Chinese Epic engineer on the UE5 demo; Sony is upselling the usefulness of their SSD

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#51 lamprey263
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To be fair, the Chinese are known to be engaging in an ongoing government sponsored shit posting PSYOP campaign on western social media. I would treat anything coming out of that country with skepticism.

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#52  Edited By KazHirai
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@lamprey263 said:

To be fair, the Chinese are known to be engaging in an ongoing government sponsored shit posting PSYOP campaign on western social media. I would treat anything coming out of that country with skepticism.

It's from Epic directly from their Fast Track streams discussing the development of the Unreal Engine.

Bu..bu...but the Chinese commies!

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#53 deactivated-5f3ec00254b0d
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Don't get exactly why this anti China sentiment going in here when this has nothing to do with politics. Should we distrust anything Xbox says because of Trump?

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#54 KazHirai
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@phbz said:

Don't get exactly why this anti China sentiment going in here when this has nothing to do with politics. Should we distrust anything Xbox says because of Trump?

I mean I get the anti-Chinese sentiment, there's reason for it, but this is coming from Epic directly from a series of talks they do in China for University students who want to get into programming and development.

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#55 deactivated-5f3ec00254b0d
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@kazhirai: How the **** is there a reason for distrusting someone because of the nationality of that person? Is there even any reason to expect the Chinese government to have any special interest in discrediting PS5's SSD?

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#56 KazHirai
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@phbz said:

@kazhirai: How the **** is there a reason for distrusting someone because of the nationality of that person? Is there even any reason to expect the Chinese government to have any special interest in discrediting PS5's SSD?

Not the public of course, but the government in general absolutely. That however has no pertinence here.

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#57 ConanTheStoner
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Ha, this thread is going places.

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#58  Edited By FemtoG
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PC gamers on this forum are not very bright.

A 2080 max q will not touch a PS5.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Mobile-Max-Q-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/m704710vs4045

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#59 Pedro
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@kazhirai said:

It's in the OP, you can't be this slow...

"Unreal Engine official live broadcast on May 14"

The video didn't load man. I just got it work with a different browser.

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#60 hardwenzen
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Three tflops less powerful with a fast SSD. That is what a PS5 is. It doing some magic with a storage device is just frustrated and desperate dreams.

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@Random_Matt said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:
@Random_Matt said:

You lot are obsessed, get help.

Hmmm, don't see you saying the same thing in the numerous tormentos threads filled with anti-XSX/PS5 damage control drivel... funny that.

I don't spend half my life on GS like you lot.

DC, you're a sometimes cow and 100% cow sympathizer.

Its no secret that you hate MS/Xbox you fakeboy.

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#62 KazHirai
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It only gets worse

SSD speed like PS5 is helpful, especially those huge scene streaming. Nanite and Virtual Texture is depend on I / O. Do we need such fast SSD so that we can run that demo? In fact if we analyze that, for example at 2K (1440p). Our final goal is that each pixel with one triangle. I assume with two triangle. In fact there are not such many triangles. It means it is MB/S level. It doesn't need such fast SSD like PS5 to run the demo.

You see that? MB/s of data streaming to run that, MEGABYTES, not GIGABYTES...

This SSD nonsense has gotten out of control... I knew the second real talk would come out of the development community light would shine on this whole asinine concept. SSD absolutely makes these things possible, but the level needed to attain it is miniscule in comparison to what the drives are capable of.

Overkill in every sense of the word.

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#63 Fedor
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@femtog said:

PC gamers on this forum are not very bright.

A 2080 max q will not touch a PS5.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Mobile-Max-Q-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/m704710vs4045

Did you really need to make an alt to make this post?

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#64 tormentos
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See Pedro and you say lemmings are happy with the series X.🤣🤣

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#65 KazHirai
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@tormentos said:

See Pedro and you say lemmings are happy with the series X.🤣🤣

Of course they're happy with it, it's coming out from developers with a real time next-generation engine that asset streaming is requiring MB/s of data streaming from the SSD and not GB/s of data vindicating that Microsoft's decision was absolutely the right one.

A drive that is half as fast but far more than is needed which allowed development funds to be diverted into the GPU, CPU and the RAM.

Sony screwed the pooch on this system.

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@fedor: I haven't been on this forum in 5 years and apparently you all needed basic knowledge bestowed upon you.

You have people on this forum that actually think a 2080 max q will beat a PS5 when it can't beat AMD cards that are weaker then the PS5.

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#67 Wizard
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Tim Sweeny is a moron.

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@kazhirai: I think I would wait till you make such claims. All we have seen from the Series X are games that look like higher res PS4/ XB1 games.

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@femtog said:

@kazhirai: I think I would wait till you make such claims. All we have seen from the Series X are games that look like higher res PS4/ XB1 games.

Is that so? You do realize that at the Series X reveal they were the first to showcase Unreal Engine 5, right? Did you forget?

Whoops

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#70  Edited By FemtoG
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@kazhirai: link that it's using UE5?

Also that didn't have 1 second of gameplay.

Regardless we need to address those that actually believe a 2080 max q will beat a PS5. That is absolutely 100% false by all benchmarks.

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#71 tormentos
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@goldenelementxl:

Yeah because that doesn't happen on PC which is why with each new GPU selling you a new feature you have to wait several more to get decent performance,I mean PC gamers payed more than $1,200 dollars for a 2080ti with ray tracing capabilities only for having to jump into the 3080 to get a better shot at 60FPS and 4k.

In fact the state of PC is horrible,a top of the line GPU on 2005 when the 360 launched was $550 dollars the price now is more than double of that,while console have manage to deliver something good at a good price.

Is not only Console gamer who fall for the hype at least on consoles you don't get so screw up price wise.

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#72 FemtoG
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@wizard: Tim Sweeney is a moron??? Really?

What game engines have you developed?

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@femtog said:

@kazhirai: link that it's using UE5?

Also that didn't have 1 second of gameplay.

Regardless we need to address those that actually believe a 2080 max q will beat a PS5. That is absolutely 100% false by all benchmarks.

Of course it's Unreal Engine 5, they just didn't announce it as such.

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#74 tormentos
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@pc_rocks:

Didn't see you cry when the 2080ti dropped to 1080p to run 60FPS in certain game with ray tracing..

$1,200 GPU drops to 1080p... Damn the PS5 will be fine.

My point is simple you downplaying this is lol worthy when PC is passing the same with ray tracing,hard hitting effects have an impact that is all.

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@femtog said:

@fedor: I haven't been on this forum in 5 years and apparently you all needed basic knowledge bestowed upon you.

You have people on this forum that actually think a 2080 max q will beat a PS5 when it can't beat AMD cards that are weaker then the PS5.

There's like 1-2 people in this thread that made that claim, what we need to address the fact that you're an alt and lying about being away for 5 years. Lets start with why you were banned, how did that happen?

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@kazhirai: Even if it was it was running at 3840x1608 and 24fps. That's about unplayable.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.eurogamer.net/amp/digitalfoundry-2019-senuas-saga-hellblade-2-trailer-analysis

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#77 tormentos
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@kazhirai:

If you were happy with it you would not be so invested in making the gap seem big.

By the way what laptop he used that would run that at 1440p 40fps. lol

I think the top laptop out there doesn't even beat the 5700xt.

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#78  Edited By FemtoG
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@fedor: I was never banned and I'm not lying. You seem to have gotten extremely offended by basic facts apparently.

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#79  Edited By KazHirai
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@tormentos said:

@kazhirai:

If you were happy with it you would not be so invested in making the gap seem big.

By the way what laptop he used that would run that at 1440p 40fps. lol

I think the top laptop out there doesn't even beat the 5700xt.

I'm more than happy with it, I just love watching delusional people like you who think magic exists squeal.

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#80 FemtoG
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@pc_rocks said:

Jensen Huang wasn't wrong when he said these notebooks are powerful than next-gen consoles.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Mobile-Max-Q-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/m704710vs4045

I would say he was wrong.

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#81 Fedor
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@femtog said:

@fedor: I was never banned and I'm not lying. You seem to have gotten extremely offended by basic facts apparently.

I'm not sure how I'm offended, I never made the claim that apparently has you inflamed. I'm just laughing at you for making an alt for an innocuous post that triggered you.

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#82 Juub1990
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How the heck is it this slow? The PS5's GPU I mean.

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@femtog said:

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Mobile-Max-Q-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/m704710vs4045

I would say he was wrong.

Refer to the post just above. I assume something else is at play because I don't believe the GPU in the PS5 will be that slow.

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@Pedro said:
@sakaixx said:

China

Owns Epic.

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#86 FemtoG
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@fedor said:
@femtog said:

@fedor: I was never banned and I'm not lying. You seem to have gotten extremely offended by basic facts apparently.

I'm not sure how I'm offended, I never made the claim that apparently has you inflamed. I'm just laughing at you for making an alt for an innocuous post that triggered you.

No you ran in screaming at me calling me an alt and a liar when all I did was present a basic fact. Regardless I don't care . Im glad I could set the record straight and you can call a mod in here to check my IP address to see if it matches any banned accounts.

good day!

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@Telekill said:

Pretty sure anyone believing any info from China (regardless of what it pertains to) these days is not using their head.

Tencent, a Chinese company owns 40% of Epic by the way.

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@femtog: I think it's pretty clear you care. Have a good one.

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@phbz said:

Don't get exactly why this anti China sentiment going in here when this has nothing to do with politics. Should we distrust anything Xbox says because of Trump?

Phil Spencer's the Donald Trump of the industry and Team Xbox are the MAGA bunch of the console world.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@phbz said:

Don't get exactly why this anti China sentiment going in here when this has nothing to do with politics. Should we distrust anything Xbox says because of Trump?

Phil Spencer's the Donald Trump of the industry and Team Xbox are the MAGA bunch of the console world.

We keep winning?

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@phbz said:

Don't get exactly why this anti China sentiment going in here when this has nothing to do with politics. Should we distrust anything Xbox says because of Trump?

Phil Spencer's the Donald Trump of the industry and Team Xbox are the MAGA bunch of the console world.

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@kazhirai said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

Phil Spencer's the Donald Trump of the industry and Team Xbox are the MAGA bunch of the console world.

We keep winning?

You ain't won shit but overpromises and chaos. If that were the case you wouldn't have to be trying so hard to convince yourself that Microsoft's next box is worth buying when most of the world has moved on. It's gonna be the same bullshit of last gen while sitting in your comfortable third place spot. We always hear about hardware from this company and no great games worth buying. There's a reason they're not gaining ground in this industry.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@kazhirai said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

Phil Spencer's the Donald Trump of the industry and Team Xbox are the MAGA bunch of the console world.

We keep winning?

You ain't won shit but overpromises and chaos. If that were the case you wouldn't have to be trying so hard to convince yourself that Microsoft's next box is worth buying when most of the world has moved on. It's gonna be the same bullshit of last gen while sitting in your comfortable third place spot. We always hear about hardware from this company and no great games worth buying. There's a reason they're not gaining ground in this industry.

I'm sorry, you said Phil was Donald and we're the MAGA crew, so we're winning.

Can't take it back, RIP you.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@phbz said:

Don't get exactly why this anti China sentiment going in here when this has nothing to do with politics. Should we distrust anything Xbox says because of Trump?

Phil Spencer's the Donald Trump of the industry and Team Xbox are the MAGA bunch of the console world.

What a stupid ass statement..lol.

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@kazhirai said:

I'm sorry, you said Phil was Donald and we're the MAGA crew, so we're winning.

Can't take it back, RIP you.

RIP the next Xbox. Most of the reason nobody wants to touch Xbox consoles is because of the idiot culture that surrounds it. Xbox dudes remain the most miserable people in gaming. Who wants to be stuck depending on a platform where we're always hearing about what's coming, and when it arrives, it's no big fucking deal?

Nobody wants a fucking power lecture from you. XSX is still gonna be shitting out 30fps on AAA games, par for the damn course. And first party is gonna be a wreck because they still have to develop for last gen for the first two years. Nobody's gonna be jealous of that shit. XSX is a fucking console when it's all said and done, just like PS5. And their strategy is already off to a bad start.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@kazhirai said:

I'm sorry, you said Phil was Donald and we're the MAGA crew, so we're winning.

Can't take it back, RIP you.

RIP the next Xbox. Most of the reason nobody wants to touch Xbox consoles is because of the idiot culture that surrounds it. Xbox dudes remain the most miserable people in gaming. Who wants to be stuck depending on a platform where we're always hearing about what's coming, and when it arrives, it's no big fucking deal?

Nobody wants a fucking power lecture from you. XSX is still gonna be shitting out 30fps on AAA games, par for the damn course. And first party is gonna be a wreck because they still have to develop for last gen for the first two years. Nobody's gonna be jealous of that shit. XSX is a fucking console when it's all said and done, just like PS5. And their strategy is already off to a bad start.

Miserable people? You're writing paragraphs that no one cares about lol, you're miserable.

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@dagubot said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

Phil Spencer's the Donald Trump of the industry and Team Xbox are the MAGA bunch of the console world.

What a stupid ass statement..lol.

If Phil told you fuckers to inject yourselves with Lysol to win the console war I swear half of you would do it. 🤣

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#98 BenjaminBanklin
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@kazhirai said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

RIP the next Xbox. Most of the reason nobody wants to touch Xbox consoles is because of the idiot culture that surrounds it. Xbox dudes remain the most miserable people in gaming. Who wants to be stuck depending on a platform where we're always hearing about what's coming, and when it arrives, it's no big fucking deal?

Nobody wants a fucking power lecture from you. XSX is still gonna be shitting out 30fps on AAA games, par for the damn course. And first party is gonna be a wreck because they still have to develop for last gen for the first two years. Nobody's gonna be jealous of that shit. XSX is a fucking console when it's all said and done, just like PS5. And their strategy is already off to a bad start.

Miserable people? You're writing paragraphs that no one cares about lol, you're miserable.

A nu-nu-nu-nu-nu. I don't want to hear your dribble. You know who was a winner? Kaz Fucking Hirai. Who brought out yet ANOTHER PS console that slapped Xbox in the mouth. He went out on top, and you're wearing his brand as a reminder of how much of a hurtin' he put on the Xbox brand. Giving away first party games brand new really has to sting.

It's the reason Uncle Phil has to keep whining for more money to waste on Xbox, and he's still not getting any results. That man couldn't win a game of poker with five aces.

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@kazhirai said:
@daredevils2k said:

I gotta love fan boys who know so much about a console that no one really knows anything about it .

Yeah and an Epic engineer just shit on your entire magic SSD nonsense, how does it feel?

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Benji's having a meltdown over Phil Spencer AGAIN lol.