Here's the 20 gig hard drive...

http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802117

SpaceMatt

I stand corrected. It would be very wise for a Core owner with no HDD to go out and get a 20GB HDD. Thinking ahead are we?

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"][QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="oceansandearth"]

Oh, don't say that! After all, MS has GIVEN them the OPTION of getting a hard-drive. Though, if you DON'T get it, you are screwed for all the future games.

Don't worry, at this rate MS is soon going to give them an OPTION of playing their games on a next-generation format.

:lol:

dubvisions

What kind of options does MS give 360 core owners on where to get a HDD? $180 at xbox.com, baby!!! Nice options.

That's the 120 GB HDD.

Go to 360's website here: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/catalog.aspx?st=&g=209000000&s=2&p=1&c=10

Tell me where you see anyhting but the 120GB.

My bad, readyour post in the wrong context :)

TLHBO!

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

That is the one game that requires the Hard drive.

dubvisions

We're all very confident it will be the ONLY one too, right? Didn't we see a CoD4 cover with a HDD warning on it just a little while back?

Oh.... here it is: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/cbebop007/call-of-duty-4-memory-hard-drive-required-36009.phtml

Even the devs claimed it was just a concept and a HDD won't be required.

"MyGamerCard.net reports that Infinity Ward Community Relations Manager, Robert Bowling, has confirmed that storage will not be required to play Call of Duty 4. According to Bowling, the icon was added to the concept art in order to represent how the box would appear once logos and icons were applied. It looks like all the people without memory cards or hard drives (both of them) can breathe a sigh of relief."

[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

That is the one game that requires the Hard drive.

Stabby2486

We're all very confident it will be the ONLY one too, right? Didn't we see a CoD4 cover with a HDD warning on it just a little while back?

Oh.... here it is: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/cbebop007/call-of-duty-4-memory-hard-drive-required-36009.phtml

It also says you can use a memory card.

Yeah, a 512MB card will hold, what, one demo?

People without hard drives probably dont do a whole lot online anyway. So i dont think this going to bother them at all.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

That is the one game that requires the Hard drive.

dubvisions

We're all very confident it will be the ONLY one too, right? Didn't we see a CoD4 cover with a HDD warning on it just a little while back?

Oh.... here it is: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/cbebop007/call-of-duty-4-memory-hard-drive-required-36009.phtml

:lol: Allit says is storage required.

In what game isn't storage required? Unless where going back to the SNES days when you didnt need a memory card or hard drive.

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"][QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

That is the one game that requires the Hard drive.

dubvisions

We're all very confident it will be the ONLY one too, right? Didn't we see a CoD4 cover with a HDD warning on it just a little while back?

Oh.... here it is: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/cbebop007/call-of-duty-4-memory-hard-drive-required-36009.phtml

It also says you can use a memory card.

Yeah, a 512MB card will hold, what, one demo?

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

xDonRobx

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

You lems keep denying that this problem exists. We'll see how this conversation goes by next Spring.dubvisions

It does exist. Thats why my after Mass Effect I will probably never use my 360 again, and get a PS3.

And Wii Fit :D

[QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

dubvisions

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

Well..

You might want to read then.

[QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

dubvisions

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

Mwahaha..

One demo, thats all lems. Thats all you get for all your OPTIONs.

[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

xDonRobx

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

Well..

You might want to read then.

No man. He is only comparing how much space anything occupies and going by a 500 MB demo, a memory card ain't gonna help, is it?

:lol:

[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

oceansandearth

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

Mwahaha..

One demo, thats all lems. Thats all you get for all your OPTIONs.

Demos on 360 are well over 500MB.

Infact, most the demos I download are 1GB or above.

I was talking about games. If people don't have a HDD, obviously they're a casual and don't plan on downloading 1GB demos.

I wasn't saying that 512MB is enough, but people act like it isn't even enough for 1 game.

[QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

dubvisions

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

What, in the name of all that is good and holy, does that have to do with the fact that HDD's will be needed for MMO's (and assumably other games)?

[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

SpigleyMcCheese

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

What, in the name of all that is good and holy, does that have to do with the fact that HDD's will be needed for MMO's (and assumably other games)?

What, isn't it obvious that casual gamers will go out and buy Core 360s, and immediately buy Final Fantasy XI followed by downloading 8 gigs' worth of demos?

OHHH SNAP; lemmings got PLAAAYYYED. dayumWSIDEconnection

Not the lemmings with a harddrive - duh!

Very good for lemmings with a HDD (like 90% of lemmings) very bad for lemmings without HDD (Heh, who cares).

I'm happy about this news :)

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

That is the one game that requires the Hard drive.

dubvisions

We're all very confident it will be the ONLY one too, right? Didn't we see a CoD4 cover with a HDD warning on it just a little while back?

Oh.... here it is: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/cbebop007/call-of-duty-4-memory-hard-drive-required-36009.phtml

Do you even read your own links?

"That box at the bottom? "Storage Required"? Shows a memory unit and a hard drive? What's that about?"

Also

"It seems obvious the 360 won't require a hard drive, per se, but "storage required?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be a first."

Self owned. :|

source

New Xbox 360 Games Will Require Hard Drive Model

Microsoft changes policy, says MMO developers can require hard drive space for games.

Microsoft announced this week that it would soon allow developers of massive multiplayer online games to require hard drive space when playing games on xbox360 despite the console maker's previous denial of such claims.

"Feel free to require 30GB for your game - that's just going to make your potential audience a lot smaller," a Microsoft representative told a group of developers while speaking at GameFest.

Effective immediately, Microsoft will not restrict the amount of hard drive space MMO game developers can use. It is unclear if non-MMO games will be allowed to require hard drives when playing future games on 360.

An estimated 20 percent of 360 owners don't own a hard drive, which is optional for those only wanting to purchase the Core model.

Developers will be able to create a single "Master Storage File" on user machines so long as the server-based games explicitly state the amount of hard drive space required on the front of the game's box.

Microsoft also said the that it will not increase the allowable size of Xbox live Arcade games which currently stand at 150 mb.

Just last week, Microsoft denied reports in an email to Gamepro that Xbox 360 Core owners would be unable to play certain games labeled with the "hard drive required" sticker.

"Every game will work with every Xbox 360 system," a Microsoft spokesman told us. That no longer appears to be the case, at least with MMO games.

Gangans

1. Final Fantasy 11 already dumps about 5-6 gigs on the HDD.

2. What fanboy is ging to have a core system with no HDD.

3. What casual gamer whodoesn't have a hard drive is going to care a massive multiplayer online game...

let my clarify that. You need an HDD to go online.

LOL

First, PS3 owners say "LOL, YOU GUYS ARE OWNED BECAUSE UR LIMITED BY CORE USERS AND U CANT USE UR HARDDRIVE FOR GAMES", and now that we don't have that problem anymore, you go "OWNED BECAUSE CORE USERS ARE OBSELETE THEY CANT DO ANYTHING"

Aren't you guys full of crap? Nobody cares about core models. If they cared enough about getting these upcoming games - they can buy a hard drive.

GodLovesDead

Yeah but the fact that the premium model costs so much more for only a 20 GB hard drive is rediculous. Just to buy the damn drive is still 100 dollars here in Canada while the 120 GB one islike200, compared to PC drives that is ahuge rip off. One would be better off just buying a USB external drive, I have a 200 GB external that is partitioned so I can use one of the empty partitions to store 360 data if I wanted to. Alas I do not even own one yet so even if I only got the Core pack,I would still not need to havea drive since I got one already.

Lemmings are not shafted. A lemming is a fanboy. I don't think anyone hardcore enough to be considered a "lemming" is without a HDD.

If you want to talk about casuals, that's a different conversation...but lemmings are not shafted.

Am I the only one that doesn't think this is a big deal? I only see MMO games mentioned......most console gamers don't play MMO games on their console, that's what a PC is for isn't it?

Now if we are talking about games like COD4, ok yeah X360 owners can start to **** their pants but having MMO games require a harddrive makes sense.

Lemmings are not shafted. A lemming is a fanboy. I don't think anyone hardcore enough to be considered a "lemming" is without a HDD.

If you want to talk about casuals, that's a different conversation...but lemmings are not shafted.

Dreams-Visions

Maybe the lemmings that use the"Core price" arguement are shafted then? I see a lot of Lems in this forum use the Core's price as a way to compete with the Wii as well as bash the PS3 price even more.

So, everyone has a hdd

Lemmings are not shafted. A lemming is a fanboy. I don't think anyone hardcore enough to be considered a "lemming" is without a HDD.

If you want to talk about casuals, that's a different conversation...but lemmings are not shafted.

Dreams-Visions

True Story

Damn. Guess they won't be playing any of those numerous MMO games coming out for the 360. Honestly, without those MMO's, what games does the 360 have?

/sarcasm

[QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

SpigleyMcCheese

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

What, in the name of all that is good and holy, does that have to do with the fact that HDD's will be needed for MMO's (and assumably other games)?

For using a picture of Yoda, you sure aren't very attentive. I brought up CoD4 and the label about storage spce, lems brought up that the "storage space" could beememory card. My point is that a 512MB mem card doesn't hold much. How much unpacked data and game saves will a 512MB card hold when even demos exceed that amount?

Get it?

What happen to all that talk about MS giving gamers the OPTION? Looks like the Option just went out the door. MS is going to keep milking.

[QUOTE="SpigleyMcCheese"][QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

dubvisions

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

What, in the name of all that is good and holy, does that have to do with the fact that HDD's will be needed for MMO's (and assumably other games)?

For using a picture of Yoda, you sure aren't very attentive. I brought up CoD4 and the label about storage spce, lems brought up that the "storage space" could beememory card. My point is that a 512MB mem card doesn't hold much. How much unpacked data and game saves will a 512MB card hold when even demos exceed that amount?

Get it?

None of my 360 games have save data totaling more than15 megs (and even that's probably a big overestimate), so I'd wagera memory cardcan hold a lot of saves

[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"][QUOTE="Gangans"]

[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]Dude, EVERYONE has a hard drive.zsc4

Tell that to those who don't.

Like who? I don't know anyone who dosen't.

Yeah right.

[QUOTE="SpigleyMcCheese"][QUOTE="dubvisions"][QUOTE="xDonRobx"]

512MB actually holds alot. I didn't think it did, but for any 360 owner, go check out your memory. You'll be surprised how much it holds.

dubvisions

Yeah, I just went and checked my PS3, and I just downloaded a demo of Dirt. it was over 500MB.

What, in the name of all that is good and holy, does that have to do with the fact that HDD's will be needed for MMO's (and assumably other games)?

For using a picture of Yoda, you sure aren't very attentive. I brought up CoD4 and the label about storage spce, lems brought up that the "storage space" could beememory card. My point is that a 512MB mem card doesn't hold much. How much unpacked data and game saves will a 512MB card hold when even demos exceed that amount?

Get it?

For casual gamers (for whom the Core 360was invented), all they need is a 512 MB memory card. Casual gamers just want to be able to play and save their games. They don't care about going online and getting a ton of downloads so storage space isn't going to be an issue for them.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

Lemmings are not shafted. A lemming is a fanboy. I don't think anyone hardcore enough to be considered a "lemming" is without a HDD.

If you want to talk about casuals, that's a different conversation...but lemmings are not shafted.

onewiththegame

True Story

Amen!

It already was for two games. :|

Persoanlly I hope games start using the HDD like they didwith the original xbox.

I don't get it. Cows are upset MS didn't require a HDD. But then when MS says games can be HDD required they are upset.mikasa

According to your post history, there seems to be a lot you fail to get. Perhaps the problem is with your critical thinking skills?

This thread is a cute amalgamation of weak attempts at ownage. I suppose people have to complain about something. I feel like i'm in an old-folks home.musicalmac

Sure beats 'wii graphics suck balls' threads and 'wii is only in it for teh sales' threads and 'ps3 has no games' threads and 'pc gaming is dead' threads.

Awesome, awesome awesome. This is great news.

Finally, the devs won't be held back by those idiotic Core owners.