As far as characters go, both Sbnake and Kratos beat Mc and Mario.....
Quality of the franchises are up for discussion but MC is just superman in a tin can and Mario...... Well..... He does'nt really need an explanation.
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As far as characters go, both Sbnake and Kratos beat Mc and Mario.....
Quality of the franchises are up for discussion but MC is just superman in a tin can and Mario...... Well..... He does'nt really need an explanation.
There mascot seems to change every gen, and its always unofficial, the unofficial PS1 one was the ape escape monkies, PS2 Jak and Daxter, and at least to me this gen' are Sackboy and Nathan Drake.
You are comparing the japan to the pal. North america 12 months after, and 16 months after in european. Not 23 months. And the reason why it outsold the console 5:1 wasn't because it was a dvd player. They were both dvd players, and the lead by then was about 20 million difference. 20 MILLION. The reason why is because gran turismo 3, Grand theft auto series, MGS2, and Kingdom hearts. All these games sold 8 million + which are similar to halo numbers. The games on ps2 console didn't have lead characters except sold snake except their name. Grand theft auto is a bigger franchise than halo. Gran turismo is a bigger franchise than halo and kingdom heatrs sold a little less than halo. But then there is guitar hero, and other games which also had their own games which sold well too. God of war, Ratchet and clank, jak series all sold well.[QUOTE="nhh18"]
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]
23 months but who's counting?
Also the XBOX needed the add ons to make the DVD drive work for playback while the PS2 did it out of the box.
2 years of being the cheapest DVD player on the market made the first 2 years so inflated. Sony was lucky enough to launch the PS2 just when DVD's became the mainstream.
That was their mascot, not the bunch of unknowns they have now
Sony tried to make the BluRay it's mascot for this gen but it didn't work out
Jaysonguy
No, that's not the history at all
The two things Sony had going for it was full support for the PS1 and DVD player that they touted as free
XBOX had neither of those.
I'm talking in Japan for the console launch because that's the widest margin for DVD players. In order to get a quality DVD player in Japan during the time between the PS2 and XBOX launch you'd have to pay almost twice the price of the PS2. Even bottom barrel players were more expensive then the PS2.
It's interesting how you keep on bringing up games when they had nothing to do with the PS2 sales, it was the other way around.
Companies saw the spike that happened with the PS2 and wanted their games on it, not the other way around.
Sony thought this gen everyone would run out and support it's mascot BluRay and then companies would be knocking down their doors wanting to make games for Sony's BluRay player. Sony misjudged the want and need for BluRay and devs decided to go elsewhere for their games.
Now Sony has had to ditch their mascot BluRay and their pickings for a new one is pretty scarce with the titles they now have.
No. It had most of the main franchises and now the wii, xbox 360, and ps3 has these 3rd party games. I mean dragon quest expands a different market than grand theft auto. And grand turismo expands a different market than both of those games. You saying that the main reason why it sold better was because of a dvd. Then why did 80% of software sales come from ps2. Why was the software sales per console sold the same as xbox and gamecube. The main reason why ps3 hasn't obtained the same success is because the 3rd party exclusives that they once had (guitar hero, grand theft auto, final fantasy, tekken, etc) are now on xbox 360 and wii. And the casual market which bought the movie tie-ins, guitar hero, etc are now at the wii. So yes ps3 did poorly not because the blu-ray hasn't taken off (which doesn't matter much) but mostly because the price tag and low console sales at the beginning caused 3rd party to ditch the ps3.Id have to go with Kratos.
EVERYBODY knows Mario. Period
As for Kratos vs MC, that really depends on which country/region you live in.
MC is obviously much more popular in the US for example.
But here in Brazil, Im pretty sure many more people know Kratos and never even heard of MC. Action Adventure games are more popular then FPSs here.
[QUOTE="MrHenadonia"]
I'll go with Kratos. Snake has never been a exclusive character.
Haseokicksass
Actually, he has. Only games with Raiden as the main character have gone on the Xbox.
reserch is needed if you dont know about its games.
metal gear was on MANY consoles
even with snake as a main character.
GCN,PS2,Xbox,GameBoy ect
[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]
the unofficial PS1 one was the ape escape monkies
Fraquelli
Im pretty sure it was Crash Bandicoot, actually
Crash? I wouldnt say so, I always considered the Ape escape monkies more iconic to the PS1 then Crash was.
[QUOTE="RideUrLightning"]*facepalm*Darkmoone1
And...that's for?
For the TC being a fanboy lol how could you say that Sony has no mascot? If he means exclusively this gen, I guess I understand, but Snake could easily be considered the mascot this gen, or the sackboy.[QUOTE="Darkmoone1"][QUOTE="RideUrLightning"]*facepalm*RideUrLightning
And...that's for?
For the TC being a fanboy lol how could you say that Sony has no mascot? If he means exclusively this gen, I guess I understand, but Snake could easily be considered the mascot this gen, or the sackboy.oh I see. :lol: Yeah it's impossible to say Sony has no Mascot, but it is true that they like to switch mascots everytime they realease a new console.
[QUOTE="Darkmoone1"][QUOTE="RideUrLightning"]*facepalm*RideUrLightning
And...that's for?
For the TC being a fanboy lol how could you say that Sony has no mascot? If he means exclusively this gen, I guess I understand, but Snake could easily be considered the mascot this gen, or the sackboy.Ah... nope.
This gen Snake made an appearance in Brawl, and he is going to be on he 360 so therefore he wouldnt be consdered as a "mascot"
Yes, the PS3 is in lasnt place because it doesn't have a mascot:roll:...does the PS2 have a mascot? i dont think so, but look at that its the most sold console ever.
For the TC being a fanboy lol how could you say that Sony has no mascot? If he means exclusively this gen, I guess I understand, but Snake could easily be considered the mascot this gen, or the sackboy.[QUOTE="RideUrLightning"][QUOTE="Darkmoone1"]
And...that's for?
bobcheeseball
Ah... nope.
This gen Snake made an appearance in Brawl, and he is going to be on he 360 so therefore he wouldnt be consdered as a "mascot"
snake will never be on the 360 buddy. only raiden.id have to go with kratos for sony. snake isnt exclusive, and drake is just wayyyyyyy to generic. he's just an average guy. which i think fits the games well, but he doesnt stick out well enough to be a mascot for a console.
[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]
[QUOTE="RideUrLightning"] For the TC being a fanboy lol how could you say that Sony has no mascot? If he means exclusively this gen, I guess I understand, but Snake could easily be considered the mascot this gen, or the sackboy.Revolution316
Ah... nope.
This gen Snake made an appearance in Brawl, and he is going to be on he 360 so therefore he wouldnt be consdered as a "mascot"
snake will never be on the 360 buddy. only raiden.never say never.
he was on the xbox so...:roll:
[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]
[QUOTE="RideUrLightning"] For the TC being a fanboy lol how could you say that Sony has no mascot? If he means exclusively this gen, I guess I understand, but Snake could easily be considered the mascot this gen, or the sackboy.Revolution316
Ah... nope.
This gen Snake made an appearance in Brawl, and he is going to be on he 360 so therefore he wouldnt be consdered as a "mascot"
snake will never be on the 360 buddy. only raiden. Good point.lbp sackboy..... duh (lol)GOD OF WAR guy? Snake? I mean these guys have nothing on Master Chief, or Mario, and the proof is in the pudding. Just look at sales and hype, nothing comes even close to Mario, or Master Chief on the PS3. Maybe thats why its in last place....
PrimusGears
Well they don't have one anymore it seems, but it used to be Crash Bandicoot. Maybeit will be Drake, or a whole new character.
If he isn't he should be.Nate only problem is he's too ordinary designwise. He needs spikey hair and a oversized sword to be recognizable. He's just some (awesome) dude. I think his charecter design is perfect, no armored covered body or magical staff (:P), just an average dude saving the world. He is def. my favorite new charecter this gen.[QUOTE="navyguy21"]I think Drake is the new face of the PS3, and Naughty Dog deserves itheretrix
LMAO. You're a funny one.GOD OF WAR guy? Snake? I mean these guys have nothing on Master Chief, or Mario, and the proof is in the pudding. Just look at sales and hype, nothing comes even close to Mario, or Master Chief on the PS3. Maybe thats why its in last place....
PrimusGears
[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]
Kratos. Followed by Drake.
Drake maybe could be, ill give you that, but still nothing compared to the big boys!!!! KRATOS? lol nah, he is done...
Just because Sony doesn't spam 1 or 2 games of the same series every year doesn't mean that they don't have recognized characters.I have to say, I was asking myself that question. Xbox and Nintendo have an edge because they have been able to maintain their mascots since their first consoles, with Sony it could have been Crash Bandicoot, but then the game became multiplat and crappy, then Jak and Daxter went MIA. Solid Snake would be one if the series really was 100% exclusive, but I think Kratos really is the top mascot. Why wouldn't he be? He's pretty awesome and a far cry from many game heroes, Nathan Drake is also pretty awesome but he's much newer.
So yeah, Kratos. You have to admit, he is probably the coolest Anti-Hero character in a game, I love Master Chief and Mario, but morally ambiguous Kratos can't be beat in coolness. Sackboy also manages to cover the kid mascot front, he is pretty memorable.
If he isn't he should be.Nate only problem is he's too ordinary designwise. He needs spikey hair and a oversized sword to be recognizable. He's just some (awesome) dude. I think his charecter design is perfect, no armored covered body or magical staff (:P), just an average dude saving the world. He is def. my favorite new charecter this gen.He's way up there for me also along withg Cmdr Shepard and Wrex from Mass Effect..[QUOTE="heretrix"]
[QUOTE="navyguy21"]I think Drake is the new face of the PS3, and Naughty Dog deserves itCicatraz_ESP
Ps3 have more variety than just one game/hero...
Only hype 360 got is for halo games, kinda sad :lol:
aroxx_ab
um lol ok....Marcus fenix is more variety for ya there buddy....
[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]I wouldn't really see them as mascots. Yeah, that's the problem in this thread. People are confusing popular characters with Mascots. I don't even think of Master Chief as a mascot. Halo is popular as a game first and as a vehicle for the Master Chief second. There aren't too many characters these days that are the face of a particular platform like Mario or Sonic were to their respective consoles.Kratos. Followed by Drake.
Next-Gen-Tec
The industry is a lot more sophisticated than that now, especially with them trying to be more like the movie industry rather than the toy industry. It's kind of why efforts to create a mascot -Sony tried with sackboy, but that wasn't as successful (time will tell) as they had hoped.
Mascots are unneccessary if you are selling your games like movies. You can't sell your system to everyone if you are identifing your product to a specific demographic, which is what mascots are for.
GOD OF WAR guy? Snake? I mean these guys have nothing on Master Chief, or Mario, and the proof is in the pudding. Just look at sales and hype, nothing comes even close to Mario, or Master Chief on the PS3. Maybe thats why its in last place....
PrimusGears
They did fine without a 'mascot' last gen and the gen before..... >_>
Why do people forgot about R&C? Out of all of Sony's current characters, I'd think they're easily the most recognizable (not that its saying much)
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