Chinese Epic engineer on the UE5 demo; Sony is upselling the usefulness of their SSD

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#1 KazHirai
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UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40

Epic China engineers’ interview, if you know Chinese you can confirm it by yourself.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1kK411W7fK

  • 53:00, he said his notebook could run at 1440p 40fps+, optimization target is 60fps for next-gen.
  • 2:08:00, SSD bandwidth (for the flying part) isn’t as that high as ppl said, not need a stricted spec SSD (decent SSD is ok).
  • Someone at TGFCer forum said, the engineer just confirmed to him: RTX 2080 GPU notebook but forgot the exact SSD model, maybe 970 EVO Plus. (http://club.tgfcer.com/thread-8307013-7-1.html 94th post)

Shocking I tell you!

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It was obviously just some PR BS Tim had to say because of the PS5 marketing deal.

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Jensen Huang wasn't wrong when he said these notebooks are powerful than next-gen consoles.

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#4  Edited By KazHirai
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@rmpumper said:

It was obviously just some PR BS Tim had to say because of the PS5 marketing deal.

Well it's not even that alone, it's just the whole thought behind it. SSD's were a requirement for this generation without a doubt, but both what Microsoft and Sony put in their machines are already overkill for anything that could be thrown at the system.

Sony made the mistake of pushing it too far, there's no need for an SSD that fast when it comes with the understanding that there's no benefit in game or engine design and its only miniscule advantageous use is loading. The money they put into that SSD could have gone to making the machine more powerful, a better CPU, a better GPU, better RAM etc..

@pc_rocks said:

Jensen Huang wasn't wrong when he said these notebooks are powerful than next-gen consoles.

Console*

Don't lump the Series X in with the PlayStation 5 as if they have the same power envelope, they don't.

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@pc_rocks: To be fair the demo was locked to 30fps.

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@Juub1990 said:

@pc_rocks: To be fair the demo was locked to 30fps.

It was locked to 30 FPS but it was 1440p with dynamic resolution..

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#8 deactivated-642321fb121ca
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You lot are obsessed, get help.

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#9 Fedor
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This information should have been obvious to everyone from go.

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@fedor said:

This information should have been obvious to everyone from go.

Oh it's been obvious to many people, some people just need reminders.

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#11  Edited By PC_Rocks
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@kazhirai said:

@pc_rocks said:

Jensen Huang wasn't wrong when he said these notebooks are powerful than next-gen consoles.

Console*

Don't lump the Series X in with the PlayStation 5 as if they have the same power envelope, they don't.

We haven't seen the RT performance of XSX yet. Hell we haven't yet seen the traditional raster performance. He might still be right.

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#12  Edited By PC_Rocks
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@Juub1990 said:

@pc_rocks: To be fair the demo was locked to 30fps.

But the resolution wasn't. It was dynamic up to 1440p. So pretty sure, it wouldn't have gone above it.

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@pc_rocks said:
@kazhirai said:
@pc_rocks said:

Jensen Huang wasn't wrong when he said these notebooks are powerful than next-gen consoles.

Console*

Don't lump the Series X in with the PlayStation 5 as if they have the same power envelope, they don't.

We haven't seen the RT performance of XSX yet. Hell we haven't yet seen the traditional raster performance. He might still be right.

We already know he's not right, that Gears 5 two week port that wasn't optimized with settings pushed beyond even the PC's maximum settings was running at the same performance profile of a DESKTOP RTX 2080.

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@kazhirai said:
@pc_rocks said:
@kazhirai said:
@pc_rocks said:

Jensen Huang wasn't wrong when he said these notebooks are powerful than next-gen consoles.

Console*

Don't lump the Series X in with the PlayStation 5 as if they have the same power envelope, they don't.

We haven't seen the RT performance of XSX yet. Hell we haven't yet seen the traditional raster performance. He might still be right.

We already know he's not right, that Gears 5 two week port that wasn't optimized with settings pushed beyond even the PC's maximum settings was running at the same performance profile of a DESKTOP RTX 2080.

Gears 5 wasn't even the most demanding game on PC. It's the same with Forza. Just because they had the same maximum ceiling doesn't mean PC's can't be pushed further but that they held it back. Also, that was a controlled slice for PR. We don't have any third party benchmarks.

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#15  Edited By Juub1990
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@kazhirai said:

We already know he's not right, that Gears 5 two week port that wasn't optimized with settings pushed beyond even the PC's maximum settings was running at the same performance profile of a DESKTOP RTX 2080.

@pc_rocks said:

Gears 5 wasn't even the most demanding game on PC. It's the same with Forza. Just because they had the same maximum ceiling doesn't mean PC's can't be pushed further but that they held it back. Also, that was a controlled slice for PR. We don't have any third party benchmarks.

No and that's a common misconception. The benchmark they ran was equivalent to PC Ultra preset and performed slightly worse than a 2080. The version with settings exceeding PC ultra was not the one used for the benchmark.

@pc_rocks said:

But the resolution wasn't. It was dynamic up to 1440p. So pretty sure, it wouldn't have gone above it.

Hadn't considered that. Maybe they capped res to 1440p too? Not sure honestly.

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@Juub1990 said:
@kazhirai said:

We already know he's not right, that Gears 5 two week port that wasn't optimized with settings pushed beyond even the PC's maximum settings was running at the same performance profile of a DESKTOP RTX 2080.

@pc_rocks said:

Gears 5 wasn't even the most demanding game on PC. It's the same with Forza. Just because they had the same maximum ceiling doesn't mean PC's can't be pushed further but that they held it back. Also, that was a controlled slice for PR. We don't have any third party benchmarks.

No and that's a common misconception. The benchmark they ran was equivalent to PC settings and performed slightly worse than a 2080. The version with settings exceeding PC ultra was not the one used for the benchmark.

Source

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#17 Juub1990
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@kazhirai said:

Source

The very DF video about it.

Source

"For the benchmark we just ran at full Ultra mode." "With none of those extra settings like I said".

People just read the article about the SX and missed this clear difference in the full DF breakdown. It performed a bit worse than a 2080 at Ultra. Not at Ultra+.

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#18  Edited By BassMan
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@pc_rocks said:
@Juub1990 said:

@pc_rocks: To be fair the demo was locked to 30fps.

But the resolution wasn't. It was dynamic up to 1440p. So pretty sure, it wouldn't have gone above it.

The main talking point is the SSD which would have no influence on the frame rate unless it was unable to load assets in time. It would have the same impact at 30fps as it would at 120fps.

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@Juub1990 said:
@kazhirai said:

Source

The very DF video about it.

Source

"For the benchmark we just ran at full Ultra mode." "With none of those extra settings like I said".

People just read the article about the SX and missed this clear difference in the full DF breakdown. It performed a bit worse than a 2080 at Ultra. Not at Ultra+.

Well even in that case it's a 2 week unoptimized port, also they didn't say it performed worse than a 2080, they said the CPU side of things was a little bit less because of the huge disparity in hardware.

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#20  Edited By daredevils2k
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I gotta love fan boys who know so much about a console that no one really knows nothing about .

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@daredevils2k said:

I gotta love fan boys who know so much about a console that no one really knows anything about it .

Yeah and an Epic engineer just shit on your entire magic SSD nonsense, how does it feel?

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#22  Edited By Juub1990
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@kazhirai said:

Well even in that case it's a 2 week unoptimized port, also they didn't say it performed worse than a 2080, they said the CPU side of things was a little bit less because of the huge disparity in hardware.

They straight up said it performed nearly as well and that PC has slight advantages like a beefier CPU but as you can see with the results, it's 99.7% GPU bound. Swapping the CPU's would produce no appreciable differences.

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#23  Edited By Telekill
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Pretty sure anyone believing any info from China (regardless of what it pertains to) these days is not using their head.

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But how can it move triangles with the game moving? Only Sony's SSD can do that!

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#25  Edited By deactivated-63d2876fd4204
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Buzzwords and overhype work on console gamers 100% of the time. Why stop now?

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#26 Juub1990
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@Telekill said:

Pretty sure anyone believing any info from China (regardless of what it pertains to) these days is not using their head.

Someone mad their platform of choice isn't as powerful as they'd hoped it'd be.

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@Telekill said:

Pretty sure anyone believing any info from China (regardless of what it pertains to) these days is not using their head.

From an Epic engineer? Ok random guy on the internet lol...

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#28 Telekill
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@Juub1990: Actually, after seeing the Unreal 5 demo, I'm pretty happy with what PS5 will be able to do. I skipped the mid-gen upgrades so I actually get a generational leap.

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#29  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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@Random_Matt said:

You lot are obsessed, get help.

Hmmm, don't see you saying the same thing in the numerous tormentos threads filled with anti-XSX/PS5 damage control drivel... funny that.

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@hrt_rulz01 said:
@Random_Matt said:

You lot are obsessed, get help.

Hmmm, don't see you saying the same thing in the numerous tormentos threads filled with anti-XSX/PS5 damage control drivel... funny that.

I don't spend half my life on GS like you lot.

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#31  Edited By PC_Rocks
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@Juub1990 said:

Hadn't considered that. Maybe they capped res to 1440p too? Not sure honestly.

May be, may be not. But we do know that demo dropped the resolution in some instances, that means the demo can't run above 30 FPS or 1440p. I have no doubt in my mind that if they tried to increase the fidelity or actual AI/Physics or frame rate we would be looking at sub 1080p.

@BassMan said:

The main talking point is the SSD which would have no influence on the frame rate unless it was unable to load assets in time. It would have the same impact at 30fps as it would at 120fps.

I was talking about the GPU and to the lesser extent CPU performance in regards to Jensen's claim.

@Telekill said:

Pretty sure anyone believing any info from China (regardless of what it pertains to) these days is not using their head.

Just like I predicted in the other thread. Just wait for cows excuses and DC about being a Chinese source.

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@pc_rocks: China is pretty much on the world's s**t list dude. What do you expect?

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@Telekill: Don't see what they'd gain by lying there lol.

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@kazhirai: Is there another source to verify this claim?

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@Juub1990: They probably just want attention like many on the internet.

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@Pedro said:

@kazhirai: Is there another source to verify this claim?

Nope. It's already made the rounds on major gaming/graphics sites. resetera, neogaf, beyond3d and a few others.

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This was a demo, showing two of their newest tech at maximum. If the PS5 is running this at 30fps 1440p upscaled. The XsX will do the same, with maybe a few more pixels. But tone some of the features down, mix in baked lighting, use less triangles, both will hit 4k@60fps. But, like I said before, new tech and shiny graphics will be prioritised on consoles compared to high framerates.

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#39  Edited By KazHirai
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@Pedro said:

@kazhirai: Is there another source to verify this claim?

It's not a claim, it's a statement from an engineer at Epic and the translation has already been verified by bilingual speakers.

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Can't believe a epic engineer went against his own brand. He must really hate Sweeny and the lies he told for money.

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#41  Edited By Juub1990
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@greygoose12 said:

Can't believe a epic engineer went against his own brand. He must really hate Sweeny and the lies he told for money.

Seems NDA has been lifted because Sweeny has been quite chatty since yesterday.

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So Jensen Huang was right about about the RTX 2080 Max Q being more powerful than next gen consoles well at least more powerful than the PS5. I wonder how well the demo would perform on a SATA SSD like the Samsung EVO/QVO 860.

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#43  Edited By Pedro
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@Juub1990 said:

Nope. It's already made the rounds on major gaming/graphics sites. resetera, neogaf, beyond3d and a few others.

Same here. Couldn't find anything.

@kazhirai said:

It's not a claim, it's a statement from an engineer at Epic and the translation has already been verified by bilingual speakers.

I mostly saw just threads on the topic. I will wait for something official. Until then, this just Internet mummering.

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China

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#45 Pedro
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@sakaixx said:

China

Owns Epic.

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@Pedro said:

@kazhirai said:

It's not a claim, it's a statement from an engineer at Epic and the translation has already been verified by bilingual speakers.

I mostly saw just threads on the topic. I will wait for something official. Until then, this just Internet mummering.

It is official, the **** you smoking dawg?

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@Random_Matt said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:
@Random_Matt said:

You lot are obsessed, get help.

Hmmm, don't see you saying the same thing in the numerous tormentos threads filled with anti-XSX/PS5 damage control drivel... funny that.

I don't spend half my life on GS like you lot.

Lol, I spend as much time on here as you do :)

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#48 Pedro
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@kazhirai said:

It is official, the **** you smoking dawg?

If its official, then provide an official link you smoking dawg.

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#49  Edited By KazHirai
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@Pedro said:
@kazhirai said:

It is official, the **** you smoking dawg?

If its official, then provide an official link you smoking dawg.

It's in the OP, you can't be this slow...

"Unreal Engine official live broadcast on May 14"

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#50 PC_Rocks
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@Pedro said:
@sakaixx said:

China

Owns Epic.

Indeed they do.