BLOPS IIII Performs Best On PS4 Pro: Details Inside

@mowgly1: So let me get this right. When you say "never", you mean that they sometimes used 4k without mentioning "dynamic" on the advertisements, and when you said "For 2 years now", you meant apart from the times that I pointed out, which were this year...and the the year before.

Just trying to understand what you were trying to say. You spoke about the announcement, which was 2 years...and a month ago. Because we know Sony hasn't stuck exclusively to the "Dynamic" claim for the last 2 years, are you claiming that they did for the 30 days after the announcement?

That would make sense.

Finally.

Dude the first company to describe 4k as dynamic,checkerboard and 2160p was MS with the xbox one X.

That was established already.

Sony used the word dynamic and then used 4k only just as MS did.

MS even on its page clarified what 4k mean for them.

@tormentos: Actually, I'm not denying that. I'm debating with someone who claims that Sony has "Never" advertised the pro as a 4k console, and "For the last 2 years" has ONLY used "Dynamic 4k" when advertising.

Both companies have used terms and fuzzy terms for their consoles. When someone starts calling people fanboys because they pointed out that Sony also bend the truth, they end up looking like fanboys themselves.

When did they first do this?

I tell you not to go there because you don't have to look as stupid as other people do.

I am sure he is making fun of lemmings,1 frame means nothing and is clear the xbox one X version is superior,just like the PS4 version was in some games even that it dropped a frame more than the xbox one version.

Look at it this way at least sony is saying dynamic,and not like MS did with the 360 first claiming all games would be 720p minimum with 4XAA,to deliver on launch sub 720p games.

Or like the xbox one were they claimed all games would be 1080p as output trying to pass upscaling as native.

Cows still killing themselves and praying no patch exists.

My god you can take the fact that the PS4 beat the X1X even by a frame.

Is pathetic so you are officially begging for a patch to fix the 1 frame advantage..Hahahaa

My god and you pretended for 4 years that you didn't care..lol

@SecretPolice said:

Hahaha... Looks like it's time for another sale... Get'em now before they're all gone....

TC get's an additional 20% off when mentioning Doc SP, and boy do we all know you need a few tubes of this magical cure. lolol :P

Quick question, where's that 4k and 60FPS from your picture? The game seems to run worse than the PS4P version and still doesn't run at 4k, weird.

There's PS4 Pro videos on Youtube that are 2 years old that advertise it using words such as 'Dynamic' and saying resolution varies between software.

The disclaimer in the adverts clearly say 'resolution varies by software'

So what this thread has done has just completely blown away your bull shit 'Sony advertisements said it's 4k' argument....... And the 2 screens you do have were taken ages ago and you can even say for sure said adverts have a disclaimer or not.

So on the football picture where it says Dynamic 4k gaming, it follows it up with a disclaimer. Show me the video or the same applies and it is you talking sh1t.

No..no...no dear boy.....YOU posted the shot..... so you PROVE it doesn't say dynamic later on as it goes around the pitch.

YOU are the one who for ages now have used these 'advert's as a way to bash Sony and Pro.

YOU are the one who can't provide concrete evidence for YOUR claims other then, for all we know some cherry picked photo's.

I on the other hand HAVE provided evidence of the adverts saying a disclaimer, I can even link you to the video if you like?

It is YOU who can't even provide video evidence of these adverts you claim don't say dynamic.....

So no, YOU are the one who's been talking shit and you've been rekd by myself, a few others and yourself.

I post a picture claiming one thing (no dynamic) you ask for the video.

Someone else posts a picture claiming another thing (dynamic gaming) and I cant ask for the video.

Makes loads of sense that, I'm all for a debate and even to be wrong. But the rules you guys are applying have to apply to all pictures posted.

I'm not that someone else am I?

So ask me for the video I used to make my screenshot....not the video someone else used for their screen shot.

How would I have the video that someone else has........

Just to remind you of what you said....

I've provided evidence from a Pro advert that they clearly state in the disclaimer that resolution varies between software.

I can even show you an advert that been's on YouTube for 2 years that say's that.

You on the other hand can not provide a single fucking video to prove your claim other then a cherry picked shot (And you can't prove it's not cherry picked without the video)

And also i referred to someone who said that Sony only advertised Pro as a 4k gaming machine. Which isn't true. In the last 2 years, Sony NEVER claimed Pro as a 4k gaming machine. Which is true. On their own conference ( so, before launch ) they started to advertise Pro as a Dynamic 4k. Launch trailer also advertised Pro as a 4k dynamic gaming. Unlike MS WHO STARTED TO ADVERTISE Xbonex EVEN before launch as a TRUE 4K machine ( which ISN'T ).

I cant produce a video I don't have and your not the only one involved in this forum thread. I said that football video and someone else cos I couldn't be arsed looking.

Congrats on producing a video to show they advertise as dynamic gaming. Doesn't mean they always did. Companies manipulate the facts all the time and that includes Sony.

Microsoft did it with true gaming, Sony done it omitting dynamic or not explaining it. Both companies allowed devs to claim 4k without explanation. Its not hard to grasp, on balance I'd say MS done it more this gen.

And you are defeated by yourself.... so in future don't go claiming and spouting shit about Sony's Pro adverts you can't back up.

That's that finally cleared up.

Obviously not capable of decent conversation or see what is staring you in the face.

That's that finally cleared up.

@mowgly1: You're living in Moo Moo Cow fantasy again.

Let's look at your claim; "i referred to someone who said that Sony only advertised Pro as a 4k gaming machine."

Now let's look at what he actually said; "Sony want you to think its 4k by the adverts."

Then this gem "In the last 2 years, Sony NEVER claimed Pro as a 4k gaming machine. " .....and yet I posted a screenshot from a CL game where the advert says "PS4 pro...4k gaming" which was barely two weeks old, never mind two years.

You've basically rekd yourself. Again.

@SchnabbleTab said:

@SecretPolice said:

Hahaha... Looks like it's time for another sale... Get'em now before they're all gone....

TC get's an additional 20% off when mentioning Doc SP, and boy do we all know you need a few tubes of this magical cure. lolol :P

Quick question, where's that 4k and 60FPS from your picture? The game seems to run worse than the PS4P version and still doesn't run at 4k, weird.

No problem, Doc SP is here to help. Quick answer.. FM7 4K 60 fps. You're welcome.

Now then, how many tubes of Doc SP's miracle salve for you? You've got a severe case so I'd recommend a bakers dozen just for good measure. lolol :P

So would the average gamer know what MS' True 4K means? What does that imply? It implies Native 4K. and they put it on everything. But you know what? They too have a disclaimer. True 4K includes native, dynamic and checkerboard. MS uses True 4K as a clever play on words to make the average gamer believe its a 4k console.

We should sue both companies for false advertising. We'd be rich!

Seriously. Understanding English is key here. Dynamic 4K gaming. 4K is a resolution. If you don't know what 4K means, then that's on you. Like I said, 4K = resolution. Dynamic 4K = Dynamic Resolution. The term Dynamic 4K gaming = Dynamic resolution gaming. Stop trying to spin this while giving MS a pass. It's pretty hypocritical.

MS did it first and both have done it.

https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/396066138875912192?lang=en

Yeah MS did now quote sony saying all games will be 1080p on PS4.

Trying to pass upscale as native.

Can I see the video of that?

@scatteh316: Video of what? Him getting rekt?

MS was the one using constantly the terms True 4k and uncompromised 4k, not Sony. Sony has been much more honest this gen than MS.

LOL. Rekt yourself.....Surely! So, i was right. You posted a basically new screenshot, yet i said in last two years, so, since Pro conference ( September ), Sony NEVER advertise Pro as 4k gaming machine. Well, there it is. What happened in last two weeks because i didn't watched Champions League...who cares.

Damn THE PRO launched a year earlier and $100 cheaper and still looks best.

Sony has the best engineers.

Thank you Sony

@APiranhaAteMyVa: It runs this game better, but the resolution and some settings are worse.

I'm not giving MS a pass, true 4k shouldn't have been used and I haven't seen it used recently.

Its ok to use the term Dynamic 4k gaming for a game that doesn't hit 4k ever??

They both as bad as each other.

@tormentos we where talking about PS4 Pro/Xbox One X, my question was related to them.

but as you are implying Microsoft misleading, I'll just leave this with you

https://www.wired.com/2008/05/misleading-ps3/

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/03/19/playstation-3-refund-owners-settlement/

@mowgly1: Mowgly, I have no idea where you come from, and I'm guessing English isn't your first language, but I can assure you that something that happened 2 weeks ago can also be described as something that happened in the last two years.

Also, saying "Who cares" when someone proves you wrong means you're not worth wasting energy on.

We are talking about lying about native resolution which both companies did.

Again sony did advertise the machine as dynamic first MS was the one before the Pro even release claiming scorpio would be a 4k native 60FPS no compromise console.

Second the first link is not about resolutions at all,and have to do with the number of PS2 games working.

The second link is not even false advertising at all in 2006 when the console had other OS you could install it,the sue was because sony took out the feature.

And 3rd nice spin the examples i gave all are related resolution not to irrelevant things.

June 2016. The Pro wasn't even freaking out,in fact sony didn't touch the Pro on that E3.

MS not only advertised the platform as 4k 60FPS WITHOUT COMPROMISES,they hyped allot of crap like ""fully uncompress pixels"" what the FU** is that?

""This are the highest quality pixels anyone has seen"".

""True 4k gaming""

The Pro wasn't even advertise until like a week or 2 before launch.

So who started with the whole TRUE 4k crap only to fail miserably yeah MS did.

And yet I only see you complaining about this coming from Sony, when they're actually more honest sounding with their term and their disclaimers.

No, English isn't my native language. But anyway....

Sony never advertised Pro other than dynamic 4k since Pro conference in last two years. So, till September this year and i was right. What happened 2 weeks ago is 2 years and 1 month, LIKE YOU SAID. So, what happened since beginning of October this year, who cares.

Back to the PS4 Pro vs X1X Blops 4 discussion, this video tells a different story than DF's:

People claiming 1 frame or less simply didn't see the video.

The driving section alone send the X version into the low 50's high 40's while the Pro is 60FPS most of the time and drop to 55 56 tops for very short time.

Extrapolating the difference by adding frames is a joke,average will never represent reality,because in some instances it would be good but on other drops way below 60,and the end result be affected by the amount of high frames,so while driving you will not get 58FPS it will drop well below that.

I see some optimization down the line fixing that. They just released an update claiming to fix “stuttering” issues, I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

Either of you 2 see the advert for RDR2 on the PS4 Pro in the UK. Claiming it to be 4k, with the disclaimer saying output is 2160p (which correct me if I'm wrong is 4k).

I didn't lie about the video supporting the image I put, there is no point. I have this video but it will be pointless if RDR2 is 4k on PS4 Pro. Happy to wait till Friday but if its not 4k Sony is the latest to mislead its gamers.

You mean this one?

No it ends with blue screen and something along the lines of play in 4k and at the bottom it says output is in 2160p. Which could be true but I'd heard it wasn't going to be 4k on PS4 Pro.

4K output doesn't mean native 4K. Xbox One S has a 4K output. It's upscaled. And every time I see 4K output, either by MS or Sony, there's a disclaimer about it. This is an old tactic going back to the early PS3/X360 days where the output was 1080p but games were actually 720p. No one was sued.

@Zero_epyon: this was the image and only caption. If it's not native 4k then it's misleading. Only I was saying was all companies do it. It verbally says play in 4k on ps4 pro. No dynamic and nothing about upscaled.

The XB1X version has Slightly lower FPS at twice the resolution and you think the Pro version Performs better??

@tdkmillsy said:

@Zero_epyon: this was the image and only caption. If it's not native 4k then it's misleading. Only I was saying was all companies do it. It verbally says play in 4k on ps4 pro. No dynamic and nothing about upscaled.

Not really as it clearly states the game outputs 2160p, a 4K image. I mean if you seriously think this is false advertising then file a lawsuit. If you're not, then give it a rest.

That's what performance means.

So, theoretically, another system running 720p at 60fps with 0 frame drops performs better?

That is correct.

I mean... I guess. Given the differential in performance, and the resolution upkeep... I think resolution takes the win here. That's not even taking into account "buh, buh, 30fps" and all that.

@Zero_epyon: why would I file a lawsuit I understand they all do it.

That's like saying the original Xbox one is a 1080p machine or the games run at 1080p cos it outputs in 1080p.

My work here is done.

@EG101:

Umm, it does. The x1x version look better, but the pro runs it better. So yes, the pro performs better.