DMC demo went up today.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="1PMrFister"] I've never played a DMC game before this, and even if I did, it still doesn't change the fact that what I witnessed in the demo did nothing for me. I'll be sticking to Bayonetta 2 whenever that gets released.1PMrFister

*Cough* Shinobi *cough*

why they couldn't make the the dash jump by simply keep the jump button pressed down and double jump by tapping? There are so many ways to simplify this mess but NT went and gave every action its own button and the worst combinations of buttons ever. Even the launcher has its own button now ala MvC3!

Why do I have to keep holding down the trigger buttons for the demon and angel weapons instead of just tapping it once? Who the hell plays any game with 2 fingers on top? This makes it almost impossible to do an evade maneuverr while having an angel or demon weapon equiped.

And why, and I really want to know why the game has 2 different buttons for evade maneuver?

Seriously, did the Dualshock didn't have enough buttons for NT? This game has more button combinations than any fighting game or FPS that I have ever played. :o

why they couldn't make the the dash jump by simply keep the jump button pressed down and double jump by tapping? There are so many ways to simplify this mess but NT went and gave every action its own button and the worst combinations of buttons ever. Even the launcher has its own button now ala MvC3!

Why do I have to keep holding down the trigger buttons for the demon and angel weapons instead of just tapping it once? Who the hell plays any game with 2 fingers on top? This makes it almost impossible to do an evade maneuverr while having an angel or demon weapon equiped.

And why, and I really want to know why the game has 2 different buttons for evade maneuver?

Seriously, did the Dualshock didn't have enough buttons for NT? This game has more button combinations than any fighting game or FPS that I have ever played. :o

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

It absolutely did not......

GD1551

Hmmm...maybe not, but it was on par with DMC3 arguably the best action game last gen.

The best action game last gen with ninja gaiden, if you wanted style oriented combat DMC3 would be it. Even beyond that, DMC4 still trumps bayonetta in that regard.

[QUOTE="1PMrFister"][QUOTE="dreman999"] Well anything you compare to Bayonetta will of course be sluggish.Gxgear

*Cough* Shinobi *cough*

Played it, liked it :D. Artstyle and visuals are both fantastic imo. Combat has a lot of potential (hard to judge by a short tutorial level and part of a boss fight). Most moves are available in a single (double) button press (L2/R2 + face button to get additional moves). You can manipulate your enemies in typical ways by launching, pulling them towards you, pulling yourself towards them, juggle them and so on. All moves feel great imo. This is clearly way above the combat Ninja Theory has made before.

The thing I didn't like was that there were too many cutscenes disrupting the flow. Take for example when you enter the church via a cutscene. You run forward litereay two meters and another cutscene starts. You make a handful of jumps and then another cutscene. This is true for all the platforming sequences in the demo. I want to be in the action rather than watching it. If I'm going to jump through a window I want to be in control while it happens, not watch it from an outside camera. I wonder if this type of modern design is a result of the limited RAM. That they have to use frequent cut-scenes to hide the loading times.

Sushiglutton

Just beat it.

My god, the controls are so unintuitive its ridiculous. Having to constantly hold down LT and RT to attack is so clunky and annoying. However I did like the platforming though, much better than DMC4.

Stringerboy

why they couldn't make the the dash jump by simply keep the jump button pressed down and double jump by tapping? There are so many ways to simplify this mess but NT went and gave every action its own button and the worst combinations of buttons ever. Even the launcher has its own button now ala MvC3!

Why do I have to keep holding down the trigger buttons for the demon and angel weapons instead of just tapping it once? Who the hell plays any game with 2 fingers on top? This makes it almost impossible to do an evade maneuverr while having an angel or demon weapon equiped.

And why, and I really want to know why the game has 2 different buttons for evade maneuver?

Seriously, did the Dualshock didn't have enough buttons for NT? This game has more button combinations than any fighting game or FPS that I have ever played. :o

Gue1

It's bad, but not for the reasons you're saying.

You're being really stupid about this. The air dash being HOLD DOWN X would mean you can't do it whenever you want. Which would be silly. There would have to be a delay for it, and the double jump would have to be read on the negative edge of the button. No reason for that.

Holding down the buttons is how you switch between equipped weapons. Pressing Left or Right on the D-pad will change the weapons you have equipped. Up for the guns. You can potentially have a ton of weapons at one time. And since you can only use one of the angel/demon weapons at a time, use the other finger for the dodge.

It doesn't actually have that many button combinations, you're just full of ****.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Hmmm...maybe not, but it was on par with DMC3 arguably the best action game last gen.

dreman999

The best action game last gen with ninja gaiden, if you wanted style oriented combat DMC3 would be it. Even beyond that, DMC4 still trumps bayonetta in that regard.

So being more cheesy than DMC 3 and 4 suddenly makes it have better style oriented combat?

I think it was prettty good. Can't believe they put in such an easy boss. You basically only had to jump to evade her attacks. Even for a first boss that's lousy in my opinion.LustForSoul

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]I think it was prettty good. Can't believe they put in such an easy boss. You basically only had to jump to evade her attacks. Even for a first boss that's lousy in my opinion.Sushiglutton

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]That's not how you spell Ninja Gaiden Black.jg4xchamp

Pardon my need to correct you, but you seem to have misspelled Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition. No worries, my dear chap, everyone makes spelling mistakes from time to time.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Pardon my need to correct you, but you seem to have misspelled Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition. No worries, my dear chap, everyone makes spelling mistakes from time to time.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Pardon my need to correct you, but you seem to have misspelled Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition. No worries, my dear chap, everyone makes spelling mistakes from time to time.

DarkLink77

Well....it's harder. I'll give it that.

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="LustForSoul"]I think it was prettty good. Can't believe they put in such an easy boss. You basically only had to jump to evade her attacks. Even for a first boss that's lousy in my opinion.LustForSoul

I disagree. I actually beat Berial first time when I played DMC4 on normal while I died in the Secret Ingrediant once on Hard. Yes, it wasnt a hard boss fight but usually the 1st boss fight is not that hard. I didnt consider the previous DMC bsides DMC3 much harder then this, honestly. But then again, I was somehow reckless in my DmC playthrough. I'll beat it again in Son of Sparda and judge it properly

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Pardon my need to correct you, but you seem to have misspelled Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition. No worries, my dear chap, everyone makes spelling mistakes from time to time.

DarkLink77

No. As much as I love NG games (well, besides 3 offcourse), just... no

Harder =/= better

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

The best action game last gen with ninja gaiden, if you wanted style oriented combat DMC3 would be it. Even beyond that, DMC4 still trumps bayonetta in that regard.

GD1551

So being more cheesy than DMC 3 and 4 suddenly makes it have better style oriented combat?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] That game didn't have sh1t on NGB, custom combos or not. Vatusus

No. As much as I love NG games (well, besides 3 offcourse), just... no

Harder =/= better

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] That game didn't have sh1t on NGB, custom combos or not. Vatusus

No. As much as I love NG games (well, besides 3 offcourse), just... no

Harder =/= better

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] ^This. Let's not even pretend here. NGB is a better game than DMC3 from top to bottom.DarkLink77

No. As much as I love NG games (well, besides 3 offcourse), just... no

Harder =/= better

I disagree with both of you but ok, I can respect your opinions. imo DMC3 is still the best Hack'n'Slash game around. I played all the games from all the main series and nothing even comes close to DMC3 (and DMC4 if we're talking only about Dante) combat. Bayonetta was close but it lacked something, not quite sure what. Ninja Gaiden is the fastest HnS around I give ya that but the cheapness and lack of style (style as in looking good) are huge turn offs for me. NG has more precise, tactical combat while DMC requires more expertise to get flowing and stylish combos. It says something when I get wowed by "Combo Mad" videos on yt about DMC 3/4 when NG videos do nothing for me. But its personal preference

but the cheapness

Vatusus

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"] You road a motorcycle up a rocket while it was shooting out into space in Bayonetta. Bayonetta>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DMC 3 and 4.jg4xchamp

So being more cheesy than DMC 3 and 4 suddenly makes it have better style oriented combat?

Imo alot of executional depth was taken out in bayonetta --> DMC because of the amount of air options in bayonetta. Jump cancelling isn't even necessary in bayo.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

So being more cheesy than DMC 3 and 4 suddenly makes it have better style oriented combat?

GD1551

Imo alot of executional depth was taken out in bayonetta --> DMC because of the amount of air options in bayonetta. Jump cancelling isn't even necessary in bayo.

I don't see how a battle system having too many options makes it worse. It's not like it's bloated or something. The issue is that they couldn't do what DMC does. It uses the same mentality for enemies, punching bags until you start running up the scoreboard and then they get aggressive to knock you off SS/platinum. Game needed more aggressive enemies besides the durgas, the dogs, and all that jazz. It was too DMC in that area, and not enough Bayonetta. The actual battle system is fantastic. The game was also, albeit a little too easy given the high bar set for difficulty in the genre. jg4xchamp

I meant that I felt alot of combos were simply too easy to do. Also I agree about the punching bag statement, that's why I prefer NG above all, NG has balances its gameplay between offense and defense.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

I don't see how a battle system having too many options makes it worse. It's not like it's bloated or something. The issue is that they couldn't do what DMC does. It uses the same mentality for enemies, punching bags until you start running up the scoreboard and then they get aggressive to knock you off SS/platinum. Game needed more aggressive enemies besides the durgas, the dogs, and all that jazz. It was too DMC in that area, and not enough Bayonetta. The actual battle system is fantastic. The game was also, albeit a little too easy given the high bar set for difficulty in the genre. GD1551

I meant that I felt alot of combos were simply too easy to do. Also I agree about the punching bag statement, that's why I prefer NG above all, NG has balances its gameplay between offense and defense.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Pardon my need to correct you, but you seem to have misspelled Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition. No worries, my dear chap, everyone makes spelling mistakes from time to time.

DarkLink77

Except for the fact it leaves everything to be desired when it comes to presentation. Just couldn't get into it.

Yeah, and its a far more visceral experience. When NG2 was clicking on all cylinders there isn't a game in the genre that could match that level of satisfaction you get from killing things. It's marvelous. jg4xchamp

NG2 was a terrible game.

Well, Sigma 2 was. Don't know what is terribly too different between them besides the staircase part being changed.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] That game didn't have sh1t on NGB, custom combos or not. NaveedLife

Except for the fact it leaves everything to be desired when it comes to presentation. Just couldn't get into it.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] That game didn't have sh1t on NGB, custom combos or not. NaveedLife

Except for the fact it leaves everything to be desired when it comes to presentation. Just couldn't get into it.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Yeah, and its a far more visceral experience. When NG2 was clicking on all cylinders there isn't a game in the genre that could match that level of satisfaction you get from killing things. It's marvelous. OneSanitarium

NG2 was a terrible game.

Well, Sigma 2 was. Don't know what is terribly too different between them besides the staircase part being changed.

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Yeah, and its a far more visceral experience. When NG2 was clicking on all cylinders there isn't a game in the genre that could match that level of satisfaction you get from killing things. It's marvelous. jg4xchamp

NG2 was a terrible game.

Well, Sigma 2 was. Don't know what is terribly too different between them besides the staircase part being changed.

The enemies were easy non stop, and i'm pretty sure 90% of all encounters were some form of 2-3 normal ninja and 1 spider ninja.

The combat had no feeling of satisfaction, nor did it actually feel visceral (which isn't what makes a game good). It just felt bland and boring.

It had a nice selection of weapons, but it's not fun to fight any of the enemies. It's silly that you're trying to argue HEY MAN IT SURE FELT GOOD KILLING THEM ENEMIES IN THIS GAMES.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

NG2 was a terrible game.

Well, Sigma 2 was. Don't know what is terribly too different between them besides the staircase part being changed.

OneSanitarium

The enemies were easy non stop, and i'm pretty sure 90% of all encounters were some form of 2-3 normal ninja and 1 spider ninja.

The combat had no feeling of satisfaction, nor did it actually feel visceral (which isn't what makes a game good). It just felt bland and boring.

It had a nice selection of weapons, but it's not fun to fight any of the enemies. It's silly that you're trying to argue HEY MAN IT SURE FELT GOOD KILLING THEM ENEMIES IN THIS GAMES.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] ^This. Let's not even pretend here. NGB is a better game than DMC3 from top to bottom.jg4xchamp

Except for the fact it leaves everything to be desired when it comes to presentation. Just couldn't get into it.

I though GoW 1 had a great story and was a great homage to ancient greek literature. Way better then 99% of trash stories you see in gaming anyway. But GoW2 and 3 kinda ruined what GoW1 managed to achieve story wise.

I'll play it so I have some more basis to go off of when I bash it

BPoole96

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] ^This. Let's not even pretend here. NGB is a better game than DMC3 from top to bottom.jg4xchamp

Except for the fact it leaves everything to be desired when it comes to presentation. Just couldn't get into it.

I just like A STORY. An adventure feel. It is why I like God of War and could not get into NGS. I have not played enough of DMC games (playes some 1, 2, and seen some of 3) to judge, but the presentation is far more enjoyable to me than NGS, though not as interesting and adventure like as GoW. GoW doesn't have a great story (after 2 ruined it), but it does have a well done one that is interesting enough.

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] It's a poorly balanced game with terrible level design. On a pure combat standpoint and weapons standpoint? Please DMC and Bayonetta can't live up to that same feeling you get with killing a person in NG2. It's far more brutal and satisfying. jg4xchamp

The enemies were easy non stop, and i'm pretty sure 90% of all encounters were some form of 2-3 normal ninja and 1 spider ninja.

The combat had no feeling of satisfaction, nor did it actually feel visceral (which isn't what makes a game good). It just felt bland and boring.

It had a nice selection of weapons, but it's not fun to fight any of the enemies. It's silly that you're trying to argue HEY MAN IT SURE FELT GOOD KILLING THEM ENEMIES IN THIS GAMES.

NG1s combat felt good. I'm just saying that NG2 is just straight up ass as a whole. You keep saying really silly things.

So how's everybody's score in this demo? It looks like nobody on the entire interweb has achieved SSS rank on Son of Sparda difficulty for the first mission on the demo.

This is the best I have done

Style Points:177, 846= SS Rank

Time: 12:24= A rank

Completion: 100%= SSS Rank

Overall: S Rank

Has anybody done better here?

P.S. I am so going to preorder this game and buy it day one! It feels a lot different than the other DMC games, but who cares? It's really fun for what it is.

I'll get to it eventually, since I'm curious. I'm expecting awfulness though, after Enslaved.

Thefatness16

Your sig. It's perfect.

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

It absolutely did not......

Gue1

Hmmm...maybe not, but it was on par with DMC3 arguably the best action game last gen.

best action game of last gen was God of War.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

I don't see how a battle system having too many options makes it worse. It's not like it's bloated or something. The issue is that they couldn't do what DMC does. It uses the same mentality for enemies, punching bags until you start running up the scoreboard and then they get aggressive to knock you off SS/platinum. Game needed more aggressive enemies besides the durgas, the dogs, and all that jazz. It was too DMC in that area, and not enough Bayonetta. The actual battle system is fantastic. The game was also, albeit a little too easy given the high bar set for difficulty in the genre. jg4xchamp

I meant that I felt alot of combos were simply too easy to do. Also I agree about the punching bag statement, that's why I prefer NG above all, NG has balances its gameplay between offense and defense.

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Hmmm...maybe not, but it was on par with DMC3 arguably the best action game last gen.

rjdofu

best action game of last gen was God of War.

and Devil May Cry, Devil May Cry 3, Devil May Cry 4, and even this demo of DmC.

Just got done with the demo.

Gonna buy. I'd give it an 8.

So simple, yet tons of chances to experiement. Plus its only a demo.

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] ^This. Let's not even pretend here. NGB is a better game than DMC3 from top to bottom.jg4xchamp

No. As much as I love NG games (well, besides 3 offcourse), just... no

Harder =/= better

In other words, it's designed for p*ssies. In DMC3: Dantes Awakening you're thrown into a steel cage with no escape and you gotta fight for your life to survive. It's the man's choice, much like Keystone beer.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

No. As much as I love NG games (well, besides 3 offcourse), just... no

Harder =/= better

Master_ShakeXXX

In other words, it's designed for p*ssies. In DMC3: Dantes Awakening you're thrown into a steel cage with no escape and you gotta fight for your life to survive. It's the man's choice, much like Keystone beer.

Actualy,you're wrong he's right.

Difficulty DOESN'T mean better game.

Not all games have to be pretty damn hard,you know.

And def. not as hard as DMC3 was.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Pardon my need to correct you, but you seem to have misspelled Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition. No worries, my dear chap, everyone makes spelling mistakes from time to time.

DarkLink77

At least it kept me playing no matter what, unlike DMC3.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="1PMrFister"] Yeah, Bayonetta did set a new standard for fast and fluid style-oriented combat.dreman999

*Cough* Shinobi *cough*

I could ask you the same, Bayonetta merely refined the DMC formula.