How is Halo Mediocre?

Halo 3 is mediocre by halo standards, like how TP is mediocre by Zelda standards. Bungie ruined online, copy and pasted halo 1s plot and they are still continuing to ruin online as we speak with updates and map packs that never come out, there's also the game variants and maps that come up in online, like neutral assualt hammers on standoff

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]I whole heartedly agree. Elistist herms gonna come storming in. Prepare the bubble shield.JoeDoe1233

Don't worry, I got a BR, a mauler, 2 frags. I have an energy drainer down. I don't think they're going to be able to attack Halo 3 with paper bullets, mines well just shoot them down like animals.

[QUOTE="TPOJ-TPO"][QUOTE="ice144"]Halo's A.I. is the best? Hell, even Half-life 2's a.i. is better than halo's, and that's saying something(not counting episode 2, where they vastly improved it).

I recommend you play Bioshock, Half life 2, COD4, or even Prey if you want good and fitting dialogue for an FPS. I shouldn't have to go on the internet to understand what on earth the people in halo are talking about.

The ending was bad. No, disappointing is the better word. Only bioshock rival's it in that area.

The rest that you said I agree with, but let me add a little bit more.

Single-player: I want you to give me one good reason why Halo's sp mode isn't flat out bland compared to most other shooters out there.

Multiplayer: No comment here, pretty good for a console game.

ice144

If you've been playing Halo since the beginning, you'll know what they're talking about. Halo 3 is a sequal where all the games you mentioned really begin a new story within the same universe, or are original.

The ending was more for the hardcore fans for Halo, so I can't argue with what you said.

The single player is great. Read what I said about the game's AI. The story really just continues where Halo 2 left off, and you're Finishing the Fight. The enviroments work very well together too as you try to take on enemies on all difficulties. There's also much more going on in the background if you decide to stop and listen to marines or radios. Many of the minor characters are also in most of the levels, and it's fun knowing their there because those certain marines recongize you and talk to you as if you're friends. And all of what Cortana says before the level 'Cortana', her dialoge is from the book 'Halo: Fall of Reach'. Infact a lot of Halo 3 has points from the rest of the Halo universe in there to tell you what else is going on or what happened before Halo 3. That's the single player.

Let me first start off by saying I've never seen an instance of what I bolded happen(I've heard them speak to each other, but i don't remember it having any practical effect besides the standard fps "GRENADE" call).

The only enemy from my memory of Halo that has any "good" a.i. is the brute, which occasionally does the things you listed(besides the grunts that run away). The same can be said for Half-life 2's Hunter, which also shows good a.i. Other than that, every single enemy in half life 2 or halo has the mindset of "let's charge them guys!" or "let's stand here and let them shoot us guys!"

I have played halo since the begining, and have read the books. I can safely say that for me, I would have had no idea what was going on in the halo universe had I not read them.

The fact that you have to mention a book to explain the dialogue for a level in Halo explains just how bad storywise the games were.

I respect your opinion on your last paragraph, but for me, I disagree. There are plenty of games with single-player modes that have done better than Halo has, in almost every single field.

Cortana's dialoge from the first Halo book is mostly for fans of the series, but it also tells you what's going to happen or what did happen, all said by Dr. Halsey. But the story in the games are great as well. Between the trilogy, the games are based on what you're doing, while throwing in other stories or what's going on at the same time in the same universe. Having Halo 3 give you the story at hand and what else is going on at the same time is remarkable.

[QUOTE="JoeDoe1233"]

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]I whole heartedly agree. Elistist herms gonna come storming in. Prepare the bubble shield.nintendo-4life

Don't worry, I got a BR, a mauler, 2 frags. I have an energy drainer down. I don't think they're going to be able to attack Halo 3 with paper bullets, mines well just shoot them down like animals.

Dual-wield maulers, but I already corrected him and told him to get a Sniper.

you want a fps thats incredibly oveated and beyond mediocre, go play hl2. halo on the otherhand is an outstanding series. each title IMO is not as good as the one prior (halo ce>>>>>>>>>>>>) but are still fantastc games. even though i refuse to support ms anymore because of their shoddy 360 hardware i still love the series :Pninjaxams

Seriously. If you don't know what you're saying, don't talk.

Tribes a game released three years before Halo already did everything Halo did and more. Vehicles, three armor types with different restrictions and different roles in matches, many more weapons, jetpacks, huge open maps, great taunts, ctf and dm etc, huge games with 32 players or more. The reason Tribes wasn't as popular as Halo was that it wasn't easy for casuals. You'd have to have skill to excel at the game and learn all it's tricks.

Unlike Halo where it's very casual friendly. The thing is I've already seen everything Halo had to offer, and better. That's why Halo was mediocre to me.

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]you want a fps thats incredibly oveated and beyond mediocre, go play hl2. halo on the otherhand is an outstanding series. each title IMO is not as good as the one prior (halo ce>>>>>>>>>>>>) but are still fantastc games. even though i refuse to support ms anymore because of their shoddy 360 hardware i still love the series :P3ggman

Seriously. If you don't know what you're saying, don't talk.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="JoeDoe1233"]

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"]I whole heartedly agree. Elistist herms gonna come storming in. Prepare the bubble shield.SSCyborg

Don't worry, I got a BR, a mauler, 2 frags. I have an energy drainer down. I don't think they're going to be able to attack Halo 3 with paper bullets, mines well just shoot them down like animals.

Dual-wield maulers, but I already corrected him and told him to get a Sniper.

a sniper is useful but is hard to use, and like i said two long range weapons is not the best way to go, remember he has a powerdrain not a bubble shield or a regenerator, he's literally screwed if they managed to come up close.

Seems having an opinion makes you elitist...

A while back I had a go of the PC port of Halo 1 to see what the fuss was about, couldn't for the life of me figure out what made people love the game so much. It reminded me of the time I had a go of Unreal 2, slow movement plus enemy spam.

Its much better then any ps3 or wii game thats for sure

And it has the best multiplayer around

I find there are two camps with Halo. Those who think it's the greatest game ever made, and those who continue to say it's somehow mediocre or average. Usually comments from one camp provokes the other, hence they continue to exist.

Then there's everyone else; who recognises that Halo is simply a AAA series of first person shooters, and definately one of the best games currently available on consoles, amongst others.

How is not mediocre?dream431ca

Haze is mediocre. Halo is much better than Haze. Question answered.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]How is not mediocre?Ninja-Hippo

Haze is mediocre. Halo is much better than Haze. Question answered.

Haze is not mediocre, it's bad. Halo 3 is mediocre, Half-life 2 is great.

because a MOD called counter-strike for hl which was created in 1998 provided better multiplayer than halo3 did in 2007. there was way more balance and action going on in the game. not to mention how halo3 had a terrible campaign(although halo:ce had a somewhat good campaign even though it was kinda boring and bland), which can in no way be argued to be better than half-life's.

i think ice pretty much owned the TC and the hardcore lemmings are in denial

Do people think that everyone is going to like a single game? Get over it, some people aren't going to enjoy it.

After the original Halo I just couldn't get into 2 or 3, they are just no good to me.

Its neither great or bad, its just simply good.

Halo is overrated garbage.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]How is not mediocre?dream431ca

Haze is mediocre. Halo is much better than Haze. Question answered.

Haze is not mediocre, it's bad. Halo 3 is mediocre, Half-life 2 is great.

Half Life is my favourite series of all time. And it is not leagues better than Halo. I prefer it over Halo, definately. But they're both more than worthy parts of my collection. A mediocre game is a 6 or a 7. It's only ok. To say Halo is only OK is to say that one great game is released every ten years.

Halo is overrated garbage.

blazed0000

Yet you have a killzone avatar.

Really?

I like Halo, but it so overrated. Its hype kinda hurt it, and some of the levels got so repetitive, it got to point that I just wish they just ended (like the snow one before the flood level, and the library).

Otherwise it was fun (beside the repetitive part), and has a decent story, so it far from mediocre.

the field of view sucks aka fov

and you cant turn off aim assist no option noob game.

the field of view sucks aka fov

and you cant turn off aim assist no option noob game.

woobabooba

Seriously man. It can't compare to ut3 for sure.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]How is not mediocre?Ninja-Hippo

Haze is mediocre. Halo is much better than Haze. Question answered.

Haze is not mediocre, it's bad. Halo 3 is mediocre, Half-life 2 is great.

Half Life is my favourite series of all time. And it is not leagues better than Halo. I prefer it over Halo, definately. But they're both more than worthy parts of my collection. A mediocre game is a 6 or a 7. It's only ok. To say Halo is only OK is to say that one great game is released every ten years.

See, I don't rate a game on score, I rate a game after I played it. Haze = garbage, Halo = mediocre, did nothing new for the FPS genre, was a fun game, but nothing special. Half-life 2 = Gravity Gun....nuff said. But seriously Half-life 2 blew me away when it came to physics, gameplay, pacing, length, graphics and the most important thing...fun.

You should get rid of the last paragraph.

If Halo isn't people's cup of tea, then they state that it's "mediocre." Halo isn't my cup of tea, honestly.

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1. please tell me why it has bad AI...give me an example.

2. So "The Covenant" level, "Arrival" level, " The Ark" level and the "Tsao's Highway" (something like that, i dont know the first word of the level but the 2nd one is Highway") are all levels that have nothing in them? lol great logic (sarcasm). COD4 has good environements but i wouldnt want to touch a game as mediocre as Resistance.

3. i dont care what your GT is... what does it have to do with NPC aim and difficulty?

4. ok thats your opinion. fine

5. lol just try and go through the game on Legendary using only a BR. you'll die the first level. every gun is useful in its own way and most importantly, they are all fun to use.

6. eh mostly opinion wise. i thought the ending was pretty good but i do admit that it was kinda dissapointing.

so most of your arguements suck...no offense.

Cloud_Insurance

I already explained everything in another post. You can put some effort forth and actually read the whole thread. The AI in Halo 3 is not good. Period. The "mediocre" Resistance has significantly better AI, but then again, you haven't played Resistance, so you wouldn't know. You are simply looking at the review score and guessing that it has bad AI. And whoever said Half Life 2 had good AI is wrong, it has worse AI than Halo 3, but that has nothing to do with anything. Simply increasing the enemy's accuracy and weapon damage as you increase the difficulty level does not mean the game has good AI.

The outdoor environments have very little geometry to them. The indoor environments are ridiculously sparse, void of furniture, art, anything that you would see inside a structure. The outdoor environments (After the first level in the jungle) are pretty much just huge open spaces with rock formations and high canyon walls. Boring and repetitive.

Try and take down the scarabs while piloting a hog. The NPCs will take forever to bring them down. FOR. EV. ER. There aim is atrocious, they do absolutely nothing for you.

I gave you my GT for a reason, to show you that I played through the game on Legendary (even got all the skulls). As with previous Halo games its not hard to beat by yourself. All it takes is patience and a whole lot of backtracking for ammo. Outside of grenades and the occasional rocket or sniper rifle, all you need to beat the game is the BR and PP, nothing has changed from Halo 1. The poor AI makes the game a joke even on Legendary. The enemy so rarely engages you, so rarely pursues you, flanks you, that you really have nothing to worry about. Hang back until the opportunity presents itself, then shoot a little, take some damage, go hide again, recover health, and repeat.

So yeah, my arguments are better than your apparent non existent ones. Thanks.

1. oh so every reviewer is tottaly wrong about it havind good AI but OF COURSE you know best about it. Tell me, what game DOES have good AI?

2. Why the hell would you have furniture in a place of war???? btw the game is set in the future so its not gona have chairs and couches but rather more futuristic things. I just said a bunch of levels with a bunch of geometry in them. "Tsavo's Highway", "Sierra 117", The Ark, Floodgate. again your logic fails big time.

3. put an NPC on the passenger seat of a Mongoose and give him a spartan laser or a rocket launcher and see how much damage he can do.

4. lol i bet it took you a whole lot of time and deaths to finally beat legendary. besides if you want to have a FUN experience, why would you use only 2 guns? wow.

So, your arguements have a lot of flaws and crap pulled outta your ass. Thanks.

You hear many fanboys, in particular Hermits, toss around the idea that Halo is a mediocre game. Besides the fact that their arguement changes from Halo 1 is awful to Halo 1 was great, then to Halo 2 stunk then to Halo 1 and 2 were great but Halo 3 failed, I want to know why people say this.

the way I look at it, there are typically 3 main arguements used

- it does nothing new

- it's nothing by pc standards

- it's only popular, not good

So you guys really think Halo does nothing new? Give me a game that looks like this: http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=udVuT7n2qEE

Seriously, I dare you, do it. I can match COD4 with a game easily, Crysis, or Killzone, or whatever, but I fail to see a game like Halo. An then there's forge which is more so like a funbox which can be used as a map editor and then neat stuff like boarding and that stuff

Next up- nothing by pc standards.---> Is this a serious statement? Pc standards aren't exactly higher for shooters nowadays. Proof? Well just look at COD4 or Bioshock- same game, same score, meaning same scale.

And the last one, ahh... no comment, you guys can figure that one out.

* here's my point: Why do you guys essentially pretend it's not good? It is. Why not just buy a 360 for it, they're not that expensive now. I've been playing Halo 3 strongly for over a year now, and I'm not letting up. Halo 3 is the only game worth a 10 this generation.

JoeDoe1233

Here's how I see it:

Halo wasn't mediocre. It seems mediocre now.

The original Halo was a great game. It really wowed people back then. However, it seemed to stay with the same formula,continuing the series, that gave people the sense that it was "overused".

So, as some of the other shooter games advanced in the areas that Halo(s) lacked in, it seemd to age, to an almost older way the shooter games were made.

Thats why it probably seems mediocre now a days.I hope you understood it.

The only things I can see as to why people like it are:
- Multiplayer is fun
- Story
Otherwise I think its the average FPS. I don't understand why its hyped as much as it is. Yeah, its fun -- but I dont know why its hyped as much as it is.
Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]How is not mediocre?dream431ca

Haze is mediocre. Halo is much better than Haze. Question answered.

Haze is not mediocre, it's bad. Halo 3 is mediocre, Half-life 2 is great.

Half Life is my favourite series of all time. And it is not leagues better than Halo. I prefer it over Halo, definately. But they're both more than worthy parts of my collection. A mediocre game is a 6 or a 7. It's only ok. To say Halo is only OK is to say that one great game is released every ten years.

See, I don't rate a game on score, I rate a game after I played it. Haze = garbage, Halo = mediocre, did nothing new for the FPS genre, was a fun game, but nothing special. Half-life 2 = Gravity Gun....nuff said. But seriously Half-life 2 blew me away when it came to physics, gameplay, pacing, length, graphics and the most important thing...fun.

Good for you. But many more people find Halo amazing, and have the reveiwers to back them up.

It isnt mediocre, its just barely an improvement from Halo 2 besides graphics.division_9

lol failed statement

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]How is not mediocre?dream431ca

Haze is mediocre. Halo is much better than Haze. Question answered.

Haze is not mediocre, it's bad. Halo 3 is mediocre, Half-life 2 is great.

Half Life is my favourite series of all time. And it is not leagues better than Halo. I prefer it over Halo, definately. But they're both more than worthy parts of my collection. A mediocre game is a 6 or a 7. It's only ok. To say Halo is only OK is to say that one great game is released every ten years.

See, I don't rate a game on score, I rate a game after I played it. Haze = garbage, Halo = mediocre, did nothing new for the FPS genre, was a fun game, but nothing special. Half-life 2 = Gravity Gun....nuff said. But seriously Half-life 2 blew me away when it came to physics, gameplay, pacing, length, graphics and the most important thing...fun.

Haze = Bad

Halo = Great

Half Life = Great

is that so hard to accept? jeezz