How can anyone play shooters on a controller?

I am getting BF3 next week on the PS3 (and the PC), but I will be mostly playing the PS3 version until my PC is fixed. I've never played an FPS game on a console, but I have tried FPS demos on consoles at Best Buy and Target.

Analog sticks are an imprecise and sloppy way of controlling crossairs in a game. Coming from a mouse and keyboard, how can anyone deal with this level of imprecision? Fortunately, everyone will be similarly handicapped in multiplayer, so hopefully it won't be too bad.

This is my biggest gripe about console gaming, and I would love it if mouse and keyboard become officially supported ways of controlling input in console games, but I doubt Sony or Microsoft would allow that.

But oh well. I will be playing BF3 on PS3 until Ivy Bridge launches next year so that I can replace this busted motherboard and sell the CPU/RAM. So I will just to deal with it...

The_Capitalist

the only way they could make the game easier to play would to be put it on a touchscreen and just have people fall over dead when you touch them.

plus moving a mouse around and clicking makes it feel like i'm using a spreadsheet not playing a game.

For a kb/m player to play on a controller is quite easy actually. For the opposite, it takes alot of getting used to.

It's called skill. Using keyboard and mouse is practically cheating. Might as well be using a wii mote.Miketheman83

It's called getting used to a control scheme, practically cheating my ass, ever heard of competitive gaming?

It's called skill. Using keyboard and mouse is practically cheating. Might as well be using a wii mote.Miketheman83

It's called skill. Using keyboard and mouse is practically cheating. Might as well be using a wii mote.Miketheman83

All console games have build in aim bots yet using the mouse is cheating? Only the PC allows you to aim yourself console games are automatic.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]It's called skill. Using keyboard and mouse is practically cheating. Might as well be using a wii mote.tenaka2

All console games have build in aim bots yet using the mouse is cheating? Only the PC allows you to aim yourself console games are automatic.

No, aim assist is to assist, M/KB is still easier to aim.SaltyMeatballs

Just like walking with your legs chained is harder than walking with your legs free.

Look, I prefer controllers for puzzle games, racing games, or fighting games, where a controller offers enough precision.

But I would love to see greater mouse and keyboard support in FPS games on the console. Pity it's only Unreal Tournament 3 which offers this capability.

this is an aim bot+ wall hack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJQqJd9jKF8

cant say i consider aim assist an aim bot

How aim assist affect you... Basically what I got from that is that the aim assist, is more like a sticky aim, and the cross hair will stick to them for a second or 2. But if the target is moving its not going to lock on them, and you still need to aim before this aim assist ever happens. So this aim bot logic is completely fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJNCi159imM

Controllers will never be as accurate and fast as the mouse & keyboard, but as long as it's a level playing field (only controllers allowed on consoles) I don't see a problem. I also find using a controller to be more comfortable.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]It's called skill. Using keyboard and mouse is practically cheating. Might as well be using a wii mote.SaltyMeatballs

All console games have build in aim bots yet using the mouse is cheating? Only the PC allows you to aim yourself console games are automatic.

Give a PC gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play Modern Warfare or Halo on a console and he will destroy enemies.

Give a console gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play a PC shooter (with a KB/M) and I can assure you he will not do so well.

[QUOTE="sickcrack"]Aim assist,huge hit boxes and whatnot.they might as well play the game for you.mouse is the king in fps.its not a preference thing,its a universal truthalmasdeathchild

It's only "imprecise and sloppy" if you suck at using the controller. chaoz-king

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

All console games have build in aim bots yet using the mouse is cheating? Only the PC allows you to aim yourself console games are automatic.

Eggimannd

Give a PC gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play Modern Warfare or Halo on a console and he will destroy enemies.

Give a console gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play a PC shooter (with a KB/M) and I can assure you he will not do so well.

Give a PC gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play Modern Warfare or Halo on a console and he will destroy enemies.

Give a console gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play a PC shooter (with a KB/M) and I can assure you he will not do so well.Eggimannd

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] No, aim assist is to assist, M/KB is still easier to aim.SaltyMeatballs

Give a PC gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play Modern Warfare or Halo on a console and he will destroy enemies.

Give a console gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play a PC shooter (with a KB/M) and I can assure you he will not do so well.

They already did this, ages ago, the PC gamers destroyed the console guys.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Such BS. You know what will be interesting though is CS GO, which will have cross platform play between PS3/PC but no aim assist on for PS3 (controller).tenaka2

They already did this, ages ago, the PC gamers destroyed the console guys.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Such BS. You know what will be interesting though is CS GO, which will have cross platform play between PS3/PC but no aim assist on for PS3 (controller).cain006

They already did this, ages ago, the PC gamers destroyed the console guys.

Why would they use mice? According to most of the posters in this thread, controllers are easier and better.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

They already did this, ages ago, the PC gamers destroyed the console guys.

tenaka2

Why would they use mice? According to most of the posters in this thread, controllers are easier and better.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] No, aim assist is to assist, M/KB is still easier to aim.SaltyMeatballs

Give a PC gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play Modern Warfare or Halo on a console and he will destroy enemies.

Give a console gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play a PC shooter (with a KB/M) and I can assure you he will not do so well.

Already happened.

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/713/article/microsoft-aborted-cross-platform-online-gaming-project/

Console gamers got destroyed and the project was cancelled.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

Give a PC gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play Modern Warfare or Halo on a console and he will destroy enemies.

Give a console gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play a PC shooter (with a KB/M) and I can assure you he will not do so well.cain006

People who play PC fps are used to a huge skill gap due to a KB/M not having a skill ceiling.

People who play console shooters are not used to that making the transition to doing good on a pc shooter a lot harder.

Someone who is good at Modern Warfare/Halo on consoles won't necesarilly do good at counter-strike.

100% sure someone who is good at counter-strike will do fairly well at Modern Warfare/Halo.

Huge hit boxes and auto aim/aim assist.

It's called turn the sensitivity up. I always play on about the max sensitivity possible for FPS games on consoles and I have no problem aiming very fast and accurately and turning quickly on people. It all depends on what you're used to. COD easily has the best, most smooth console FPS aiming though. There's not a whole lot of games that are nearly as good, so I guess it all depends on the game.Messiahbolical-

I get 3 KD ratios (sometimes) on Black Ops and I still think the game is unprecise as hell in comparison to KB/M.

(eggimannd is my gamertag in case you're calling BS)

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

Give a PC gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play Modern Warfare or Halo on a console and he will destroy enemies.

Give a console gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play a PC shooter (with a KB/M) and I can assure you he will not do so well.

Eggimannd

Already happened.

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/713/article/microsoft-aborted-cross-platform-online-gaming-project/

Console gamers got destroyed and the project was cancelled.

I think it maters what games they played.... I dont think the games they played were ever mentioned. K/m is better for FPS simply because of the precision aim, but it all comes down to how good the player is at such game. As I'm sure a good PC player will be able to adapt to a controler, and do well, and vice versa of course. Like I think a game like gears of war 3 could work well in a cross platform game between PC and console player.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

Give a PC gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play Modern Warfare or Halo on a console and he will destroy enemies.

Give a console gamer that is good at FPS 1 month to play a PC shooter (with a KB/M) and I can assure you he will not do so well.Eggimannd

People who play PC fps are used to a huge skill gap due to a KB/M not having a skill ceiling.

People who play console shooters are not used to that making the transition to doing good on a pc shooter a lot harder.

Someone who is good at Modern Warfare/Halo on consoles won't necesarilly do good at counter-strike.

100% sure someone who is good at counter-strike will do fairly well at Modern Warfare/Halo.

Shooters on consoles are awesome! Some people can't play with a controller, some can't play with mouse and keyboard (including me).

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="cain006"]That's not true at all. Maybe if you took someone who plays Quake all the time or something, but it's not like people who play pc games are just inherently better.

Messiahbolical-

People who play PC fps are used to a huge skill gap due to a KB/M not having a skill ceiling.

People who play console shooters are not used to that making the transition to doing good on a pc shooter a lot harder.

Someone who is good at Modern Warfare/Halo on consoles won't necesarilly do good at counter-strike.

100% sure someone who is good at counter-strike will do fairly well at Modern Warfare/Halo.

I never said PC gamers are naturally better. Nor did I say a console gamer can't get good at PC shooters overtime. Just that it is easier for a PC gamers to adapt to console shooters than it is for a console gamer of equal relative skill to adapt to a PC shooter.

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]It's called turn the sensitivity up. I always play on about the max sensitivity possible for FPS games on consoles and I have no problem aiming very fast and accurately and turning quickly on people. It all depends on what you're used to. COD easily has the best, most smooth console FPS aiming though. There's not a whole lot of games that are nearly as good, so I guess it all depends on the game.Eggimannd

I get 3 KD ratios (sometimes) on Black Ops and I still think the game is unprecise as hell in comparison to KB/M.

(eggimannd is my gamertag in case you're calling BS)

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Such BS. You know what will be interesting though is CS GO, which will have cross platform play between PS3/PC but no aim assist on for PS3 (controller).GTSaiyanjin2

Already happened.

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/713/article/microsoft-aborted-cross-platform-online-gaming-project/

Console gamers got destroyed and the project was cancelled.

I think it maters what games they played.... I dont think the games they played were ever mentioned. K/m is better for FPS simply because of the precision aim, but it all comes down to how good the player is at such game. As I'm sure a good PC player will be able to adapt to a controler, and do well, and vice versa of course. Like I think a game like gears of war 3 could work well in a cross platform game between PC and console player.

Dunno it might just be me but I have a hard time seeing a good modern warfare player adapt to CS as well as a CS player adapt to modern warfare.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]It's called turn the sensitivity up. I always play on about the max sensitivity possible for FPS games on consoles and I have no problem aiming very fast and accurately and turning quickly on people. It all depends on what you're used to. COD easily has the best, most smooth console FPS aiming though. There's not a whole lot of games that are nearly as good, so I guess it all depends on the game.Messiahbolical-

I get 3 KD ratios (sometimes) on Black Ops and I still think the game is unprecise as hell in comparison to KB/M.

(eggimannd is my gamertag in case you're calling BS)

I guess it really more depends on how the game is made. I'm sure a console player who's good at modern warfare on console will easily adapt to modern warfare on PC with kb/m. I'm thinking more of games like CS/Quake/UT

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="cain006"]That's not true at all. Maybe if you took someone who plays Quake all the time or something, but it's not like people who play pc games are just inherently better.

Messiahbolical-

People who play PC fps are used to a huge skill gap due to a KB/M not having a skill ceiling.

People who play console shooters are not used to that making the transition to doing good on a pc shooter a lot harder.

Someone who is good at Modern Warfare/Halo on consoles won't necesarilly do good at counter-strike.

100% sure someone who is good at counter-strike will do fairly well at Modern Warfare/Halo.

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

People who play PC fps are used to a huge skill gap due to a KB/M not having a skill ceiling.

People who play console shooters are not used to that making the transition to doing good on a pc shooter a lot harder.

Someone who is good at Modern Warfare/Halo on consoles won't necesarilly do good at counter-strike.

100% sure someone who is good at counter-strike will do fairly well at Modern Warfare/Halo.

GTSaiyanjin2

Because mouse+keyboard completley ruin the immersion of shooters imo.

can't beat the m/k for rts though.

That's fine, but as someone who's gotten as large as 59 K/D ratios on Black Ops I don't really have a problem with it. I'm not saying it's as precise as a mouse, especially at low sensitivities, and controllers definitely take much longer to get really good with on consoles, but if you're really used to it then you can do almost just as well as you can with a KB/M but not nearly as much on games like Unreal Tournament or Quake where people are moving ridiculously fast and flying through the air. But on more regular-speed games like COD, Halo, Killzone, Battlefield, etc the controls are fine.Messiahbolical-

Usually i just put it in my hand.. i guess.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

No they don't. This must be something PC gamers tell themselves, and each other, to feel 1337.

Ravensmash

Oh I didn't realise perhaps you could list some console shooters without aim assist and auto lock on features?

Add the KZ series this gen to that list.

PC gamers need to get off their high horse, and mostly because 99% of the "truths" they hold onto are either no longer true, or never were.

PC games have a ton of their own problems between driver issues, fragmented communities, the absolute turd that is a keyboard for a game controller.

[QUOTE="RGDT021"]

It takes much more skill, finess and coordination to be good with a controller... any fool can aim with a mouse.

lawlessx

You can turn it off in option, it is there only because of PC gamers with no control skill should be able to play consoles....

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Oh I didn't realise perhaps you could list some console shooters without aim assist and auto lock on features?

Pug-Nasty

Add the KZ series this gen to that list.

PC gamers need to get off their high horse, and mostly because 99% of the "truths" they hold onto are either no longer true, or never were.

PC games have a ton of their own problems between driver issues, fragmented communities, the absolute turd that is a keyboard for a game controller.

PC gamers need to get off their high horse, and mostly because 99% of the "truths" they hold onto are either no longer true, or never were.

PC games have a ton of their own problems between driver issues, fragmented communities, the absolute turd that is a keyboard for a game controller.

Pug-Nasty

All anyone could read here is you belittling PC gamers because of your insecurity. Everything you wrote is close to disinformation, so that kind of gave it away.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Such BS. You know what will be interesting though is CS GO, which will have cross platform play between PS3/PC but no aim assist on for PS3 (controller).cain006

They already did this, ages ago, the PC gamers destroyed the console guys.

And which platform has the community that has been playing counterstrike longer to the point where they can head shot someone 0.5 seconds after they come around the corner?

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Gears of War series, BFBC2 allows the player to turn off aim assist in both SP and MP, same with BF3 beta, Crysis 1, CS:GO (upcoming), Deus Ex has the option also. That's just off the top of my tired head.Ravensmash

Add the KZ series this gen to that list.

PC gamers need to get off their high horse, and mostly because 99% of the "truths" they hold onto are either no longer true, or never were.

PC games have a ton of their own problems between driver issues, fragmented communities, the absolute turd that is a keyboard for a game controller.

You must try to move with the arrow keys or something. Try a MS natural keyboard and use the WASD configuration. It's really smooth and it's easy. I prefer a controller for any games involving driving, but GTA is playable with a keyboard.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Add the KZ series this gen to that list.

PC gamers need to get off their high horse, and mostly because 99% of the "truths" they hold onto are either no longer true, or never were.

PC games have a ton of their own problems between driver issues, fragmented communities, the absolute turd that is a keyboard for a game controller.

menes777

You must try to move with the arrow keys or something. Try a MS natural keyboard and use the WASD configuration. It's really smooth and it's easy. I prefer a controller for any games involving driving, but GTA is playable with a keyboard.