitting there and doing it manually.

still pretty sweet if you ask me.

lol, then again i guess now it will be a case of "i'm a research assistant and 360 took ur jerbs!!!!"

i mean it is always something right?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Weren't you guys laughing when Sony called the PS3 a supercomputer? Well many labs have saved thousands of dollars (a Cell BE server for processing costs around $10000 and $15000) using $500 dollar gaming machines. kuraimen

"We will have to continue to use the systems we already have in hand," the lab said, before adding, "This will make it difficult to replace systems that break or fail. The refurbished PS3s also have the problem that when they come back from Sony, they have the firmware (gameOS) and it will not allow Other OS, which seems wrong. We are aware of class-action lawsuits against Sony for taking away this option on systems that use to have it.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]lol, so i'm guessing those labs were shut down when sony removed other os which is what allowed ps3s to be networked that way?

Riverwolf007

something of the sort

No body forced them to update firmware. Guys, if somebody used PS3 for other os only there no point of updateing PS3 firmware to version that removed other OS, they are not stupid to do so.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

something of the sort

ShadowriverUB

No body forced them to update firmware. Guys, if somebody used PS3 for other os only there no point of updateing PS3 firmware to version that removed other OS, they are not stupid to do so.

if it goes back to the factory it gets replaced or firmware upgraded.

if you are the military you don't play around with uncertainties you just start over with a different way to do the same job that is reliable.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]lol, so i'm guessing those labs were shut down when sony removed other os which is what allowed ps3s to be networked that way?

Riverwolf007

"We will have to continue to use the systems we already have in hand," the lab said, before adding, "This will make it difficult to replace systems that break or fail. The refurbished PS3s also have the problem that when they come back from Sony, they have the firmware (gameOS) and it will not allow Other OS, which seems wrong. We are aware of ****action lawsuits against Sony for taking away this option on systems that use to have it.

This does not sound like "scrapped the program"

[QUOTE="ConsoleCounsla_"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Just admit you were proven wrong.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="lhughey"]

You guys sure are short sighted and generally afraid of any piece of technology that pushes the boundaries and the status quo. I would think I was on an AARP sight if I didn't know better. The great thing about Kinect is that you are basically limited by your imagination. The second SDK was released about a week ago (or at least I downloaded it a week ago). You can code in C++ or C# and the SDK comes with a ton of examples. Early next year, M$ will be releasing a commercial SDK so that developers can sell games and applications using Kinect. I feel confident in saying that Kinect is going to a game changer when its all said and done.

Heck, I don't know why I'm wasting my time talking to you. Afterall, you're the guys who think the Kinect is the same as the eye toy :)

kuraimen

That's where you're wrong. It CANT be done on many other cameras without a LOT of work. The power of Kinect is not just the camera, but its the other parts AND the software that access it. If you duplicate the Kinect's ability so easy, why don't you.

Why don't you create a simple application that only returns the distance you are standing from the camera. That should be pretty easy with they eye toy or any other camera, right? The fact is that you cant' even track depth with the eye toy. Its only a 2d device. And even if it could, you couldn't access it because its a closed device. Getting the depth of a person using Kinect is just a few lines of code.

So, there are a lot of differences in the power of the software of Kinect and other camera systems (eye toy, LOL). But there are also many hardware differences. Kinect has an IR sensor that is pretty good. It can also track depth of objects (including small objects, such as fingertips). It can recognize 28 body parts on a body.

Heres another task for you to duplicate on Eye toy or any other camera device. Have 4 people stand at the camera and walk 10 feet away from the camera. Person 1 should be at an angle of 60 degrees left of the camera's centerpoint. Person 2 should be 30 degrees left of the center. Person 3 should be 30 degrees right of the center and person 4 should be 60 degrees right of the center of the camera. Since the depth and angle should be measured by sound, each person should say the word "hello" at the same time. The program should return a true if you are all standing within 1 feet of the requested depth and within 10 degrees of the requested angle.

Can you accomplish this with the eye toy or any other camera that you know of? The answer is surely "no". I don't know of another cameras that 4 microphones. And even if I there was another one, you probably could not easily code against it.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No actually they just don't upgrade the firmware. Is that really so difficult to understand? :|ShadowriverUB

"We will have to continue to use the systems we already have in hand," the lab said, before adding, "This will make it difficult to replace systems that break or fail. The refurbished PS3s also have the problem that when they come back from Sony, they have the firmware (gameOS) and it will not allow Other OS, which seems wrong. We are aware of ****action lawsuits against Sony for taking away this option on systems that use to have it.

This does not sound like "scrapped the program"

right? is that far fetched of me to say?or does it sound plausible?

the story itself said they were unfixable.

Um..Bomb disposal? Yeah right.heretrix

But it does have lots of potential for application outside of gaming. It just has incredibly limited potential (at present at least) inside gaming.

I don't know why everyone is so impressed with it being utilised to scroll though. :?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Oh really can the Kinectimals understand what I say to them in natural language? Well that must be the most incredible breakthrough in science since Einstein's relativity theory or something since they just solved all the problematics of mechanizing sintax, semantics and pragmatics of the natural language in a kids game. Pretty impressive.ohthemanatee

actually yes, the kinectimals do understand basic words and commands act accordingly

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Oh really can the Kinectimals understand what I say to them in natural language? Well that must be the most incredible breakthrough in science since Einstein's relativity theory or something since they just solved all the problematics of mechanizing sintax, semantics and pragmatics of the natural language in a kids game. Pretty impressive.shinrabanshou

actually yes, the kinectimals do understand basic words and commands act accordingly

i'm just saying, that's where the milo tech went

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]lol, so i'm guessing those labs were shut down when sony removed other os which is what allowed ps3s to be networked that way?

Riverwolf007

"We will have to continue to use the systems we already have in hand," the lab said, before adding, "This will make it difficult to replace systems that break or fail. The refurbished PS3s also have the problem that when they come back from Sony, they have the firmware (gameOS) and it will not allow Other OS, which seems wrong. We are aware of class-action lawsuits against Sony for taking away this option on systems that use to have it.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="lhughey"]

You guys sure are short sighted and generally afraid of any piece of technology that pushes the boundaries and the status quo. I would think I was on an AARP sight if I didn't know better. The great thing about Kinect is that you are basically limited by your imagination. The second SDK was released about a week ago (or at least I downloaded it a week ago). You can code in C++ or C# and the SDK comes with a ton of examples. Early next year, M$ will be releasing a commercial SDK so that developers can sell games and applications using Kinect. I feel confident in saying that Kinect is going to a game changer when its all said and done.

Heck, I don't know why I'm wasting my time talking to you. Afterall, you're the guys who think the Kinect is the same as the eye toy :)

lhughey

That's where you're wrong. It CANT be done on many other cameras without a LOT of work. The power of Kinect is not just the camera, but its the other parts AND the software that access it. If you duplicate the Kinect's ability so easy, why don't you.

Why don't you create a simple application that only returns the distance you are standing from the camera. That should be pretty easy with they eye toy or any other camera, right? The fact is that you cant' even track depth with the eye toy. Its only a 2d device. And even if it could, you couldn't access it because its a closed device. Getting the depth of a person using Kinect is just a few lines of code.

So, there are a lot of differences in the power of the software of Kinect and other camera systems (eye toy, LOL). But there are also many hardware differences. Kinect has an IR sensor that is pretty good. It can also track depth of objects (including small objects, such as fingertips). It can recognize 28 body parts on a body.

Heres another task for you to duplicate on Eye toy or any other camera device. Have 4 people stand at the camera and walk 10 feet away from the camera. Person 1 should be at an angle of 60 degrees left of the camera's centerpoint. Person 2 should be 30 degrees left of the center. Person 3 should be 30 degrees right of the center and person 4 should be 60 degrees right of the center of the camera. Since the depth and angle should be measured by sound, each person should say the word "hello" at the same time. The program should return a true if you are all standing within 1 feet of the requested depth and within 10 degrees of the requested angle.

Can you accomplish this with the eye toy or any other camera that you know of? The answer is surely "no". I don't know of another cameras that 4 microphones. And even if I there was another one, you probably could not easily code against it.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No actually they just don't upgrade the firmware. Is that really so difficult to understand? :|kuraimen

"We will have to continue to use the systems we already have in hand," the lab said, before adding, "This will make it difficult to replace systems that break or fail. The refurbished PS3s also have the problem that when they come back from Sony, they have the firmware (gameOS) and it will not allow Other OS, which seems wrong. We are aware of class-action lawsuits against Sony for taking away this option on systems that use to have it.

there.... see how easy that is?

[QUOTE="lhughey"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Never did I say that Kinect is the same as the EyeToy. Only that the supposed revolutionary things shown here that were done with Kinect can basically be done with an EyeToy. kuraimen

That's where you're wrong. It CANT be done on many other cameras without a LOT of work. The power of Kinect is not just the camera, but its the other parts AND the software that access it. If you duplicate the Kinect's ability so easy, why don't you.

Why don't you create a simple application that only returns the distance you are standing from the camera. That should be pretty easy with they eye toy or any other camera, right? The fact is that you cant' even track depth with the eye toy. Its only a 2d device. And even if it could, you couldn't access it because its a closed device. Getting the depth of a person using Kinect is just a few lines of code.

So, there are a lot of differences in the power of the software of Kinect and other camera systems (eye toy, LOL). But there are also many hardware differences. Kinect has an IR sensor that is pretty good. It can also track depth of objects (including small objects, such as fingertips). It can recognize 28 body parts on a body.

Heres another task for you to duplicate on Eye toy or any other camera device. Have 4 people stand at the camera and walk 10 feet away from the camera. Person 1 should be at an angle of 60 degrees left of the camera's centerpoint. Person 2 should be 30 degrees left of the center. Person 3 should be 30 degrees right of the center and person 4 should be 60 degrees right of the center of the camera. Since the depth and angle should be measured by sound, each person should say the word "hello" at the same time. The program should return a true if you are all standing within 1 feet of the requested depth and within 10 degrees of the requested angle.

Can you accomplish this with the eye toy or any other camera that you know of? The answer is surely "no". I don't know of another cameras that 4 microphones. And even if I there was another one, you probably could not easily code against it.

I'm thinking it's just a matter of time before the ps eye does as the things kinect does but does it better than kinectForzaGearsFace

It can't pseye is just 60FPS camera with mic, kinect go also 3d sencing. With PSeye you can only do onscreen 2d motion detection, kinect sence room space 3d motion, but even so with few tricks PsEye can feel like it may feel like kinnect, which EyePet is example of, and Move makes it even better due fact tat Move can be detected in 3D space

[QUOTE="ForzaGearsFace"]I'm thinking it's just a matter of time before the ps eye does as the things kinect does but does it better than kinectShadowriverUB

It can't pseye is just 60FPS camera with mic, kinect go also 3d sencing. With PSeye you can only do onscreen 2d motion detection, kinect sence room space 3d motion, but even so with few tricks PsEye can feel like it may feel like kinnect, which EyePet is example of, and Move makes it even better due fact tat Move can be detected in 3D space

^ okay, I see, thanks. It's funny, but the Kinect may go on to become a major pillar of Microsoft's business, maybe even outside of gaming. Last year when everyone was predicting its immediate failure, who would've thought, huh?charizard1605

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="lhughey"]

That's where you're wrong. It CANT be done on many other cameras without a LOT of work. The power of Kinect is not just the camera, but its the other parts AND the software that access it. If you duplicate the Kinect's ability so easy, why don't you.

Why don't you create a simple application that only returns the distance you are standing from the camera. That should be pretty easy with they eye toy or any other camera, right? The fact is that you cant' even track depth with the eye toy. Its only a 2d device. And even if it could, you couldn't access it because its a closed device. Getting the depth of a person using Kinect is just a few lines of code.

So, there are a lot of differences in the power of the software of Kinect and other camera systems (eye toy, LOL). But there are also many hardware differences. Kinect has an IR sensor that is pretty good. It can also track depth of objects (including small objects, such as fingertips). It can recognize 28 body parts on a body.

Heres another task for you to duplicate on Eye toy or any other camera device. Have 4 people stand at the camera and walk 10 feet away from the camera. Person 1 should be at an angle of 60 degrees left of the camera's centerpoint. Person 2 should be 30 degrees left of the center. Person 3 should be 30 degrees right of the center and person 4 should be 60 degrees right of the center of the camera. Since the depth and angle should be measured by sound, each person should say the word "hello" at the same time. The program should return a true if you are all standing within 1 feet of the requested depth and within 10 degrees of the requested angle.

Can you accomplish this with the eye toy or any other camera that you know of? The answer is surely "no". I don't know of another cameras that 4 microphones. And even if I there was another one, you probably could not easily code against it.

lhughey

You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you said the PSEye is a closed system. The PSEye is basically a slightly better webcam. Do you think webcams are closed systems? what did you mean by the PS Eye being a closed system. Explain yourself. I never talked about depth perception, I said the PS Eye can be used to pass slides using hand gestures too like Kinect uses it during surgery. That has nothing to do with depth perception.

So MS got a better team of designers on their marketing front. Good for them.

I want someone to make Kinect work with Zbrush NAOW! It would suck for fine detailing, but I think it would be nice for roughing in the major forms. Then Zbrush would be one step closer to defining digital clay. MAKE IT HAPPEN!

So iit, Xbox 360 gamers are doctors and bomb defusers? :lol: Why defend this crap? Xbox fanboys really are getting desperate.

So iit, Xbox 360 gamers are doctors and bomb defusers? :lol: Why defend this crap? Xbox fanboys really are getting desperate.

Peredith

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="Peredith"]

Xbox 360 gamers are doctors now? :lol:

ConsoleCounsla_

It has some good games

Wow that was actually really cool.. Still wouldn't get one tho.. Yet.

What about this guys? it usues Kinect
http://www.kinecthacks.com/kinect-ultimate-battlefield-3-simulator/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eg8Bh5iI2WY

So iit, Xbox 360 gamers are doctors and bomb defusers? :lol: Why defend this crap? Xbox fanboys really are getting desperate.

Peredith

yes, how dares microsoft create a product that has uses outside of gaming!

Bottom line is cows would eat up the kinect and love it on the ps3! ForzaGearsFace

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

So iit, Xbox 360 gamers are doctors and bomb defusers? :lol: Why defend this crap? Xbox fanboys really are getting desperate.

kuraimen

Why cows are always butthurt about Kinect and I really don't know why? Shouldn't they be playing with the Sixasis or the Move. It seems like Kinect has gotton better use than either the Sixasis & Move combined that why cows are so desperate to trash talk it all the time :lol:

"HoloDesk - Direct 3D Interactions with a Situated See-Through Display"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JHL5tJ9ja_w

"Microsoft Turns Your Hand Into a Touchscreen"

http://nation.foxnews.com/microsoft/2011/10/20/microsoft-turns-your-hand-touchscreen

"Nokia Kinect concept offers unique flexible functionality"

http://www.product-reviews.net/2011/10/27/nokia-kinect-concept-offers-unique-flexible-functionality/

[QUOTE="ForzaGearsFace"]Bottom line is cows would eat up the kinect and love it on the ps3! campzor

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="ForzaGearsFace"]Bottom line is cows would eat up the kinect and love it on the ps3! LastRambo341

Kinect is pretty much the reason why M$ isn't investing in games, why only invest in a small portion of a market when they've created something that everyone is now interested in? And probably will be introdueced to gaming by kinect,

IMO Micosoft did good with kinect, to all the haters, kinect is integration with games (partial where they still allow a control), multimedia integaration, and integration every where else, Its the biggest thing thats happened in the gaming world because EVERYONE is finding a use for it.

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[QUOTE="Moriarity_"]I wouldn't trust kinect with any sort of precision work. Maybe once the technology advances and becomes more accurate I would be ok with it but as it is now I would sue if my doctor tried to perform surgery using that thing.AcidSoldner

OK, the surgery use looks good. But ... what about the air instruments? Can it even track fingers? And why would you want to play air instrument instead of the real thing where you have tactile feedback ...

KiZZo1

Sorry Microsoft, but the people playing invisible piano/cello to a masterful degree is just silly. There is no way you could wave your hands around in the air and play an invisible instrument with that level of precision. Dont be silly.Ninja-Hippo

Kinect can track each individual fingers as this videos prove it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yuqMQWYVnM&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-LONKeSeA&feature=related

ya the world will never be like that.
And how could they defile the pixies with a kinect commercial

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TheXFiles88

Lovin the BMW gif sig you have -- very sleek and sexy.

Anyways, commercial is definitely 'applish'; I don't understand why people diss it as much as they do if it can do all of that.