MS new "apple'esque" commercial

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

does anyone here actually believe that the kinect is going to catch on in the medical industry as a standard device, that it will revolutionize robotics, or that it will be a suitable replacement for actual musical instruments.

ohthemanatee

so your argument is: never try to improve something?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's what "using it to perform surgeries" suggest. And in the add they show a sequence using it to defuse bombs which could be equivalent precision-wise to performing a surgery. Don't blame me, it's in that add. But in reality it is actually good to pass some slides WHILE performing surgery or while eating cheetos I don't know.kuraimen

so in other words you're angry because you misinterpreted a post and you're angry because the kinect can be useful in difusing bombs?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

actually yes, the kinectimals do understand basic words and commands act accordingly

ohthemanatee

and playing videogames has been done by consoles since the 70's why do we need a PS3 again?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

does anyone here actually believe that the kinect is going to catch on in the medical industry as a standard device, that it will revolutionize robotics, or that it will be a suitable replacement for actual musical instruments.

Vaasman

so your argument is: never try to improve something?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

so in other words you're angry because you misinterpreted a post and you're angry because the kinect can be useful in difusing bombs?

ForzaGearsFace

You mean passing slides? lol that is probably a side effect of all the things that have been done with the PS Eye.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] That's what "using it to perform surgeries" suggest. And in the add they show a sequence using it to defuse bombs which could be equivalent precision-wise to performing a surgery. Don't blame me, it's in that add. But in reality it is actually good to pass some slides WHILE performing surgery or while eating cheetos I don't know.kuraimen

so in other words you're angry because you misinterpreted a post and you're angry because the kinect can be useful in difusing bombs?

if you can't quote it correctly i would suggest to not do it at all.

and once again i have to ask. does something require it to get blood on it to be considered used during a surgery?

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

so your argument is: never try to improve something?

ForzaGearsFace

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Understanding basic words has been done by software programs since like the 80s. Understanding natural language is a much different animal. And that's what MS' smoke and mirrors show promised.kuraimen

and playing videogames has been done by consoles since the 70's why do we need a PS3 again?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Understanding basic words has been done by software programs since like the 80s. Understanding natural language is a much different animal. And that's what MS' smoke and mirrors show promised.kuraimen

and playing videogames has been done by consoles since the 70's why do we need a PS3 again?

revolutionary? no

evolutionary? yes, ergo it's medical applications

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Understanding basic words has been done by software programs since like the 80s. Understanding natural language is a much different animal. And that's what MS' smoke and mirrors show promised.kuraimen

and playing videogames has been done by consoles since the 70's why do we need a PS3 again?

"Is a $100,000 system being outsmarted by a $150 toy?" he asked. "Indeed this is the case." He also referred to its usage as a "tremendous step forwards."

"Something we can do three years down the line, we can do it today because of technology that was destined for the gaming industry," he said. "I don't think Microsoft has realized that [Kinect] is something that could change medicine."

http://www.1up.com/news/kinect-medical-research

some people disagree with you.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

so in other words you're angry because you misinterpreted a post and you're angry because the kinect can be useful in difusing bombs?

Riverwolf007

if you can't quote it correctly i would suggest to not do it at all.

and once again i have to ask. does something require it to get blood on it to be considered used during a surgery?

[QUOTE="ForzaGearsFace"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] First of all I'm not angrey. And second why put the phrase "using it to perform surgeries" is used? because THAT would be impressive. But putting "Kinect is being used to pass some slides while doing a surgery" is not so impressive. Just setting things straight for people who easily fall for this kind of ridiculous exaggerations.kuraimen

You mean passing slides? lol that is probably a side effect of all the things that have been done with the PS Eye.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] First of all I'm not angrey. And second why put the phrase "using it to perform surgeries" is used? because THAT would be impressive. But putting "Kinect is being used to pass some slides while doing a surgery" is not so impressive. Just setting things straight for people who easily fall for this kind of ridiculous exaggerations.kuraimen

if you can't quote it correctly i would suggest to not do it at all.

and once again i have to ask. does something require it to get blood on it to be considered used during a surgery?

so again, you're angry because you misinterpreted a post?

I don't understand, if Kinect is being used to help people and (possibly) saving people's lives... why are you so angry?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

and playing videogames has been done by consoles since the 70's why do we need a PS3 again?

ohthemanatee

revolutionary? no

evolutionary? yes

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]actually what i said was, "live (xbl? lol) surgeries are already being performed with kinect."

if you can't quote it correctly i would suggest to not do it at all.

and once again i have to ask. does something require it to get blood on it to be considered used during a surgery?

ohthemanatee

so again, you're angry because you misinterpreted a post?

I don't understand, if Kinect is being used to help people and (possibly) saving people's lives... why are you so angry?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The point is that Kinect is not doing anything revolutionary like people claim, it is doing what old tech did way before it. We've been hearing about how revolutionary this is from lems since Natal's E3. And we haven't seen anything close to what they promised.kuraimen

revolutionary? no

evolutionary? yes

"Is a $100,000 system being outsmarted by a $150 toy?" he asked. "Indeed this is the case." He also referred to its usage as a "tremendous step forwards."

you were saying?

Again, I'm not angry. Are you getting angry that I'm not angry or something?kuraimen

these sound pretty angry to me

Oh really can the Kinectimals understand what I say to them in natural language? Well that must be the most incredible breakthrough in science since Einstein's relativity theory or something since they just solved all the problematics of mechanizing sintax, semantics and pragmatics of the natural language in a kids game. Pretty impressive.kuraimen

That's what "using it to perform surgeries" suggest. And in the add they show a sequence using it to defuse bombs which could be equivalent precision-wise to performing a surgery. Don't blame me, it's in that add. But in reality it is actually good to pass some slides WHILE performing surgery or while eating cheetos I don't know.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]actually what i said was, "live (xbl? lol) surgeries are already being performed with kinect."

if you can't quote it correctly i would suggest to not do it at all.

and once again i have to ask. does something require it to get blood on it to be considered used during a surgery?

ohthemanatee

so again, you're angry because you misinterpreted a post?

I don't understand, if Kinect is being used to help people and (possibly) saving people's lives... why are you so angry?

all people see is kinect and it's all blarglhrgalhargalharg! everything that has to do with kinect is stupid!!!! blargralharg!

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="ForzaGearsFace"] Yet no one will do these type of things with the move or with the impressive pseyeForzaGearsFace

You mean passing slides? lol that is probably a side effect of all the things that have been done with the PS Eye.

The first 2 seconds of this vid shows the PS Eye being used to track hand movement. From there to passing slides using hand movements is basically to write a small program...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-yR5ozxw4E

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

these sound pretty angry to me

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Oh really can the Kinectimals understand what I say to them in natural language? Well that must be the most incredible breakthrough in science since Einstein's relativity theory or something since they just solved all the problematics of mechanizing sintax, semantics and pragmatics of the natural language in a kids game. Pretty impressive.ohthemanatee

That's what "using it to perform surgeries" suggest. And in the add they show a sequence using it to defuse bombs which could be equivalent precision-wise to performing a surgery. Don't blame me, it's in that add. But in reality it is actually good to pass some slides WHILE performing surgery or while eating cheetos I don't know.kuraimen

[QUOTE="ForzaGearsFace"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]

You mean passing slides? lol that is probably a side effect of all the things that have been done with the PS Eye.

kuraimen

so you claim Kinect isn't impressive.... but that video is supposed to impress us? :|

You guys sure are short sighted and generally afraid of any piece of technology that pushes the boundaries and the status quo. I would think I was on an AARP sight if I didn't know better. The great thing about Kinect is that you are basically limited by your imagination. The second SDK was released about a week ago (or at least I downloaded it a week ago). You can code in C++ or C# and the SDK comes with a ton of examples. Early next year, M$ will be releasing a commercial SDK so that developers can sell games and applications using Kinect. I feel confident in saying that Kinect is going to a game changer when its all said and done.

Heck, I don't know why I'm wasting my time talking to you. Afterall, you're the guys who think the Kinect is the same as the eye toy :)

Well then you have a problem differentiating from anger and sarcasm in written text then.kuraimen

at least I don't start major fusses when for misinterpreting posts :|

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ForzaGearsFace"] Link to your claimsohthemanatee

so you claim Kinect isn't impressive.... but that video is supposed to impress us? :|

It would be nice if kinect was focused more on other uses, instead of gaming....

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Well then you have a problem differentiating from anger and sarcasm in written text then.ohthemanatee

at least I don't get angry when I misinterpret someone's posts :)

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The first 2 seconds of this vid shoes the PS Eye being used to track hand movement. From there to passing slides using hand movements is basically to write a small program... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-yR5ozxw4Ekuraimen

so you claim Kinect isn't impressive.... but that video is supposed to impress us? :|

good thing it does more then that then

good thing it's ahead of motion cameras that cost 10 times as much according to a chief of medicine

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Well then you have a problem differentiating from anger and sarcasm in written text then.kuraimen

at least I don't get angry when I misinterpret someone's posts :)

yay that makes two of us

seriously though, try to calm down the next time, posting angrilly never helps your case

You guys sure are short sighted and generally afraid of any piece of technology that pushes the boundaries and the status quo. I would think I was on an AARP sight if I didn't know better. The great thing about Kinect is that you are basically limited by your imagination. The second SDK was released about a week ago (or at least I downloaded it a week ago). You can code in C++ or C# and the SDK comes with a ton of examples. Early next year, M$ will be releasing a commercial SDK so that developers can sell games and applications using Kinect. I feel confident in saying that Kinect is going to a game changer when its all said and done.

Heck, I don't know why I'm wasting my time talking to you. Afterall, you're the guys who think the Kinect is the same as the eye toy :)

lhughey

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

revolutionary? no

evolutionary? yes

ohthemanatee

"Is a $100,000 system being outsmarted by a $150 toy?" he asked. "Indeed this is the case." He also referred to its usage as a "tremendous step forwards."

you were saying?

Oh man the future is now! :roll:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

at least I don't get angry when I misinterpret someone's posts :)

ohthemanatee

yay that makes two of us

seriously though, try to calm down the next time, posting angrilly never helps your case

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] A very modest evolution is my guess. Most of what I've seen done with Kinect I had seen it before. The advantage of Kinect is that it became a commecial, highly available product but the tech is nothing new or revolutionary.Vaasman

"Is a $100,000 system being outsmarted by a $150 toy?" he asked. "Indeed this is the case." He also referred to its usage as a "tremendous step forwards."

you were saying?

Oh man the future is now! :roll:

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] A very modest evolution is my guess. Most of what I've seen done with Kinect I had seen it before. The advantage of Kinect is that it became a commecial, highly available product but the tech is nothing new or revolutionary.Vaasman

"Is a $100,000 system being outsmarted by a $150 toy?" he asked. "Indeed this is the case." He also referred to its usage as a "tremendous step forwards."

you were saying?

Oh man the future is now! :roll:

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

after looking up some more on this i found live (xbl? lol) surgeries are already being performed with kinect.

"Surgeons at Sunnybrook hospital are employing video-game technology to scroll through medical images during operations, using nothing more than hand gestures resembling tai chi.

An engineering team used a Microsoft Xbox Kinect, a hands-free gaming console, to allow doctors to quickly access MRIs and CT scans without leaving the sterile field around the patient.

"What this was able to do is take away that last barrier and remove the mouse, remove the interface . . . and now I just give it hand signs," said Dr. Calvin Law, a surgical oncologist. "We're able to control the computer without actually touching anything."

http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/960393--video-game-technology-tried-in-operating-room?bn=1

Riverwolf007

The surgery isn't performed using kinect. Scrolling through the MRIs and CT scans is though.

in sw tools you use to complete a surgery do not count?

kinda like games we don't like?

Man this is reaching so far. Hey the vehicle that brought the patient there helped with the surgery to, infact the patient did as well because without him there wouldn't be one.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

"Is a $100,000 system being outsmarted by a $150 toy?" he asked. "Indeed this is the case." He also referred to its usage as a "tremendous step forwards."

you were saying?

ohthemanatee

Oh man the future is now! :roll:

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]"After laughing at the prospect of purchasing a Kinect for research, in so doing, Professor Nikolaos Papanikolopoulos has saved researchers more than $100,000,The Minnesota Dailyreports. Several Kinect devices are being used as a video monitoring system to keep an eye on children playing with toys as part of a collaboration to diagnose mental disorders such as OCD and ADD. Data from the cameras is tweaked and then given to doctors."

Oh man the future is now! :roll:

kuraimen

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

if you can find a post of my saying this, feel free to quote me

[QUOTE="lhughey"]

You guys sure are short sighted and generally afraid of any piece of technology that pushes the boundaries and the status quo. I would think I was on an AARP sight if I didn't know better. The great thing about Kinect is that you are basically limited by your imagination. The second SDK was released about a week ago (or at least I downloaded it a week ago). You can code in C++ or C# and the SDK comes with a ton of examples. Early next year, M$ will be releasing a commercial SDK so that developers can sell games and applications using Kinect. I feel confident in saying that Kinect is going to a game changer when its all said and done.

Heck, I don't know why I'm wasting my time talking to you. Afterall, you're the guys who think the Kinect is the same as the eye toy :)

kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

ohthemanatee

if you can find a post of my saying this, feel free to quote me

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="lhughey"]

You guys sure are short sighted and generally afraid of any piece of technology that pushes the boundaries and the status quo. I would think I was on an AARP sight if I didn't know better. The great thing about Kinect is that you are basically limited by your imagination. The second SDK was released about a week ago (or at least I downloaded it a week ago). You can code in C++ or C# and the SDK comes with a ton of examples. Early next year, M$ will be releasing a commercial SDK so that developers can sell games and applications using Kinect. I feel confident in saying that Kinect is going to a game changer when its all said and done.

Heck, I don't know why I'm wasting my time talking to you. Afterall, you're the guys who think the Kinect is the same as the eye toy :)

lhughey

gotta love the Derpy Butthurt Cows on here trying to disregard these facts and information by saying "huuur duuur its not a doctor forum deeerrrrp!!!" seriously guys grow the **** up, where were you guys when doctors started using the wii fit board for patients because it was more accurate and cheaper, nowhere because it was Nintendo and you have no vendetta against them. But if its 360 you go all " BURN THEMMMMM!!!" mode. effing nerds.

AlphaJC

Bottom line is cows would eat up the kinect and love it on the ps3! ForzaGearsFace

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

"Is a $100,000 system being outsmarted by a $150 toy?" he asked. "Indeed this is the case." He also referred to its usage as a "tremendous step forwards."

you were saying?

ohthemanatee

Oh man the future is now! :roll:

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

Teh future!

If kinect were actually being used in advanced medical procedures or to do something that wasn't possible in medicine with a plain old mouse and keyboard, I might be more excited and impressed.

[QUOTE="ForzaGearsFace"]Bottom line is cows would eat up the kinect and love it on the ps3! kuraimen

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]"After laughing at the prospect of purchasing a Kinect for research, in so doing, Professor Nikolaos Papanikolopoulos has saved researchers more than $100,000,The Minnesota Dailyreports. Several Kinect devices are being used as a video monitoring system to keep an eye on children playing with toys as part of a collaboration to diagnose mental disorders such as OCD and ADD. Data from the cameras is tweaked and then given to doctors."

Oh man the future is now! :roll:

kuraimen

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]"After laughing at the prospect of purchasing a Kinect for research, in so doing, Professor Nikolaos Papanikolopoulos has saved researchers more than $100,000,The Minnesota Dailyreports. Several Kinect devices are being used as a video monitoring system to keep an eye on children playing with toys as part of a collaboration to diagnose mental disorders such as OCD and ADD. Data from the cameras is tweaked and then given to doctors."

Oh man the future is now! :roll:

Vaasman

oh noes a hundred thousand dollars has been saved D:

quick, we can't have that

Teh future!

If kinect were actually being used in advanced medical procedures or to do something that wasn't possible in medicine with a plain old mouse and keyboard, I might be more excited and impressed.