19 kids 2 adults shot dead at Texas school

I wish.

Anyways, point is,

https://mashable.com/article/things-harder-to-get-than-a-gun

Well often they associate their problems with school. It's where the bullying starts, the awkwardness, where many end up turning away from social interactions and fill that void with online activity, be it gaming and social media. So many of them end up targeting schools for that reason, because it's what they blame for their problems. It's very possible he intended to go to the school after killing his grandmother, but the police caught onto it before he made it there, and simply chased him to a place he was already intending to go.

Quite often these people kill someone before going to kill others. As others have mentioned, Lanza in Connecticut did the same thing. Maybe the act of killing his grandmother put him in a "my life is already ruined" sort of mentality. Who knows. But there isn't much evidence to suggest the school was a random destination, but also little evidence to suggest it wasn't. But how he was dressed would suggest he wasn't done with just his grandmother.

You do realize the perpetrator is dead right? You do realize most mass shootings end in suicide, either by a self inflicted shot, or suicide by police, right? In several of these situations, they kill others because they don't plan to be alive at the end of the day anyway. You do understand that all of these people suffer from mental health issues, including depression, and have often already made threats of suicide, or threats towards others?

Apparently, you don't. Which is why YOU want to make it about the tool used, and not what actually sets these people off in the first place, which guess what? Have most of the same contributing factors that push a lot of other teens to suicide. You cannot hide your lack of understanding the issue by accusing me of derailing it when I am clearly not.

There is no evidence of suicide.

And the NRA gets tons of money from the gun manufacturers. The NRA doesn't push what's good for responsible gun owners. They push what's good for gun companies bottom lines.

Why you want to pretend it's not about the tool used is very telling. It tells us that it's most definitely about the tool. I don't know how someone could possibly argue that a gun had nothing to do with a shooting, but you sure do try.

It's your right to own a gun, but you should have a normal mental capacity. I'm 100% sure the constitution didn't mean, the nut jobs and whackos should be allowed to buy guns to shoot up kids, elderly, and innocent people.

Not only this, but cities routinely banned guns from their limits.

School shootings in America are so frequent now it’s actually part of American identity, along with racism and morbid obesity. It’s become more frequent throughout the years, not just a one off incident by one deranged individual. As soon as one happens it inspires the next mentally I’ll person to act on their fantasies or impulses.

@blaznwiipspman1: I haven't seen anything showing this kid had mental health problems besides his recent actions. He had no criminal background, it's possible he wasn't on the spectrum and decided he was going to go postal.

Could be wrong but I haven't seen that he was on any medications or anything. I could be wrong.

@sargentd: some slip through the system, others like you said just go postal one day.

I dont know how you would filter out the crazies, but its obvious something needs to be done about keeping guns out of the hands of the psychos. If it means having to go through a background check, and an yearly mental health evaluation, so be it. Obviously the gun manufacturers will do whatever they can to block such laws, because they want to sell as much as possible, even to the lunatics.

my guess is mass shootings are actually good for manufacturers' bottom lines. haven't looked at any data but i would not be surprised if there are upticks in gun sales after large scale mass shootings with folks fearing imminent restrictions are coming and panic buy. we are a crazy fucking lot

@comp_atkins: yeah. Everytime there a mass shooting. All the media and politicians start parroting restrictions, regulations, and bans.

So people are like, " I need to get that rifle I wanted before these bastards outlaw em" I've legit seen friends of mine do this exact thing.

Also civil unrest, durring the riots in 2020. Knew several people who bought guns that summer, one girl I knew got one after her car windshield got smashed in durring a riot, she had never had a gun before but didn't feel safe where she was at

Case in point.

Are you against common sense background checks, or are you part of the gun death cult?

Yeah, funny how gun laws work everywhere else but because he doesn't like them, they just won't work here, somehow. Next he'll probably say "ok show me what gun laws would have stopped this killer". 🤣

Basically we shouldn't have laws that some people won't follow. That's what I get out of it. Think of the implications of that for a moment.

Your also forgetting the fact that several lives are saved every year, and that's something you're wanting politicians to take away from people. Not that it's going to happen anyway, they don't have the authority to write such laws, SCOTUS has already ruled on this several times. So at the end of the day, you're just wasting time and energy that could be spent looking for real solutions.

Go research the 21st amendment, e4ten.

@eoten: "So at the end of the day, you're just wasting time and energy that could be spent looking for real solutions."

Please suggest some things that you would be willing to allow politicians to support.

Nothing more than what we already have would be constitutional and it's very likely several we already have aren't even. But again, this is a deflection, gun laws aren't going to change the outcome. I would support measures that actually targeted the root causes, not just a symptom or two.

@eoten: so basically, if I read your post correctly, you could have just stopped at the word, "Nothing."

I live in a very pro gun state that allows constitutional open carry without a permit.

and even we have background checks.

I have never seen anyone or heard of anyone not having to get a background check at a gun store... we already have that. unless you are talking about family gifting guns or trading guns or something???

I don't get why some of you guys pretend we don't already do back ground checks?? This guy who did the shooting passed a background check, he has no prior criminal record!

Fuckers already blaming video games and rap music. Anything but guns and sometimes mental health, which they never want to fund anyway.

No, I would support things that will actually solve the problem, not things that'll simply make YOU feel better about yourself.

Not everyone should be able to own a gun.

Video games and rap music all play their part into societies loss of a moral compass. Life is no longer considered precious. We have given up our soul as a nation for political correctness and not hurting anyone's feelings.

Remember that a SCOTUS precedent is no longer worth the paper it's written on.

Yes gun sales increase after a mass shooting. Not everyone mass shooter has mental illness. It's just a talking point to move the discussion off the availability of guns, the gun culture in the US, and the continued preventable death of citizens.

Not only that but the reading of the 2nd was changed by the court after the fact.

@eoten: which is why I asked you to name some things that you believe would help solve the problem and that you would allow politicians to support.

It seems that the police officers were standing with their thumps in their asses outside when the killer was killing children inside.

Right, the reasoning in the leaked draft makes recent 2A decisions particularly vulnerable.

I was talking generally, not this specific case. So you are against stronger background checks and universal background checks like 90% of Americans? Studies indicate this would reduce issues and that there is no harm in trying. Only a death cultist would be against these.

HR 8 gun bill requiring more background checks stalled in Senate | abc10.com

As far as this specific Uvalde case is concerned,

Texas gun laws allow 18-year-olds to buy AR-15s, the weapons used in Uvalde shooting - CBS News

The law was criticized by Democrats, with Rep. Veronica Escobar, of El Paso, predicting at the time that it would "cause more violence and loss."

Yikes. Combine this with the growing evidence assault weapon restrictions result in less and less deadly mass shootings. We need more studies on it, but there certainly isn't harm in these restrictions.

Of course we need more research into ALL of these aspects. Aren't you at least upset conservatives hampered gun research for decades?

@zaryia: we already have background checks.. every store that sells firearms uses the VICS system. If the buyer has no criminal record, nothing is going to come up...

I don't understand what you think they can do to make this system any more efficient than it is.

"Assault weapons" is a bs term and I'm pretty tired of seeing ignorant people use the term. Most that use this term can't even define it because it's BS. What's an assault weapon? A pistol? Rifle? Shotgun?

Seems to me the people that use the term to define guns that are black because if it's not woodgrain or in a mossy oak wrap it scares them smh

I remember when "Assault weapon" was only referred to when talking about fully automatics which are illegal to get unless you go through extensive licensing that costs 10's of thousands of dollars and requires you to register with your local police department on what you have.

And 18 year olds are adults so yes they also have 2A rights... You can't send 18yo's to war and then deny them 2A rights in their own country that's stupid.

just watch john wick.

Abolish the 2nd amendment, and ban all guns. i really couldn't care less about gun rights.

Wowsa, talk about some really bad optics.

@Stevo_the_gamer: what an idiot!!!!

Not universal background checks. 90% of Americans disagree with you and more importantly studies show we can make it better and it would have better effects. Hence the bipartisan bill.

I guess your death cult cares little of logic though.

The data and studies disagree with the semantic opinions I just struck out. There is no potential harm in assault weapon restrictions, and can likely result in positives.

PolitiFact | Joe Biden said mass shootings tripled when the assault weapon ban ended. They did

like i said, watch john wick.

this moniker of "assault weapons" simply does not exist. no politician who has ever addressed it has been able to define it, cause its a farse.

its just not there.

The second amendment is the only thing keeping the government from taking complete control of the citizens. With out the second ammendmant the Bill of Rights will be scrapped.

@zaryia: what's an assault weapon then? Any gun that's capable of having a clip that holds 10+ rounds???

From your "fact check".

"No strong evidence shows that the ban’s presence or its end caused the change in mass shooting deaths, but many studies find a correlation."

If there is no strong evidence than I'd say this "mostly" false.

You really need to stop following these half baked fact checks as some kind of gospel.

It's mostly true because there is evidence. It exists. It's there. The guy who said the evidence was not "strong" still said there was many studies agreeing with Biden, and still thinks we should take action. Research on other measures shows they worked, and worked well. Reading the whole article is key.

• New research suggests that limits on large-capacity magazines play a key role.
• "No strong evidence shows that the ban’s presence or its end caused the change in mass shooting deaths, but many studies find a correlation."
• Several studies find that mass shooting deaths fell slightly in the decade of the federal assault weapon ban, and then rose dramatically in the decade that followed.

Researchers at theJohns Hopkins School of Public Healthstudied state laws that limit magazine size. Their work linked those laws to a nearly 50% reduction in the rate of fatal mass shootings.

Morral said many studies show that limits on weapons and large-capacity magazines are associated with fewer and less deadly mass shootings. And in the absence of stronger data either way, "logical considerations" should guide lawmakers.

"The absence of strong scientific evidence is not a good rationale for taking no action," Morral said.

The 10% Death Cult doesn't want to try anything. They love death and welcome more.

Also the reason there isn't "strong" evidence is due to your team hampering gun research for decades. How convenient.

Yeah, let me follow your baseless fictional ramblings instead. It's not like you have or ever will refute my fact checkers. Including this article.

In NY a background check was preformed on the Buffalo mass shooter and nothing was revealed to keep him from purchasing a firearm, even though he had been questioned by police and had a mental evaluation.

Are you saying expanded and universal background checks would have no national impact on average gun violence? There is enough research showing there would be an impact.

Research Suggests Gun Background Checks Work, But They're Not Everything : NPR

No harm in trying going by this data. Only potential positives. Just like with assault weapon restrictions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61588274

Police were urged to charge into a deadly school shooting in Texas by onlookers, witnesses say, with one suggesting he considered doing so himself as he became frustrated.

Texas officials say gunman Salvador Ramos was inside the school in Uvalde for up to an hour before he was killed.

Nineteen children and two adults died, while 17 others were injured.

Eyewitness Juan Carranza told the Associated Press that women shouted at officers to "go in there".

But the 24-year-old, who witnessed the scene at the Robb Elementary School from outside his house, said police did not enter.

Javier Cazares, whose daughter was killed in the attack, told the news agency he suggested running in with other onlookers because the police "weren't doing anything".

Authorities said the gunman locked himself in a classroom which officers then struggled to gain access to.

Steven McCraw, the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told a news conference on Wednesday that the gunman was on site for between 40 minutes and an hour before law enforcement were able to "contain" him.

US Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz, meanwhile, told CNN that dozens of officers responded to the shooting and "didn't hesitate".

"They entered that classroom and they took care of the situation as quickly as they possibly could," he said.

An officer engaged with him, but failed to stop him from entering the school. He then proceeded to shoot 19 children and two teachers dead, before officers converged on the classroom and a border patrol officer who had responded while nearby killed him, according to Mr Abbott.

Imagine being one of the adults yelling at the cops to do something and then being restrained when you try to enter the school yourself.

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-police-stopped-parents-rushing-save-children-shooter-1710325

See how some of them are already wearing tactical gear and holding rifles.

@warm_gun: those cops are absolute cowards!!

40 ******* cops who are armed and instead of going in sat around pulling their panties out their cracks. Absolutely shameful. They say around for 40 minutes so that Border patrol, yes.. so border patrol could get there and actually do something???? Cowards!!! those cops who wouldn't go in should be fired. Thank you BORDER PATROL I guess?!?!?

This is why I will never give up any of my guns EVER. People try to tell me I shouldn't have a right to be armed due to murderers roaming about with guns, so I should give up my guns?!?!? Why should I give up my right to own a gun because phychos are armed?!?!? How does that even make sense??? What about phycho murderers roaming around should make me want to be DISARMED. And look at these cops... 40 minutes, standing around, doing nothing??? These are the people we are supposed to count on to defend us?? Look at that footage of them pointing tasers at on lookers. What a bunch of LOSERS. shame shame SHAME on them.

NO THANK YOU, I WILL JUST CARRY MY OWN.

@zaryia: if you are going to keep using "assault weapon" define it.