How can anyone play shooters on a controller?

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Oh finally, someone who agrees with me about the keyboard. Fine for some genres, but absolutely unintuitive for others. Want smooth movement in an FPS....lol no Ravensmash

You must try to move with the arrow keys or something. Try a MS natural keyboard and use the WASD configuration. It's really smooth and it's easy. I prefer a controller for any games involving driving, but GTA is playable with a keyboard.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Oh finally, someone who agrees with me about the keyboard. Fine for some genres, but absolutely unintuitive for others. Want smooth movement in an FPS....lol no Ravensmash

You must try to move with the arrow keys or something. Try a MS natural keyboard and use the WASD configuration. It's really smooth and it's easy. I prefer a controller for any games involving driving, but GTA is playable with a keyboard.

Never had it jerky for me unless the game was lagging. Do you have an older computer or something? Using a controller is smooth, using a keyboard is smooth. I use to love playing Goldeneye and got really good with a controller. But moved to the PC, starting keyboard was a little rough but now that's the only thing I can play. I am sure if I switched exclusively to controller I would pick it up again but right now m/kb are the best.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Oh finally, someone who agrees with me about the keyboard. Fine for some genres, but absolutely unintuitive for others. Want smooth movement in an FPS....lol no Ravensmash

You must try to move with the arrow keys or something. Try a MS natural keyboard and use the WASD configuration. It's really smooth and it's easy. I prefer a controller for any games involving driving, but GTA is playable with a keyboard.

Same, and truth.

I do use WASD for movement, doesn't stop the fact that it's ultimately more jerky than analogue movement.Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]I do use WASD for movement, doesn't stop the fact that it's ultimately more jerky than analogue movement.cain006

link please

metal_zombie

There you go. And I thought that these controllers were more well known. They're kind of pricey, but the option is still there.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]I do use WASD for movement, doesn't stop the fact that it's ultimately more jerky than analogue movement.cain006

Fortunately, everyone will be similarly handicapped in multiplayer

I would love it if mouse and keyboard become officially supported ways of controlling input in console games

The_Capitalist

Well you can't have both.

I think it's quite easy. The hardest part is finding where I left it.

[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]link please

cain006

There you go. And I thought that these controllers were more well known. They're kind of pricey, but the option is still there.

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Oh finally, someone who agrees with me about the keyboard. Fine for some genres, but absolutely unintuitive for others. Want smooth movement in an FPS....lol no Ravensmash

You must try to move with the arrow keys or something. Try a MS natural keyboard and use the WASD configuration. It's really smooth and it's easy. I prefer a controller for any games involving driving, but GTA is playable with a keyboard.

Right... That's EXACTLY like me saying "I use analog to aim, doesn't change that fact that it's ultimately more jerky than KB/M"

Simple. I turn on my console, pick up my controller, insert the disc of the shooter I want to play and select it from the dashboard.

That's how it's always worked for me, anyway...

I am getting BF3 next week on the PS3 (and the PC), but I will be mostly playing the PS3 version until my PC is fixed. I've never played an FPS game on a console, but I have tried FPS demos on consoles at Best Buy and Target.

Analog sticks are an imprecise and sloppy way of controlling crossairs in a game. Coming from a mouse and keyboard, how can anyone deal with this level of imprecision? Fortunately, everyone will be similarly handicapped in multiplayer, so hopefully it won't be too bad.

This is my biggest gripe about console gaming, and I would love it if mouse and keyboard become officially supported ways of controlling input in console games, but I doubt Sony or Microsoft would allow that.

But oh well. I will be playing BF3 on PS3 until Ivy Bridge launches next year so that I can replace this busted motherboard and sell the CPU/RAM. So I will just to deal with it...

The_Capitalist

Unless you have absolutely god-awful-terrible hand eye coordination it really shouldn't be that difficult...

There's like a 2 second learning curve going between m/k to controller and vice versa. People should stop over-exaggerating it.

Fact: A mouse is quicker and more accurate than a controller.

My take?

Both are equally viable options for gaming. I've used both (although console much more extensively than PC) and I'm about to build a gaming rig for the first time ever, and honestly? I don't feel a big difference. True, I'm not as used to KB/M as the average PC gamer, but I can see the difference in speed and accuracy and appreciate having it. I don't find playing on consoles to be a huge handicap for 2 reasons: 1) I turn aim-assist off the first chance I get and 2) I ALWAYS max out my sensitivity.

I was playing the BF3 beta on PS3 and my friend who hadn't played much of it yet saw me frantically doing 180s and checking my surroundings. He says, "Where's the quick turn button?" So I said, "What?" "How did you turn around so fast like that?" "Umm, my sensitivity is maxed." To which he replied, "Man, I should probably up my sensitivity."

Is it harder to be accurate at high sensitivity on dual-analog? Absolutely. However, more difficult doesn't mean impossible. I've played FPSs on dual-analog, KB/M, and the Move and had both fun and success with each. In terms of usability it goes KB/M > Move > DS3 for me. That doesn't mean I still don't spend the majority of my time using a controller and enjoying.

The main reason I'm getting a gaming rig is for the games it offers that my platform of choice doesn't (L4D, Amnesia, Cryostasis, etc.) and to see games that I already own or will own on my PS3 in their full glory (Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, etc.).

Also, as a direct answer to the TC: Millions of people drive cars that aren't Porches, yet they can still safely and confidently get from Point A to Point B. Taking a luxury car on a trip might be the preferred and better way to ride, but it doesn't mean that other modes of transportation are terrible.

Also, as a direct answer to the TC: Millions of people drive cars that aren't Porches, yet they can still safely and confidently get from Point A to Point B. Taking a luxury car on a trip might be the preferred and better way to ride, but it doesn't mean that other modes of transportation are terrible.

Ryan_Som

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

Also, as a direct answer to the TC: Millions of people drive cars that aren't Porches, yet they can still safely and confidently get from Point A to Point B. Taking a luxury car on a trip might be the preferred and better way to ride, but it doesn't mean that other modes of transportation are terrible.

Chris_Williams

Fair enough. It's not the best analogy, but it's not far off. Luxury and sports cars are better for driving that requires quick maneuvering and fast reactions. If we were to equate controllers to other cars, there are vans and buses. Not ultimately as accurate in movement, but they can carry a lot more people...like consoles. :P

EDIT: And yes, I agree: They both have pros and cons. I tried playing the Batman: Arkham Asylum demo with KB/M. It was...interesting. Definitely prefer a controller for that type of game though. I do have to ask where preference lies for TPSs. I can't imagine playing Uncharted with a KB/M.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

Also, as a direct answer to the TC: Millions of people drive cars that aren't Porches, yet they can still safely and confidently get from Point A to Point B. Taking a luxury car on a trip might be the preferred and better way to ride, but it doesn't mean that other modes of transportation are terrible.

Ryan_Som

Fair enough. It's not the best analogy, but it's not far off. Luxury and sports cars are better for driving that requires quick maneuvering and fast reactions. If we were to equate controllers to other cars, there are vans and buses. Not ultimately as accurate in movement, but they can carry a lot more people...like consoles. :P

EDIT: And yes, I agree: They both have pros and cons. I tried playing the Batman: Arkham Asylum demo with KB/M. It was...interesting. Definitely prefer a controller for that type of game though. I do have to ask where preference lies for TPSs. I can't imagine playing Uncharted with a KB/M.

Also, as a direct answer to the TC: Millions of people drive cars that aren't Porches, yet they can still safely and confidently get from Point A to Point B. Taking a luxury car on a trip might be the preferred and better way to ride, but it doesn't mean that other modes of transportation are terrible.

Ryan_Som

Long distance shots on PC is so much easier but I prefer the movement controls on the controller.

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

Also, as a direct answer to the TC: Millions of people drive cars that aren't Porches, yet they can still safely and confidently get from Point A to Point B. Taking a luxury car on a trip might be the preferred and better way to ride, but it doesn't mean that other modes of transportation are terrible.

lowe0

Analogy improvement: Approved. ;)

Unrelated sidenote, I can drive both. :P

how can anyone play on a computer. mouse and keyboard is so annoying and uncomfortable to use to play gamesmems_1224

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]how can anyone play on a computer. mouse and keyboard is so annoying and uncomfortable to use to play gamesPC360Wii

It is if you're using a 13" CRT monitor, budget keyboard, and a mouse that still has a tracball. :P

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]how can anyone play on a computer. mouse and keyboard is so annoying and uncomfortable to use to play gamesRyan_Som

It is if you're using a 13" CRT monitor, budget keyboard, and a mouse that still has a tracball. :P

it's not that bad when everyone else is using a controller too.

Aim assist.

Fair enough. It's not the best analogy, but it's not far off. Luxury and sports cars are better for driving that requires quick maneuvering and fast reactions. If we were to equate controllers to other cars, there are vans and buses. Not ultimately as accurate in movement, but they can carry a lot more people...like consoles. :P

EDIT: And yes, I agree: They both have pros and cons. I tried playing the Batman: Arkham Asylum demo with KB/M. It was...interesting. Definitely prefer a controller for that type of game though. I do have to ask where preference lies for TPSs. I can't imagine playing Uncharted with a KB/M.

Ryan_Som