Paul Manafort found guilty on 8 counts,

No it's not, they stated for a fact Russia meddled or interfered. It's even in their official reports and sworn testimony. Every single IC Chief. The DOJ. The SIC. The HIC. They all state for a FACT that Russia meddled. They never say it is their opinion. It's all in official reports and documents by these agencies, on top of sworn testimonies by the Chiefs of each agencies.

These FACTS were further confirmed in the Cyber Hearings in 2017. These FACTS were further confirmed by the 37 page detailed DOJ indictments.

This isn't a debate anymore. You're spouting conspiracy. My sourcing is vast, credible, and DIRECT (meaning it states what I'm stating, and that I am NOT drawing inferences). Your sourcing is not existent. You lost the debate.

This is no different than debating evolution or climate change. You're done.

No it's not, they stated for a fact Russia meddled or interfered. It's even in their official reports and sworn testimony. Every single IC Chief. The DOJ. The SIC. The HIC. They all state for a FACT that Russia meddled. They never say it is their opinion. It's all in official reports and documents by these agencies, on top of sworn testimonies by the Chiefs of each agencies.

These FACTS were further confirmed in the Cyber Hearings in 2017. These FACTS were further confirmed by the 37 page detailed DOJ indictments.

This isn't a debate anymore. You're spouting conspiracy. My sourcing is vast, credible, and DIRECT (meaning it states what I'm stating, and that I am NOT drawing inferences). Your sourcing is not existent. You lost the debate.

This is no different than debating evolution or climate change. You're done.

They are not facts, come on either go google what facts are and what opinions are, otherwise this is like debating with a 4 year old.

Throwing things up on facebook and twitter are not meddling , it´s using a private platform nothing else.

Define "meddled".

Once again the intelligence community gives facts. I get that you have zero knowledge about it.........but in that stop lying about it. You're very dishonest.

No, they give opinions.

A fact is "there were ads on two private platforms", you or the intel community saying "that is meddling in us election" is an opinion.

Also if they have such a big problem with Facebook and Twitter, just stop them from being accessed by anyone than Americans.

Like I said you have no idea what intelligence is. Continue displaying your ignorance.

Like i have said countless times, you are just a troll.

Also the intelligence community can make up what ever shit they want and you would still believe it, because it fits your misguided narrative.

Like i have said countless times, you are just a troll.

Also the intelligence community can make up what ever shit they want and you would still believe it, because it fits your misguided narrative.

Nope the troll is the one who refuses to believe facts and posts his lies.....that would be you. Intelligence is very very careful in their gathering of information. They do NOT make it up. You are objectively WRONG.

Must be a Russian bot.

Nope the troll is the one who refuses to believe facts and posts his lies.....that would be you. Intelligence is very very careful in their gathering of information. They do NOT make it up. You are objectively WRONG.

Must be a Russian bot.

Honest question....How would you be able to tell that Russia was doing that..knowing that spoofing is a thing?

I do not refuse to see that someone put ads on facebook and twitter, but as long as there was not actual physical votes moved, it does not constitute meddling in any election in the us.

Facebook and Twitter is a global private company and can allow whatever they want on their networks.

I do not refuse to see that someone put ads on facebook and twitter, but as long as there was not actual physical votes moved, it does not constitute meddling in any election in the us.

Facebook and Twitter is a global private company and can allow whatever they want on their networks.

He's here 24/7 for one thing.........

Ah so English is your problem. Meddling does NOT mean votes have to be changed. It just doesn't. Either you cannot grasp that concept or you refuse to do so. Either way it doesn't make you look very well.

I see comprehension is a big problem for you.

And the only people who are looking bad in this situation is the far-leftists and the politicians and intelligence community who want to excuse their mistake when they thought Clinton was a sure win.

Also if you want to prove that the "Russians" meddled in the election, you can either link to credible intel that physical votes where moved or to a credible report that states that those "ads" on facebook or twitter actually moved anyone from Clinton to Trump or from Trump to Clinton.

I see comprehension is a big problem for you.

And the only people who are looking bad in this situation is the far-leftists and the politicians and intelligence community who want to excuse their mistake when they thought Clinton was a sure win.

Also if you want to prove that the "Russians" meddled in the election, you can either link to credible intel that physical votes where moved or to a credible report that states that those "ads" on facebook or twitter actually moved anyone from Clinton to Trump or from Trump to Clinton.

No I understand what meddling in an election means. You clearly do not. Therein is your problem.

You look bad in this situation. You're so enamored with trump that fall for his bait and switch. Clinton did have more votes. They weren't wrong. She was the popular candidate. I don't know why you keep crying about that.

Meddling is NOT just votes being changed. You need to stop hiding behind that rather than face the reality. Russia wanted trump. Russia helped trump. Period. As a patriotic American that should bother you. It doesn't. So either you're not American. Or not a patriot. I suspect the latter definitely.........not sure about the former.

Unlike yourself my concern is with the country.............not a cult of personality.

No, clearly you do not understand what meddling means, otherwise, you would not try to pass off Facebook and Twitter ads as that. The hacking of the DNC could be considered that, but that was meddling in an internal election of the democratic party between their choice of candidates.

Again, the only ones who are looking bad are you and the people who claim that ads on a private company´s global site, constitutes meddling, also by their definition even a piece by let´s say a Chinese tv station on either presidential candidate, would be considered meddling, since they could angle the show in a certain way that portrays one in a much better light than the other. Same goes for the hundreds of crying non-American snowflakes on youtube that during the election talked about Trump in a negative light, some not even Americans.

Meddling is active interference during an election, it is and never will be the above.

And as to me being patriotic, well I could hit bad and say you by not supporting our legitimate president are showing the exact same thing, but this is a free country and we are all allowed to think what we want. But nice try with the insult there.

No, they give opinions.

No you do not know what meddling means. Time and again you posit about votes and that is NOT the only way to meddle. And yes hacking a political party's emails is meddling.

Ads? They were fake stories pushed as though Americans were reacting to them. If you can't see that influence there is something drastically wrong with you. I like you undermine the meddling but the difference between the two of us is I'm against meddling in our elections.........you're just against your party getting involved. FYI meetings with Russians in regard to Clinton is also meddling. And we know Jr had one. Those are both examples of ACTIVE INTERFERENCE.

It's patriotic to try to fix problems. And all the criminal indictments and guilty pleas/convictions with this campaign clearly shows to support it is to be unpatriotic. Country first. I know if this was Clinton's campaign you'd be screaming.

The ICA and DOJ stated Russia meddled or interfered in official documents. They did not say this is their opinion.

You have no counter citation.

You lost the debate.

You keep up the same old shit, either change the record or try to get that if there really are people who are dumb enough to get their political information/news from facebook/twitter and let it guide their vote, then they are the problem not some ads/stories on a private company. Also, have you heard about a little thing called the 1st amendment?

Also, this is not partisan, this about not falling to the level of idiocracy. And yes that is patriotic to fix the problem, but the problem is not Social media and if anyone is as stated above, then the government should focus on education and not go on a hunt that makes McCarthyism look like a Sunday in the park

And there are 0 convictions as to the "ads/stories/Russia" all you have is an indictment of 12-13 unknown Russians who will never see the inside of an American courtroom.

This whole thing is only a big thing because Trump won and there are like you people in America especially the political elite/Hollywood elite who can not fathom that people actually make up their own minds and did not listen to their shit.

Yes, that is called a report which is based on their judgment, you know their OPINION.

You really need to stop trying to use other people opinions as facts to back up your own shit.

Yes, that is called a report which is based on their judgment, you know their OPINION.

You really need to stop trying to use other people opinions as facts to back up your own shit.

IP addresses are not opinions

what part of the report which you have not read would you consider a 'opinion'?

The DOJ, SIC, HIC, and ICA reports are not opinions. They offer details and factual accounts on what is still publicly allowed for release. Not theory.

They are proper sources for objective citation. You lost the debate.

Russia meddled. Even Trump agrees.

Yes, they are opinions, I know you have a very hard time grasping the concept but what they have done is look at what they claim is evidence and form a conclusion. If it was a fact, there would be no need for a court or a jury to weigh in, it´s not like they were caught with their hand down the cookie jar.

So again the wrong use of the word objectivity, please go look that word up because it's not just in here you fail to comprehend the concept. And no Russia did not meddle, at most what they did was use a privately owned platform to place ads/stories, like anyone else can. There is nothing illegal or any law that could even prevent that.

As to the hacking and the indictments, well they are suspicious and mean nothing.

Yes, they are opinions, I know you have a very hard time grasping the concept but what they have done is look at what they claim is evidence and form a conclusion. If it was a fact, there would be no need for a court or a jury to weigh in, it´s not like they were caught with their hand down the cookie jar.

So again, wrong use of the word objectivity, please go look it up because it's not just in here you fail to comprehend the concept. And no Russia did not meddle, at most what they did was use a privately owned platform to place ads/stories, like anyone else can. There is nothing illegal or any law that could even prevent that.

As to the hacking and the indictments, well they are suspicious and mean nothing.

No they are NOT opinions. Damn. Intelligence work does not go by opinion but from gathered facts.

You are wrong. Both objectively and subjectively.

So police work does not go by "opinions" but by facts.

Tell that to the many falsely accused who are in jail and have gotten out because of actual facts.

And only one wrong here is you and it seems like with Zaryia you both have a serious case of the Trump syndrome, which clearly makes you not able to think or see.

Ah as usual you have moved the goal posts and went straight to straw man.

Not really moving anything, you just got caught claiming something that is far from true.

And even worse is that this intelligence "work" is done behind closed doors for the most part and even the rubberstamp indictments against the 13 Russians, will never see the inside of a courtroom to be weighed.

Yes, they are opinions,

No, they are not opinions. They are several factual reports and testimonies, and stated to be as such.