Dark Souls VS. The Witcher 2

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[QUOTE="pcps360"] lol never played it and yet you tried to comment, no TW2 is nowhere as hard as DS nor as funpcps360

I´ve been watching Josh´s playthrough of Dark Souls on Justintv and if I didn´t knew better,I thought he was playing Demon´s Souls.

I liked the Witcher 2 more. In terms of which is actually the better game that's harder to say. They both do what they do very well, though they do quite different things. The Witcher 2 is a very good story told fantastically with solid combat and very good writing. Dark Souls has no real story to speak of but that isn't the point. It's an extremely punishing, extremely well made dungeon crawler that does anything but hold your hand. It's really up to personal preference I'd say, though Dark Souls' framerate issues can be a pain.

[QUOTE="pcps360"][QUOTE="Arach666"] I didn´t tried,I actually did,I played Demon´s Souls and that´s more than enough for me to know that it´s oh so similar to Dark Souls.

Arach666

I´ve been watching Josh´s playthrough of Dark Souls on Justintv and if I didn´t knew better,I thought he was playing Demon´s Souls.

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[QUOTE="pcps360"] oh interesting, so, I played TW1, dull as hell, but I should know TW2 is duller because they are so similar even though I never TW2. Best logic in the world pcps360

I´ve been watching Josh´s playthrough of Dark Souls on Justintv and if I didn´t knew better,I thought he was playing Demon´s Souls.

Gameplay: Dark Souls (by a million times over)

Story: Witcher 2

Non linearity: Dark Souls

NPCs: Tie

Towns: Witcher 2

Dialogs: Witcher 2

Atmosphere: Dark Souls

Challenge: Dark Souls

Fun factor: Dark Souls

Level Design: Dark Souls

Freedom: Dark Souls

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I would say Dark Souls is a far better game in most ways, Witcher 2 is a great game though and has its own perks

Both are on my xbox 360, so who cares what is best anyway ?

Dark souls has fantastic boss design and some fantastic art design. The lack of any significant story (which it isn't meant to have) whilst refreshing, sometimes left things a little disjointed.

The Witcher 2 wins out for me (and I have yet to complete it). The world is fantastic, along with the art design, and Geralt is up there as one of the better protagonists this gen, personally.

lundy86_4

The only reason whitcher 2 wins of dark souls for me is pretty much the story also. Imo any rpg needs a story. Dark souls is more of an MMO, where its mostly just fighting and getting better equips/spells etc, with some story to fill in the gaps. Not that its a bad thing, I just prefer the whole cutscenes and epic storylines.

if an rpg doesnt have a story...then what is it? an action game...sooo if ur comparing it by rpg standards...then the witcher 2...if by action game standards...dark souls...but for me...the witcher 2 wins hands down...good combat that gets tough on higher difficulties...good story...engaging characters...dark viceral world...and no clear cut right or wrong choices...i personally have loved the whole series...even before they were games

Depends. If you want roleplaying, strong characters and really well told story, than Witcher 2

If you're interested mostly in mechanical side of experience.then Dark Soul.

Personally I think Witcher 2 is much better RPG (not to mention ith as a lot better production values), which one is better game depends on your own taste.

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[QUOTE="pcps360"] oh interesting, so, I played TW1, dull as hell, but I should know TW2 is duller because they are so similar even though I never TW2. Best logic in the world pcps360

I´ve been watching Josh´s playthrough of Dark Souls on Justintv and if I didn´t knew better,I thought he was playing Demon´s Souls.

How would you know how Demon's Soul is? It wasn't on the 360 and we all know your feelings towards other platforms ;) Still haven't gotten over Fable 3 flopping eh? Or KUF II getting cancelled on the 360? I prefer Demon's Soul to Dark Souls and I think the Witcher 2 is a better "RPG" than both.

The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

Darth_Kane

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

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The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

loosingENDS

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

Why do people keep saying dark souls gameplay is exciting? It's not. It's engaging but I don't really get excited playing it, NG and Bayonetta are exciting games. Also there's no depth in dark soul's combat, stop saying that. The depth comes from the amount of gear options available to you allowing you to handle situations completely differently.

The Witcher 2 right now.

Until they fix the crappy P2P server system that inhabits Dark Souls, my opinion will not change.

I just beat the Bed of Chaos in Dark Souls and I only have the final boss left, and I barely have been summoned or summoned anyone else the entire game. The multiplayer is completely broken, especially since I live in Minnesota yet I keep being put into games with people in Japan. That should not be an issue. I should not be connecting with more people in Japan than in the US when I'm in the US itself. Especially when it takes 15+ minutes to be summoned or invade a world only to be put in a bad latency server because it's across the world.

The combat is better in Dark Souls, but honestly, it's not by much. I thoroughly enjoyed the combat in The Witcher 2, and I rarely felt those tedious moments like I did in Dark Souls with Blight town, Lost Izalith, etc.

So on that note, the story, characters, graphics, basically everything else in TW2 is better than Dark Souls. Once they fix the multiplayer(if they ever fix the mp) in Dark Souls, then maybe I'll make a second comparison.

The Witcher 2 right now. Until they fix the crappy P2P server system that inhabits Dark Souls, my opinion will not change. I just beat the Bed of Chaos in Dark Souls and I only have the final boss left, and I barely have been summoned or summoned anyone else the entire game. The multiplayer is completely broken, especially since I live in Minnesota yet I keep being put into games with people in Japan. That should not be an issue. I should not be connecting with more people in Japan than in the US when I'm in the US itself. The combat is better in Dark Souls, but honestly, it's not by much. I thoroughly enjoyed the combat in The Witcher 2, and I rarely felt those tedious moments like I did in Dark Souls with Blight town, Lost Izalith, etc. So on that note, the story, characters, graphics, basically everything else in TW2 is better than Dark Souls. Once they fix the multiplayer(if they ever fix the mp) in Dark Souls, then maybe I'll make a second comparison.DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]The Witcher 2 right now. Until they fix the crappy P2P server system that inhabits Dark Souls, my opinion will not change. I just beat the Bed of Chaos in Dark Souls and I only have the final boss left, and I barely have been summoned or summoned anyone else the entire game. The multiplayer is completely broken, especially since I live in Minnesota yet I keep being put into games with people in Japan. That should not be an issue. I should not be connecting with more people in Japan than in the US when I'm in the US itself. The combat is better in Dark Souls, but honestly, it's not by much. I thoroughly enjoyed the combat in The Witcher 2, and I rarely felt those tedious moments like I did in Dark Souls with Blight town, Lost Izalith, etc. So on that note, the story, characters, graphics, basically everything else in TW2 is better than Dark Souls. Once they fix the multiplayer(if they ever fix the mp) in Dark Souls, then maybe I'll make a second comparison.ducati101

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The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

loosingENDS

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

DS is more of a hack n slash it doesn't have a plot/story.

Witcher 2 has a lot more depth and feels more like an RPG then Demon Souls does.

[QUOTE="illmatic87"]Neither. Dragon Age 2 rips them both.DragonfireXZ95

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combatloosingENDS

Dark souls has fantastic boss design and some fantastic art design. The lack of any significant story (which it isn't meant to have) whilst refreshing, sometimes left things a little disjointed.

The Witcher 2 wins out for me (and I have yet to complete it). The world is fantastic, along with the art design, and Geralt is up there as one of the better protagonists this gen, personally.

lundy86_4

I agree with everything you said. I'm on my second playthrough of the witcher 2 and I have to say it interests me more becasue of Geralt and story and the world they have created.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="illmatic87"]Neither. Dragon Age 2 rips them both.ducati101

Actually I'm gonna back this up. Dragon Age II is a good game. It doesn't deserve this flak its getting for some reason, so what, they reused some enviroment designs. The combat was pretty much the same but speed up, the characters were interesting, I liked having the main character voiced, the story they used was interesting and I dunno why everyone loves to hate on it.

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The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

GD1551

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

Why do people keep saying dark souls gameplay is exciting? It's not. It's engaging but I don't really get excited playing it, NG and Bayonetta are exciting games. Also there's no depth in dark soul's combat, stop saying that. The depth comes from the amount of gear options available to you allowing you to handle situations completely differently.

I find the fact that you have to roll, prepare for a fight ( if it's a tought one ) having a stat system and weapon and armor upgrade system with elements to play around with bonuses...... I find all of that to give the character more customization into fighting the way you want in a fight ( with all the different weapons of all sizes ). It's exciting because your character is a bit fragile and the fights are fast. Making a mistake or 2 will cause you to die and that's where the excitement comes from. You don't even know much about Dark Souls or even Demon Souls to be saying that. I bet you say pokemon is like one of the most simple games where you only capture pokemons level them up and battle other trainers and friends.

Different games folks. But I laughed when some dude claimed dark souls and witcher 2 are tied when it comes down to npcs. ARe you feaking kidding me? I mean I enjoyed dark souls but that game's "npcs" were a joke compared to...........even diablo.

Different games folks. But I laughed when some dude claimed dark souls and witcher 2 are tied when it comes down to npcs. ARe you feaking kidding me? I mean I enjoyed dark souls but that game's "npcs" were a joke compared to...........even diablo.

omenodebander

Lol,

The first dude (and a lot others) you find in Lordran -in the english version -reminds me of this guy:

Different games folks. But I laughed when some dude claimed dark souls and witcher 2 are tied when it comes down to npcs. ARe you feaking kidding me? I mean I enjoyed dark souls but that game's "npcs" were a joke compared to...........even diablo.

omenodebander

While NPCs in Witcher 2 have better dialogs etc, in Dark SOuls can all be killed and are way more interactive overall

So, a tie, though Dark SOuls way is the true RPG way, full freedom to do anything with NPCs

DS is more of a hack n slash it doesn't have a plot/story.

Witcher 2 has a lot more depth and feels more like an RPG then Demon Souls does.

tenaka2

Actually i feel the exact opposite, Witcher 2 feels linear and limited, everything seems very scripted and the hero is taken by the hand all the time, with scripted "choices" and cut scenes

Witcher 2 feels more like a JRPG, where you finish linear stages and move on, it definatly feels very very limited in RPG depth, games and RPGs are not movies where the hero does only what the developers want, in DS i can really role play than play the scripted role the developer wants me to

Dark Souls contains 100s of hours of gameplay and is one of the most rewarding games ever. Witcher 2 is 20 hours long. Dark Souls is better. It's not even close.Master_ShakeXXX

FF13 is like a bazillion hours long of gameplay and is one of the most rewarding games ever, so it is better than Dark souls and Witcher 2.

They are nothing alike. you cant compare them at all.

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The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

loosingENDS

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]Dark Souls contains 100s of hours of gameplay and is one of the most rewarding games ever. Witcher 2 is 20 hours long. Dark Souls is better. It's not even close.GD1551

FF13 is like a bazillion hours long of gameplay and is one of the most rewarding games ever, so it is better than Dark souls and Witcher 2.

So, a tie, though Dark SOuls way is the true RPG way, full freedom to do anything with NPCs

loosingENDS

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[QUOTE="Darth_Kane"]

The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

Master_ShakeXXX

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

Dark Souls contains 100s of hours of gameplay and is one of the most rewarding games ever. Witcher 2 is 20 hours long. Dark Souls is better. It's not even close.Master_ShakeXXX

demons souls is a lot easier than dark souls... dark souls is less frustrating though thanks to the check point bonfire system :)Yrkoon99

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]Dark Souls contains 100s of hours of gameplay and is one of the most rewarding games ever. Witcher 2 is 20 hours long. Dark Souls is better. It's not even close.GD1551

FF13 is like a bazillion hours long of gameplay and is one of the most rewarding games ever, so it is better than Dark souls and Witcher 2.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"] Well said. If I want a good story, I'll watch a ****in movie. Video games are the last place you go if you're looking for a truly great story populated with memorable characters.AdrianWerner

And the story and execution of it in a game is not of the same quality as a good movie or book.

In games i will go for gameplay, not story, because i play to have fun and depth in gameplay than replace a good book or movie

And Witcher 2 story is not interactive, it is scripted, you cant actually change the story anyway you like, only choose one scripted path which is always the same and cant be changed no matter how you play or what you do

also, the witcher 2 is more like 35-40 hours long. and its easily worth 2 play throughs because depending on the choice you make in the first chapter the 2nd and 3rd chapters are COMPLETELY different.

jettpack

What was so completly different ? They were different, but the major areas etc are still same

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Well said. If I want a good story, I'll watch a ****in movie. Video games are the last place you go if you're looking for a truly great story populated with memorable characters.loosingENDS

And the story and execution of it in a game is not of the same quality as a good movie or book.

In games i will go for gameplay, not story, because i play to have fun and depth in gameplay than replace a good book or movie

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]The story in a movie isn't interactive.

Some-Mist

And the story and execution of it in a game is not of the same quality as a good movie or book.

In games i will go for gameplay, not story, because i play to have fun and depth in gameplay than replace a good book or movie

No, it is not close, you cant replace a book with a few dialog choices

There is a bit of a difference between 10 pages of dialogs and 300 pages of a book

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And the story and execution of it in a game is not of the same quality as a good movie or book.

In games i will go for gameplay, not story, because i play to have fun and depth in gameplay than replace a good book or movie

loosingENDS

No, it is not close, you cant replace a book with a few dialog choices

There is a bit of a difference between 10 pages of dialogs and 300 pages of a book

a movie is typically 5 times shorter than a video game, and often times games (like MGS4 lol) have more storytelling than movies ..in addition to being interactive.

what choices did you make in the witcher 2 and how did your story unravel? did you use your save file from the original witcher game?
keep in mind, I voiced my opinion in this thread and I liked dark souls more...it's just that you souls fanboys often baffle me. almost as biased as it gets.

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[QUOTE="Darth_Kane"]

The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

Master_ShakeXXX

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

No, just no...

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

Cloud567kar

No, just no...

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[QUOTE="Darth_Kane"]

The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

Master_ShakeXXX

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Well said. If I want a good story, I'll watch a ****in movie. Video games are the last place you go if you're looking for a truly great story populated with memorable characters.Master_ShakeXXX

No, just no...

regardless, what's the best story from a game you've played? and what choices did you pick in the witcher 2?

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="Cloud567kar"]

No, just no...

Some-Mist

regardless, what's the best story from a game you've played? and what choices did you pick in the witcher 2?

[QUOTE="Cloud567kar"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Well said. If I want a good story, I'll watch a ****in movie. Video games are the last place you go if you're looking for a truly great story populated with memorable characters.Master_ShakeXXX

No, just no...

of course...but as an interactive story-telling medium it does the job almost flawlessly. Keep in mind, you said it doesn't match the story of a book OR movie.

a movie is typically 5 times shorter than a video game, and often times games (like MGS4 lol) have more storytelling than movies ..in addition to being interactive.

what choices did you make in the witcher 2 and how did your story unravel? did you use your save file from the original witcher game?
keep in mind, I voiced my opinion in this thread and I liked dark souls more...it's just that you souls fanboys often baffle me. almost as biased as it gets.

Some-Mist

While i did like Withcer 2, i just found the gameplay a lot of linear and boring and the world and monster design and combat very basic, so i cant consider it anywhere close to Dark Souls just because of the story and two major choices that change the 3rd chapter a bit

I played it once, so i have only seen the aspect of joining the elves and did not import Withcer 1 saves, i had those erased for a long time

I plan to play the other way on the 360 version, since i played low on my non gaming PC and will look far better on 360, so i am saving the 2ond playthrough for xbox

Nice argument. Film has been around for a century, and the medium has had plenty of time to perfect it's storytelling. Games have only been around for a few decades and haven't even come close to other mediums in the way of storytelling. Saying otherwise is being highly disrespectful to the older mediums and what people have achieved with them over the decades.juno84

It is like that

Book >>>>> movie >>>>>>>>>>>> game

as far as stories go