AC Unity maybe 720p on PS4

Why do you not listen? So when you link to Digital Foundry it's legit but when I do it's PR? All I linked was DF and Twitter. And I specifically explained that 2x performance isn't always the case due to coding budget. GTA 5 may well be maxing out the PS3/360, but they had seperate teams utilizing the hardware properly. After all they only had to focus on those two consoles.

Also, I never said a TITAN can't do what PS4 does. It's several times the raw power. I'm just saying DirectX wastes a lot of GPU tech. It's just the truth.

See I never said that ND were the best developers.

What I said was:

• A Console API can do far more with the hardware than what DirectX can with a PC.
• Developers are more restricted with DirectX
• Single spec optimization allows developers to code full on.
• 2x performance of DirectX is possible because of the above.
• Multiplat developers don't get to use the full potential due to catering to several platforms.
• Results show in console exclusives more so.

All this goes for any console and exclusive developer. Not just Sony lol. Never did say that. I feel you are purposely ignoring what I say just to be difficult.

In DirectX, there is CPU overhead and an order of magnitude less draw calls. But then there is also low level access to the GPU. That's the main performance increase actually. Also devs get tofocus on a single spec so they can code tighter and know it will just work.

You want me to provide sources of all these points? Of course they will just be PR right? Please try to be reasonable. Or are you just going to disappear?

The problem I think we are having here is that you think I'm digging at the PC. Here's the thing. You are correct in your thoughts, but also wrong. It is true that Consoles perform better for multiplat games than the equivalent powered PC. But not by far most of the time. This is very true. The reason is because multiplat devs don't get to work on just one platform alone. They have to cater for several.

Listen. I need to get this straight with you. PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Consoles. I love my PC. The gaming experience to the end user can potentially be far better because of the nature of an open platform. PC is the home of multiplats. End of story. Just so you know this is no console shill. But this doesn't change the fact that a console API gives you far more control of the hardware. That is the potential.

Here's a little bit more insight on the PS4's API for reference.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-how-the-crew-was-ported-to-playstation-4

A more crucial issue is that, while the PS4 toolchain is designed to be familiar to those working on PC, the new Sony hardware doesn't use the DirectX API, so Sony has supplied two of their own.

"At the lowest level there's an API called GNM. That gives you nearly full control of the GPU. It gives you a lot of potential power and flexibility on how you program things. Driving the GPU at that level means more work."

"Most people start with the GNMX API which wraps around GNM and manages the more esoteric GPU details in a way that's a lot more familiar if you're used to platforms like D3D11. We started with the high-level one but eventually we moved to the low-level API because it suits our uses a little better," says O'Connor, explaining that while GNMX is a lot simpler to work with, it removes much of the custom access to the PS4 GPU, and also incurs a significant CPU hit.

So here he explains that there are two API's in the PS4. A low level one, and a high level wrapper API similar to that of DirectX11 that also takes a CPU hit like DX11. The low level API takes more work to utilize, but offers you custom access to the GPU. DirectX gets a generalized performance from the GPU, because of it's abstract and high level nature.

"The Crew uses a subset of the D3D11 feature-set, so that subset is for the most part easily portable to the PS4 API. But the PS4 is a console not a PC, so a lot of things that are done for you by D3D on PC - you have to do that yourself. It means there's more DIY to do but it gives you a hell of a lot more control over what you can do with the system."

Again, more info on the control a console API gives you. The GNMX API is there for easy porting from DX11 to PS4. First party devs obviously don't need it as they are not making a PC version.

A lot of devs hate Direct X because it's slow and restricts a lot of custom access that a low level API brings.

But again, multiplats will always be better on PC. No doubt about it. Consoles will only likely perform 10/15% or so better than a comparable PC for multiplats in a lot of cases. But if you get to utilize the PS4 API fully like exclusive developers do, then you can do things that are just not possible on a PC without brute forcing it. 2x is the potential. Not what all games will show.

But the bottom line is a console API > DirectX. That's all I was trying to say.

Why do you not listen? So when you link to Digital Foundry it's legit but when I do it's PR? All I linked was DF and Twitter. And I specifically explained that 2x performance isn't always the case due to coding budget. GTA 5 may well be maxing out the PS3/360, but they had seperate teams utilizing the hardware properly. After all they only had to focus on those two consoles.

Also, I never said a TITAN can't do what PS4 does. It's several times the raw power. I'm just saying DirectX wastes a lot of GPU tech. It's just the truth.

Yeah I do realize that there are also games on consoles that are badly optimized. And do indeed perform similar to DirectX. But the comparison between a cut down 7800GT vs a 8800GT is unfair since one has well over twice the FLOP perf. And on top of that, features more modern arcitecture with shader model 4. Crysis Warhead was built with PC in mind. For efficient use of shader model 4. A showcase. With no console restraint. Not a fair comparison at all. See how even a 7950 GT (7800 Dual GPU) performs with Crysis 1 and you will see just how much of a difference shader model 4 (8000 series) makes to Crysis performance. Crysis is making use of tech that PS3 hardware simply doesn't have. The 8000 series was a massive departure from the 7000 series not just in raw power, but feature set.

Also, the GPU low level access is where the extra perf comes from. Focus on a single piece of hardware too.

Right so you comparing multiplats to exclusives isn't a given. An 8800 is more than just a 7800 with twice the raw power. A better example would be a 7950 dual GPU as it's the same card generation and shader model. But then as I have explained, not all multiplats use the extra advantage of a low level API to it's fullest. I don't think you understand just how limited D3D is do you? It has soo many barriers between the developer and the hardware. Consoles eliminate those barriers. You saying 2x perf is overblown is downplaying coders that are actually capable of such things. It's like saying guitarists can't ever go beyond Jimi Hendrix skill level. Why concoct lies? Are devs just lying when they make those claims? For PR? Even when speaking to a random person on Twitter? Saying it's PR is a cop out. And you are basing a good portion of your argument on conjecture.

Far Cry PS3 was straight ported lol. Not representative of the PS3 being used to it's fullest at all.

Lets say if The Last Of Us Remastered was ported to PC DirectX the way it looks on PS4. PS4 gets an average framerate of 58fps. How do you think a 7850 using DirectX on PC would run that game with the same graphical fidelity? Remember this, the coders at ND had to iron out performance bugs and do PS4 specific algorithims to eliminate as many performance bugs as possible. Those same optimizations are not available on PC. So with the generalized performance of DirectX, what do you think the fps results would be?

720p PS4

1080p on the Bone

@GrenadeLauncher: you have to be the biggest moron I have seen on this board.

You do release it was confirmed months before E3 that Destiny would be 1080p 30 FPS on PS4 and 900p on Xbox One 30 FPS.

Once X1's June update was announced Destiny then confirmed it would be 1080p and 30 FPS on X1. Fast forward to months after E3 and they show life gameplay of Destiny on X1 at 1080p and 30fps on X1 (when you said it wouldn't) and it is also optimized identically to the current PS4 version.

The PS4, is a weak console. It's a fact. It's low end just like X1. Deal with it. They are not holding the PS4 back, the PS4 is holding itself back.

If I recall correctly the Destiny 900p thing was a rumour before there was any official word about its resolution.

I refuse to believe someone as dumb as you, doesn't have a mental disability. Just do research kid. Destiny was confirmed 900p. Since the june update confirmed 1080p.

Usually the prosecution presents the evidence, but I looked it up and couldn't find any 900p confirmations except for the beta being that resolution while they try and bring it up to snuff on the Strugglebox. Nice try.

What the video after E3 were the developers said "Thanks to the June SDK we are able to now optimize the X1 version identically to the PS4's version.". Called research.

Usually the prosecution presents the evidence, but I looked it up and couldn't find any 900p confirmations except for the beta being that resolution while they try and bring it up to snuff on the Strugglebox. Nice try.

"However, with resolution currently locked at 900p for this Xbox One build - and 1080p being targeted for release..."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-destiny-xbox-one-beta

Hurray! That wasn't too difficult.

Now time for a bellylaugh at the Strugglebox just managing 1080p on last-gen parity games.