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#101 Seabas989
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[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

[QUOTE="Mark36111"]

Preferring games with more elaborate themes and technically impressive graphics is not fanboyism just because a particular console lacks games that suit these preferences. One can disagree with her opinion and hold different preferences, but nothing she said is unreasonable. Webb went as far as to say that she comprehends why certain people will like the game, just that she is not one of them. Complaining about her stance betrays someone who is insufficiently mature to deal with the fact that their likes and dislikes are not universally held.

Mark36111

I can deal with it if she used better reasoning but she didn't. I have seen people on System Wars not like the game and I can respect that because they offer great insight and reasoning to explain. However, Morgan Webb's reasons of being too cartoony, not mature, not HD, sounds like something a fanboy would say. In other words the "kiddy" argument.

Again, there's nothing unreasonable about preferring non-cartoony, "mature," HD games to cartoony, "immature," SD games. No, there isn't any insight or logic as to why one might hold these preferences, nor is there any to justify those to the contrary. There doesn't need to be. I like the color blue better than the color red. Am I supposed to be able to produce logical support whenever circumstances arise to express this opinion?

In some situations yes. I can easily express my opinion on games but if they lack any reasoning then people will call me out and furthermore, it would just be an opinion. Morgan Webb is part of a show that reviews games and should provide better reasoning as to why she does not like SMG2. Can I not call her out on it? This is afterall a gaming forum.

Furthermore comparing colors is too broad. Comparing games is sometimes not as broad.

In addition, I can say Ocarina of Time is overrated but if I just said that without giving an explanation that is reasonable, then my opinion is weak and people will not take it seriously.

Lastly, everyone has opinions but stating that "it's my opinion" is sort of a cop out, the easy way out and obvious.

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#102 fueled-system
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Wait so G4 is still relevant now? I thought we stopped caring about them after their new owner changed everything o..why do you care about her opinion?

Its her opinion and her opinion is different so what?

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#103 Nike_Air
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The real story here is that Skip said he pretty much hated Killzone 2 in this episode. My thoughts -

  1. Skip isn't attractive
  2. All the people at G4 who agree with him stink.

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[QUOTE="Randoggy"][QUOTE="JonSnow777"]

Your girlfriend is obviously Olivia Munn then.

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Oh man, the THINGS I WOULD DO to stick a finger down the crack of that ass.

Like........ sticking a finger down the crack of an ass? EWWWWW

What? Are you twelve or something? Girls scare you? Ain't nothing wrong with a booty.

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#106 chrion133
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[QUOTE="painguy1"]

....lol at their technological iliteracy. Graphics not good enough? Pop out the SDTV? Jesus crysis man SMG is one of the most shader intensive games on the wii. There is EMBM's all over the place, and practically everything, EVERYTHING!!! has a falloffshader. its not even funny. and why is everyone always giving reerence to 1080i like.....they dont even know what that means. all they associote 1080 with is "nice and clear". 1080i isnt even the highest level for standard HD resolutions. They dont even know what the "i" stands for.

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Wii doesn't have shaders first off. It uses texture combiners on fixed functions supped up gamecube hardware to simulate some pixel shader effects. The xbox 1 had pixel shaders the gamecube and the wii don't. Fixed function hardware == geforce 2 level gfx.

That and what she said about her Hdtv making the jaggies pop out like a sore thumb made absolute perfect sense and showed that she knew exactly what she was talking about. How can you say "lol at their technological iliteracy" when it makes perfect sense and is technically and factually correct?

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#107 nhh18
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I don't respect her opinion because her opinion isn't backed up by anything but prejudices. Like I said her whole complaint about the game is that it is a mario game. Probably one of the most fanboyish opinions around,

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#108 HAZE-Unit
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[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"] It's INTENDED for everyone. The game is just about having fun. It's also too difficult for most children to get all the stars, I would imagine. Perhaps not. kansasdude2009

So you are going to argue with me with a losing argument? first and foremost it is intended for kids, everyone else comes secondary.

It's not a losing argument as the intended audience is, first and foremost, in the rating on the box -- E for everyone. Second, there are several quotes of Miyamoto stating that this is his making of a core game for core gamers. I can procure those interviews if you really need them. In your case, you have nothing but your opinion.

ofcourse everyone "can" play Mario that's the message of ESRB, it tells adults if games are suitable for kids or not, if they can or can not play specific games :?

Forms of entertainment like Mario, Zelda, UP, WALL-E, Alice in Wonderland....etc are intended for the kids to enjoy and then everyone else, if you really think what drives the sales of such products are the adults who are in their 20s and above then you are mistaken.

And what does Mario being a core game has anything to do with what Im saying?

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#109 nhh18
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[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

So you are going to argue with me with a losing argument? first and foremost it is intended for kids, everyone else comes secondary.

HAZE-Unit

It's not a losing argument as the intended audience is, first and foremost, in the rating on the box -- E for everyone. Second, there are several quotes of Miyamoto stating that this is his making of a core game for core gamers. I can procure those interviews if you really need them. In your case, you have nothing but your opinion.

ofcourse everyone "can" play Mario that's the message of ESRB, it tells adults if games are suitable for kids or not, if they can or can not play specific games :?

Forms of entertainment like Mario, Zelda, UP, WALL-E, Alice in Wonderland....etc are intended for the kids to enjoy and then everyone else, if you really think what drives the sales of such products are the adults who are in their 20s and above then you are mistaken.

And what does Mario being a core game has anything to do with what Im saying?

charlie and chocolate factory is the greatest movie ever.

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#110 lawlessx
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i can't believe how people are reacting to this. It's her own opinion about the game
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#111 p3anut
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Goes to show you how stupid she really his. "I want it to be more 3d" WTF?

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#112 Captain_Lorelli
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Goes to show you how stupid she really his. "I want it to be more 3d" WTF?

p3anut

She wants Ratchet and Clank 3D on PS3 3D. Isn't it obvious....In her opinion Crack in time > SMG.........

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#113 LegatoSkyheart
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I sense a Sessler Soap Box is coming.

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#114 Mark36111
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[QUOTE="Mark36111"]

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

I can deal with it if she used better reasoning but she didn't. I have seen people on System Wars not like the game and I can respect that because they offer great insight and reasoning to explain. However, Morgan Webb's reasons of being too cartoony, not mature, not HD, sounds like something a fanboy would say. In other words the "kiddy" argument.

Seabas989

Again, there's nothing unreasonable about preferring non-cartoony, "mature," HD games to cartoony, "immature," SD games. No, there isn't any insight or logic as to why one might hold these preferences, nor is there any to justify those to the contrary. There doesn't need to be. I like the color blue better than the color red. Am I supposed to be able to produce logical support whenever circumstances arise to express this opinion?

In some situations yes. I can easily express my opinion on games but if they lack any reasoning then people will call me out and furthermore, it would just be an opinion. Morgan Webb is part of a show that reviews games and should provide better reasoning as to why she does not like SMG2. Can I not call her out on it? This is afterall a gaming forum.

Furthermore comparing colors is too broad. Comparing games is sometimes not as broad.

In addition, I can say Ocarina of Time is overrated but if I just said that without giving an explanation that is reasonable, then my opinion is weak and people will not take it seriously.

Lastly, everyone has opinions but stating that "it's my opinion" is sort of a cop out, the easy way out and obvious.

She did provide reasoning and explanation as to why she doesn't like the game. You just don't approve of it.


Her preferences are such that she likes non-cartoony, "mature," HD games. These preferences are no less legitimate than any others, so I fail to see what everyone's complaint is.

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#115 Espada12
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It's G4........ look at their crysis review if you want to know why people ignore them.

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#116 Captain_Lorelli
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[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

[QUOTE="Mark36111"]

Again, there's nothing unreasonable about preferring non-cartoony, "mature," HD games to cartoony, "immature," SD games. No, there isn't any insight or logic as to why one might hold these preferences, nor is there any to justify those to the contrary. There doesn't need to be. I like the color blue better than the color red. Am I supposed to be able to produce logical support whenever circumstances arise to express this opinion?

Mark36111

In some situations yes. I can easily express my opinion on games but if they lack any reasoning then people will call me out and furthermore, it would just be an opinion. Morgan Webb is part of a show that reviews games and should provide better reasoning as to why she does not like SMG2. Can I not call her out on it? This is afterall a gaming forum.

Furthermore comparing colors is too broad. Comparing games is sometimes not as broad.

In addition, I can say Ocarina of Time is overrated but if I just said that without giving an explanation that is reasonable, then my opinion is weak and people will not take it seriously.

Lastly, everyone has opinions but stating that "it's my opinion" is sort of a cop out, the easy way out and obvious.

She did provide reasoning and explanation as to why she doesn't like the game. You just don't approve of it.


Her preferences are such that she likes non-cartoony, "mature," HD games. These preferences are no less legitimate than any others, so I fail to see what everyone's complaint is.

You're right. " It its justt to.too. cart cartonny.. I..I.. it is just not adult enough it is insipid" Basically it doesn't have guns and isn't a PS3 exclusive.

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#117 HAZE-Unit
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[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"] It's not a losing argument as the intended audience is, first and foremost, in the rating on the box -- E for everyone. Second, there are several quotes of Miyamoto stating that this is his making of a core game for core gamers. I can procure those interviews if you really need them. In your case, you have nothing but your opinion. nhh18

ofcourse everyone "can" play Mario that's the message of ESRB, it tells adults if games are suitable for kids or not, if they can or can not play specific games :?

Forms of entertainment like Mario, Zelda, UP, WALL-E, Alice in Wonderland....etc are intended for the kids to enjoy and then everyone else, if you really think what drives the sales of such products are the adults who are in their 20s and above then you are mistaken.

And what does Mario being a core game has anything to do with what Im saying?

charlie and chocolate factory is the greatest movie ever.

okeey so what's your point exactly?

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#118 LegatoSkyheart
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I love how she wants it to be more realistic. Although she Catches herself because she knows it's a Mario game. I also love how she and that other chick said that the game was DS Graphics.

L.O.L.

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#119 Seabas989
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[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

[QUOTE="Mark36111"]

Again, there's nothing unreasonable about preferring non-cartoony, "mature," HD games to cartoony, "immature," SD games. No, there isn't any insight or logic as to why one might hold these preferences, nor is there any to justify those to the contrary. There doesn't need to be. I like the color blue better than the color red. Am I supposed to be able to produce logical support whenever circumstances arise to express this opinion?

Mark36111

In some situations yes. I can easily express my opinion on games but if they lack any reasoning then people will call me out and furthermore, it would just be an opinion. Morgan Webb is part of a show that reviews games and should provide better reasoning as to why she does not like SMG2. Can I not call her out on it? This is afterall a gaming forum.

Furthermore comparing colors is too broad. Comparing games is sometimes not as broad.

In addition, I can say Ocarina of Time is overrated but if I just said that without giving an explanation that is reasonable, then my opinion is weak and people will not take it seriously.

Lastly, everyone has opinions but stating that "it's my opinion" is sort of a cop out, the easy way out and obvious.

She did provide reasoning and explanation as to why she doesn't like the game. You just don't approve of it.


Her preferences are such that she likes non-cartoony, "mature," HD games. These preferences are no less legitimate than any others, so I fail to see what everyone's complaint is.

Not really. She likes Ratchet and Clank and likes the Mario RPGs, like the ones on the handhelds. These games have cartoony graphics.

However, using the "kiddy" argument is not reasoning at all. That is like me saying I hate the movie Up! because it's too cartoony and not mature and kiddy. I enjoyed the movie just like I enjoyed SMG 2. Besides she should know by now that the Wii is not an HD so was she expecting it?

But hey like I said her opinion is not a respectable one and I have seen some users on this site that give better reasoning to not like the game but I can respect there opinions because they have better reasons, such as how it is not as good as the first, or ow the game's soundtrack could have been better, or how it was too linear.

EDIT: SMG 2 is not an HD but having component cables help if you only have an HD tv.

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#120 Captain_Lorelli
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I love how she wants it to be more realistic. Although she Catches herself because she knows it's a Mario game. I also love how she and that other chick said that the game was DS Graphics.

L.O.L.

LegatoSkyheart

^ The DS comment makes me wonder how some of you agree with her. This is not an opinion, it is completely random and 100% wrong.

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#121 BodyElite
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When I saw the commercial I thought the game was a joke. I'm 23 so games that target kids clearly won't interest me, but the graphics and gsmeplay simply looked horrid! Then I come on here and see that it scored a 10, I couldn't believe it. It's funny how grown men (I'm guessing most of you are above 16 years old) defend this game which is meant mainly for kids with endless emotion. I just don't get it... I'm a grown man. Leave the super colorful, smiling platformers for the kids and girls. It probably deserves a 10, but it still is a kids game
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#122 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

The very first words out of her mouth are she sees why people like the game but it isn't for her. I hardly consider this some kind of bash fest.

Captain_Lorelli

She works for a game site/show, and she makes statements like "the graphics should be better" This is all the Wii can do and it looks as vibrant as many games from the HD twins. Idiotic statements are idiotic.

She's obviously got different opinions on games, but calling her an idiot is a bit far. I looked her up on Wikipedia, apparently she went to UC Berkeley... I don't call that an idiot. With that knowledge she should do something else though.... she's just pissing people off.
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[QUOTE="BodyElite"]When I saw the commercial I thought the game was a joke. I'm 23 so games that target kids clearly won't interest me, but the graphics and gsmeplay simply looked horrid! Then I come on here and see that it scored a 10, I couldn't believe it. It's funny how grown men (I'm guessing most of you are above 16 years old) defend this game which is meant mainly for kids with endless emotion. I just don't get it... I'm a grown man. Leave the super colorful, smiling platformers for the kids and girls. It probably deserves a 10, but it still is a kids game

This post just made me depressed. Are you telling me that past the age of 20 you can't enjoy a game that also appeals to kids? Wow.
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#124 Espada12
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I love how she wants it to be more realistic. Although she Catches herself because she knows it's a Mario game. I also love how she and that other chick said that the game was DS Graphics.

L.O.L.

Captain_Lorelli

^ The DS comment makes me wonder how some of you agree with her. This is not an opinion, it is completely random and 100% wrong.

It's a video about graphics. She is simply hating on the graphics, even the other guy that is picking up for SMG is making her complaints look really petty, you can tell even adam doesn't quite agree with her but doesn't want to say it outright.

What I also found hilarious is that she complained about it yet gave it a perfect score and then comes to say it isn't for everyone.. says alot about xplay review/scores :P

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#125 789shadow
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Yes, she's only stating her opinion. Too bad it's ridiculous.

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#126 LegatoSkyheart
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I love how she wants it to be more realistic. Although she Catches herself because she knows it's a Mario game. I also love how she and that other chick said that the game was DS Graphics.

L.O.L.

Captain_Lorelli

^ The DS comment makes me wonder how some of you agree with her. This is not an opinion, it is completely random and 100% wrong.

for the record...I was being sarcastic. the lol was real though because she was absolutely ridiculous. It was obvious Sessler liked the game.

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People still care about G4?
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#128 chrion133
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[QUOTE="Mark36111"]

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

In some situations yes. I can easily express my opinion on games but if they lack any reasoning then people will call me out and furthermore, it would just be an opinion. Morgan Webb is part of a show that reviews games and should provide better reasoning as to why she does not like SMG2. Can I not call her out on it? This is afterall a gaming forum.

Furthermore comparing colors is too broad. Comparing games is sometimes not as broad.

In addition, I can say Ocarina of Time is overrated but if I just said that without giving an explanation that is reasonable, then my opinion is weak and people will not take it seriously.

Lastly, everyone has opinions but stating that "it's my opinion" is sort of a cop out, the easy way out and obvious.

Captain_Lorelli

She did provide reasoning and explanation as to why she doesn't like the game. You just don't approve of it.


Her preferences are such that she likes non-cartoony, "mature," HD games. These preferences are no less legitimate than any others, so I fail to see what everyone's complaint is.

You're right. " It its justt to.too. cart cartonny.. I..I.. it is just not adult enough it is insipid" Basically it doesn't have guns and isn't a PS3 exclusive.

Its a huge grey area of opinion, but for most people depending on there age and personality there is a line thats drawn. Its the same reasoning that normal 30+ year old women dont watch the teletubbies in there spare time for enjoyment, because its obviously way past that line in general for them. This overly childish mario game fits in the same catagory of crossing the line for a lot of adults. she didnt say anything about guns, or violence, and you guys trying to slander her opinion with your extreme exageration is much worse than her saying how she feels, oh and her points were all valid.

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#129 BodyElite
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[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="BodyElite"]When I saw the commercial I thought the game was a joke. I'm 23 so games that target kids clearly won't interest me, but the graphics and gsmeplay simply looked horrid! Then I come on here and see that it scored a 10, I couldn't believe it. It's funny how grown men (I'm guessing most of you are above 16 years old) defend this game which is meant mainly for kids with endless emotion. I just don't get it... I'm a grown man. Leave the super colorful, smiling platformers for the kids and girls. It probably deserves a 10, but it still is a kids game

This post just made me depressed. Are you telling me that past the age of 20 you can't enjoy a game that also appeals to kids? Wow.

Mario games are developed for kids... Yet any Mario game that comes out usually has a cult of nerdy grownups that wait in line at midnight. I remember when smg1 was launching at midnight and I walked in the gamestop seeing 10 or so musky nerds standing around the store at 5 o'clock!! I asked the guy if a game was coming out tonight and he said smg. I laughed and walked out the store. Monday night football was on too with my team playing so I could not relate to them at all. I remember on these boards when sunshine released and you guys defended it to no end. It's a game where u spray giggling flowers with a water gun!! Meh, to each his own I guess!
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#130 Captain_Lorelli
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[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

The very first words out of her mouth are she sees why people like the game but it isn't for her. I hardly consider this some kind of bash fest.

oldkingallant

She works for a game site/show, and she makes statements like "the graphics should be better" This is all the Wii can do and it looks as vibrant as many games from the HD twins. Idiotic statements are idiotic.

She's obviously got different opinions on games, but calling her an idiot is a bit far. I looked her up on Wikipedia, apparently she went to UC Berkeley... I don't call that an idiot. With that knowledge she should do something else though.... she's just pissing people off.

I never called her an idiot. I said her statements were. She puttered through the entire video trying to think of things to say to justify her reasons for disliking it. DS graphics, needs to be more adult...Btw my brother has a PHD in Psychology from Ohio State University...He is one of the stupidest people I know...

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#131 monson21502
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wish she would bash me:o

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#132 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

Morgan, 1991 called, they want their sega fanboyism back

Midnightshade29

God forbid someone in the industry has their own opinon. You guys worship nintendo so much, its like a crime to even critique a game of theirs. MG2 is just like an expansion to MG1, there is no reason it should of gotten a 10. Yet these same reviewers bash other sequels for doing some of the same gameplay (yet adding tons of more additions...)

How about you actually play it first?

But I do remember that you thought that R&C: ACIT should have gotten the 10 instead, which indicates to me that your premature opinion is more about Sony .vs. Nintendo than anything.

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#133 Captain_Lorelli
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[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="BodyElite"]When I saw the commercial I thought the game was a joke. I'm 23 so games that target kids clearly won't interest me, but the graphics and gsmeplay simply looked horrid! Then I come on here and see that it scored a 10, I couldn't believe it. It's funny how grown men (I'm guessing most of you are above 16 years old) defend this game which is meant mainly for kids with endless emotion. I just don't get it... I'm a grown man. Leave the super colorful, smiling platformers for the kids and girls. It probably deserves a 10, but it still is a kids gameBodyElite
This post just made me depressed. Are you telling me that past the age of 20 you can't enjoy a game that also appeals to kids? Wow.

Mario games are developed for kids... Yet any Mario game that comes out usually has a cult of nerdy grownups that wait in line at midnight. I remember when smg1 was launching at midnight and I walked in the gamestop seeing 10 or so musky nerds standing around the store at 5 o'clock!! I asked the guy if a game was coming out tonight and he said smg. I laughed and walked out the store. Monday night football was on too with my team playing so I could not relate to them at all. I remember on these boards when sunshine released and you guys defended it to no end. It's a game where u spray giggling flowers with a water gun!! Meh, to each his own I guess!

You Sir, have a maturity complex. If buying a cartoony game makes you insecure, I wonder how fake your life really is.

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#134 chrion133
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Yes, she's only stating her opinion. Too bad it's ridiculous.

789shadow

absolutely not, she was dead on. And for the millions of people who wouldnt play the game, just like they wouldnt watch dora the explora, or the teletubbies, What she said is the only real review (even though it wasnt officially a review) that matters so far. All the 10 reviews exist, but not to me, Its a 10 for my son, but a 5 for me. And not because I have to have guns and blood and violence in all the media I enjoy to feel secure in my adulthood and manliness, but literally because the childish appeal of cartoons and nursury ryme books are far behind me at this point. Im just not interested, and im glad she has this strong opinion, because shes not the only one.

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#135 GreySeal9
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As for the Morgan Webb comment, all I have to say is:

Thank God she doesn't do reviews.

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#136 Captain_Lorelli
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yes, she's only stating her opinion. Too bad it's ridiculous.

chrion133

absolutely not, she was dead on. And for the millions of people who wouldnt play the game, just like they wouldnt watch dora the explora, or the teletubbies, What she said is the only real review (even though it wasnt officially a review) that matters so far. All the 10 reviews exist, but not to me, Its a 10 for my son, but a 5 for me. And not because I have to have guns and blood and violence in all the media I enjoy to feel secure in my adulthood and manliness, but literally because the childish appeal of cartoons and nursury ryme books are far behind me at this point. Im just not interested, and im glad she has this strong opinion, because shes not the only one.

Attitudes like this are why 18 year old boys die in war everyday. Grats to sustaining the ignorance.

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#137 chrion133
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[QUOTE="BodyElite"][QUOTE="oldkingallant"] This post just made me depressed. Are you telling me that past the age of 20 you can't enjoy a game that also appeals to kids? Wow.Captain_Lorelli

Mario games are developed for kids... Yet any Mario game that comes out usually has a cult of nerdy grownups that wait in line at midnight. I remember when smg1 was launching at midnight and I walked in the gamestop seeing 10 or so musky nerds standing around the store at 5 o'clock!! I asked the guy if a game was coming out tonight and he said smg. I laughed and walked out the store. Monday night football was on too with my team playing so I could not relate to them at all. I remember on these boards when sunshine released and you guys defended it to no end. It's a game where u spray giggling flowers with a water gun!! Meh, to each his own I guess!

You Sir, have a maturity complex. If buying a cartoony game makes you insecure, I wonder how fake your life really is.

No I think the fact that he just isnt interested and you are excited to play a cartoon game for little kids makes you feel insecure, so you start throwing exagerated insults.

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#138 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yes, she's only stating her opinion. Too bad it's ridiculous.

chrion133

absolutely not, she was dead on. And for the millions of people who wouldnt play the game, just like they wouldnt watch dora the explora, or the teletubbies, What she said is the only real review (even though it wasnt officially a review) that matters so far. All the 10 reviews exist, but not to me, Its a 10 for my son, but a 5 for me. And not because I have to have guns and blood and violence in all the media I enjoy to feel secure in my adulthood and manliness, but literally because the childish appeal of cartoons and nursury ryme books are far behind me at this point. Im just not interested, and im glad she has this strong opinion, because shes not the only one.

Absolutely ridiculous comparison. It's like you can't distinguish between things that are colorful and think that if it is colorful, it must be in a category with the Teletubbies and Dora the Explorer.

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#139 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="BodyElite"] Mario games are developed for kids... Yet any Mario game that comes out usually has a cult of nerdy grownups that wait in line at midnight. I remember when smg1 was launching at midnight and I walked in the gamestop seeing 10 or so musky nerds standing around the store at 5 o'clock!! I asked the guy if a game was coming out tonight and he said smg. I laughed and walked out the store. Monday night football was on too with my team playing so I could not relate to them at all. I remember on these boards when sunshine released and you guys defended it to no end. It's a game where u spray giggling flowers with a water gun!! Meh, to each his own I guess!chrion133

You Sir, have a maturity complex. If buying a cartoony game makes you insecure, I wonder how fake your life really is.

No I think the fact that he just isnt interested and you are excited to play a cartoon game for little kids makes you feel insecure, so you start throwing exagerated insults.

It's not for little kids. It's universal. You sound like you've never touched a Mario game.

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#140 BodyElite
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[QUOTE="BodyElite"][QUOTE="oldkingallant"] This post just made me depressed. Are you telling me that past the age of 20 you can't enjoy a game that also appeals to kids? Wow.Captain_Lorelli

Mario games are developed for kids... Yet any Mario game that comes out usually has a cult of nerdy grownups that wait in line at midnight. I remember when smg1 was launching at midnight and I walked in the gamestop seeing 10 or so musky nerds standing around the store at 5 o'clock!! I asked the guy if a game was coming out tonight and he said smg. I laughed and walked out the store. Monday night football was on too with my team playing so I could not relate to them at all. I remember on these boards when sunshine released and you guys defended it to no end. It's a game where u spray giggling flowers with a water gun!! Meh, to each his own I guess!

You Sir, have a maturity complex. If buying a cartoony game makes you insecure, I wonder how fake your life really is.

there u cult members go again bashing others' opinions! Have fun jumping around space collecting smiling stars (how can mario even survive in space??) and please tell the smiling sun hey for me will ya?
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#141 Captain_Lorelli
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[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="BodyElite"] Mario games are developed for kids... Yet any Mario game that comes out usually has a cult of nerdy grownups that wait in line at midnight. I remember when smg1 was launching at midnight and I walked in the gamestop seeing 10 or so musky nerds standing around the store at 5 o'clock!! I asked the guy if a game was coming out tonight and he said smg. I laughed and walked out the store. Monday night football was on too with my team playing so I could not relate to them at all. I remember on these boards when sunshine released and you guys defended it to no end. It's a game where u spray giggling flowers with a water gun!! Meh, to each his own I guess!chrion133

You Sir, have a maturity complex. If buying a cartoony game makes you insecure, I wonder how fake your life really is.

No I think the fact that he just isnt interested and you are excited to play a cartoon game for little kids makes you feel insecure, so you start throwing exagerated insults.

Since when does cartoon = little kid. You spout on about how you are beyond Mario...What are you onto then. You are basically saying your are to mature for it. Entertain me and describe what lies beyond the realm of Mario for you Manliest of men.

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#142 chrion133
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[QUOTE="chrion133"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yes, she's only stating her opinion. Too bad it's ridiculous.

Captain_Lorelli

absolutely not, she was dead on. And for the millions of people who wouldnt play the game, just like they wouldnt watch dora the explora, or the teletubbies, What she said is the only real review (even though it wasnt officially a review) that matters so far. All the 10 reviews exist, but not to me, Its a 10 for my son, but a 5 for me. And not because I have to have guns and blood and violence in all the media I enjoy to feel secure in my adulthood and manliness, but literally because the childish appeal of cartoons and nursury ryme books are far behind me at this point. Im just not interested, and im glad she has this strong opinion, because shes not the only one.

Attitudes like this are why 18 year old boys die in war everyday. Grats to sustaining the ignorance.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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#143 Greyfeld
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[QUOTE="Mark36111"]

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

In some situations yes. I can easily express my opinion on games but if they lack any reasoning then people will call me out and furthermore, it would just be an opinion. Morgan Webb is part of a show that reviews games and should provide better reasoning as to why she does not like SMG2. Can I not call her out on it? This is afterall a gaming forum.

Furthermore comparing colors is too broad. Comparing games is sometimes not as broad.

In addition, I can say Ocarina of Time is overrated but if I just said that without giving an explanation that is reasonable, then my opinion is weak and people will not take it seriously.

Lastly, everyone has opinions but stating that "it's my opinion" is sort of a cop out, the easy way out and obvious.

Captain_Lorelli

She did provide reasoning and explanation as to why she doesn't like the game. You just don't approve of it.


Her preferences are such that she likes non-cartoony, "mature," HD games. These preferences are no less legitimate than any others, so I fail to see what everyone's complaint is.

You're right. " It its justt to.too. cart cartonny.. I..I.. it is just not adult enough it is insipid" Basically it doesn't have guns and isn't a PS3 exclusive.

No, she didn't say "neez moar gunz". She said it's insipid. And it is. Mario hasn't brought a new idea to the platforming genre since the N64, and Mario Galaxy is no exception. It's extremely polished, and has great gameplay... but it's still the same old mario that we've seen for years. And I think that she, as well as some others, would like to see Nintendo shake things up a bit.

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#144 hiphops_savior
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This is ridiculous, I have no problem if a person doesn't like a game like Super Mario Galaxy 2, same reason why I wouldn't like a game like Alan Wake or Gears of War. It's taste, and while there's nothing wrong with it, it doesn't change the fact that if you're doing a review, and you're being paid to critique it, it better be professional or you're going to lose credibility real fast. This is coming from a student whose studying Journalism, and if there's a game out there that are good but I just don't like it or have no interest, I just avoid buying it and respect the fact that others might like it more. Yes, some of SMG2's levels looks like a school or a toy room, but it's like bashing Up! for having cartoon graphics but liking a film like Transformers 2 that's arguably even less mature and more superficial than a film like Up!.
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[QUOTE="chrion133"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yes, she's only stating her opinion. Too bad it's ridiculous.

Captain_Lorelli

absolutely not, she was dead on. And for the millions of people who wouldnt play the game, just like they wouldnt watch dora the explora, or the teletubbies, What she said is the only real review (even though it wasnt officially a review) that matters so far. All the 10 reviews exist, but not to me, Its a 10 for my son, but a 5 for me. And not because I have to have guns and blood and violence in all the media I enjoy to feel secure in my adulthood and manliness, but literally because the childish appeal of cartoons and nursury ryme books are far behind me at this point. Im just not interested, and im glad she has this strong opinion, because shes not the only one.

Attitudes like this are why 18 year old boys die in war everyday. Grats to sustaining the ignorance.

This is right up there with the "buying used games is stealing" argument in terms of stupidity.
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#146 Captain_Lorelli
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[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="BodyElite"] Mario games are developed for kids... Yet any Mario game that comes out usually has a cult of nerdy grownups that wait in line at midnight. I remember when smg1 was launching at midnight and I walked in the gamestop seeing 10 or so musky nerds standing around the store at 5 o'clock!! I asked the guy if a game was coming out tonight and he said smg. I laughed and walked out the store. Monday night football was on too with my team playing so I could not relate to them at all. I remember on these boards when sunshine released and you guys defended it to no end. It's a game where u spray giggling flowers with a water gun!! Meh, to each his own I guess!BodyElite

You Sir, have a maturity complex. If buying a cartoony game makes you insecure, I wonder how fake your life really is.

there u cult members go again bashing others' opinions! Have fun jumping around space collecting smiling stars (how can mario even survive in space??) and please tell the smiling sun hey for me will ya?

I will, have fun teabagging 13 year olds as well.

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what is with him?
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#148 Greyfeld
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[QUOTE="chrion133"]

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

You Sir, have a maturity complex. If buying a cartoony game makes you insecure, I wonder how fake your life really is.

Captain_Lorelli

No I think the fact that he just isnt interested and you are excited to play a cartoon game for little kids makes you feel insecure, so you start throwing exagerated insults.

Since when does cartoon = little kid. You spout on about how you are beyond Mario...What are you onto then. You are basically saying your are to mature for it. Entertain me and describe what lies beyond the realm of Mario for you Manliest of men.

As Mario has evolved, so to speak, it's become increasingly more cutesie and child-like. There is nothing inherently wrong with this, but to deny this very fact is the epitome of blind fanboyism.

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#149 Captain_Lorelli
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[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

absolutely not, she was dead on. And for the millions of people who wouldnt play the game, just like they wouldnt watch dora the explora, or the teletubbies, What she said is the only real review (even though it wasnt officially a review) that matters so far. All the 10 reviews exist, but not to me, Its a 10 for my son, but a 5 for me. And not because I have to have guns and blood and violence in all the media I enjoy to feel secure in my adulthood and manliness, but literally because the childish appeal of cartoons and nursury ryme books are far behind me at this point. Im just not interested, and im glad she has this strong opinion, because shes not the only one.

Mark36111

Attitudes like this are why 18 year old boys die in war everyday. Grats to sustaining the ignorance.

This is right up there with the "buying used games is stealing" argument in terms of stupidity.

Its opinion man! Its my opinion yours in wrong! HArHAr

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#150 BodyElite
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[QUOTE="chrion133"]

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

You Sir, have a maturity complex. If buying a cartoony game makes you insecure, I wonder how fake your life really is.

GreySeal9

No I think the fact that he just isnt interested and you are excited to play a cartoon game for little kids makes you feel insecure, so you start throwing exagerated insults.

It's not for little kids. It's universal. You sound like you've never touched a Mario game.

Mario has gone more and more towards the kiddy side of the pool with every installment. It'd business. Most parents buy nintendo products for their toddlers, and that's where the money is! The Wii is as casual and kid friendly as it gets, and nintendo knows this and will make money from it... I have the option to read children's books, watch the movie "how to train your dragon," or even ride a fisher price bike. But do I??