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#751 madmenno

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A: StarCraft II is the ultimate competitive real-time strategy game, and the sequel to the hit original, StarCraft.

Tell that to the C&C fanboys. But obviously yes i knew that back in 1998 :D

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#752 visceron

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[QUOTE="madmenno"]

A: StarCraft II is the ultimate competitive real-time strategy game, and the sequel to the hit original, StarCraft.

Tell that to the C&C fanboys. But obviously yes i knew that back in 1998 :D

C&C fanboy right here. I agree SCII is definitely more competitive. Actually this may not count, my love for C&C died with C&C3.

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[QUOTE="madmenno"]
A: StarCraft II is the ultimate competitive real-time strategy game, and the sequel to the hit original, StarCraft. visceron
Tell that to the C&C fanboys. But obviously yes i knew that back in 1998 :D

C&C fanboy right here. I agree SCII is definitely more competitive. Actually this may not count, my love for C&C died with C&C3.

I've got a ticket on the same boat as you, CNC3 was an eyesore to the CNC series. Much like what RA3 is to RA1 and 2, but with much less cheesiness.

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#754 elrond92

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Agreed CNC died on the 3rd game. And dont get me started on the fourth, why does EA need to ruin all the good francises? Anyhow SC 2 is best game on RTS market right now.

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#755 paladinqueen

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Very detailed summary. Good,these images so buautiful...

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#756 janti_hakouz

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Hey my buddy just installed Starcraft 2, and its doin the update, and it has been looping. It finishes the update and then starts again immediately, and we can't get the game to open. He's definitely installed the version 1.1.1 patch 3 times now. Any ideas?
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You sure it's downloading the same patch? Check the file size at the bottom. I think It downloaded 4-5 patches when I installed it a couple of days ago.

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#757 Wakanoid

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Does anybody agree that Starcraft 2 doesn't require that much skill?

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#758 Vfanek

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Does anybody agree that Starcraft 2 doesn't require that much skill?Wakanoid

Bold words from a platinum player, in 2v2s nonetheless.

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#759 Wakanoid

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[QUOTE="Wakanoid"]Does anybody agree that Starcraft 2 doesn't require that much skill?Vfanek

Bold words from a platinum player, in 2v2s nonetheless.

Well you see, I mean it DOES require skill. But I mean, I have horrible connection issues, so in random 2's I went from plat to silver (From d/c's) I've easily lost 60+ games from disconnecting. Now I'm usually matched up with bronze, and I swear some players I outskill by a mile can still come up with dumb strategies and win the game. Like rushing void rays, mass marines, mass zealot, 6 pool. Get my point?

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#760 BlueHarvest28

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Love starcraft hate the people who play it.

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#761 Vfanek

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[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"]Does anybody agree that Starcraft 2 doesn't require that much skill?Wakanoid

Bold words from a platinum player, in 2v2s nonetheless.

Well you see, I mean it DOES require skill. But I mean, I have horrible connection issues, so in random 2's I went from plat to silver (From d/c's) I've easily lost 60+ games from disconnecting. Now I'm usually matched up with bronze, and I swear some players I outskill by a mile can still come up with dumb strategies and win the game. Like rushing void rays, mass marines, mass zealot, 6 pool. Get my point?

Yes, and I don't disagree. You don't need to be very 'skilled' at lower skill levels (yes, I realize how stupid that sounds). While it's difficult to learn the game initially, you pick it up quite fast and it doesn't take long before anyone is able to stomp on new players. It's when you get to higher levels of play that skill is more important than having a gimmick you rely on. Y'know, you can get quite far with proxy void rays, but after a while you'll encounter people who know how to deal with it. So yeah, you can beat really terrible players with stupid builds, doesn't say a whole lot though.

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#762 N30F3N1X

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Love starcraft hate the people who play it.
BlueHarvest28

How so? The community has been surprisingly helpful and friendly to me up to now. Although I've only played about a hundred matches, so far I've only seen 5-6 ****heads.

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#763 Wakanoid

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[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="Vfanek"] Bold words from a platinum player, in 2v2s nonetheless.

Well you see, I mean it DOES require skill. But I mean, I have horrible connection issues, so in random 2's I went from plat to silver (From d/c's) I've easily lost 60+ games from disconnecting. Now I'm usually matched up with bronze, and I swear some players I outskill by a mile can still come up with dumb strategies and win the game. Like rushing void rays, mass marines, mass zealot, 6 pool. Get my point?

Yes, and I don't disagree. You don't need to be very 'skilled' at lower skill levels (yes, I realize how stupid that sounds). While it's difficult to learn the game initially, you pick it up quite fast and it doesn't take long before anyone is able to stomp on new players. It's when you get to higher levels of play that skill is more important than having a gimmick you rely on. Y'know, you can get quite far with proxy void rays, but after a while you'll encounter people who know how to deal with it. So yeah, you can beat really terrible players with stupid builds, doesn't say a whole lot though.

I mean, now that I'm stuck in bronze/silver league again I always go for a counter-cheese build. If there's a Protoss I make sure they don't rush Void Rays. But, when you're in the higher levels (Platinum & Diamond) it's such a dumb build, that nobody does it. A noob build counters a noob build. For example, one guy goes mass zealots, you really don't need to do much... Mass Mauraders, or some sort of air unit. While in higher leagues you need a mixture, for example with Protoss maybe 1-2 Void Rays for charge during battle, a few sentries for the shield buff. A few immortals to take out armored units, with colossus to take out the mass and some Zealots to be some what of a shield. Stalkers for back-up support. And while doing all that, micro them all properly. Sure, you can still win. But then you find the person just massed a load of void rays, let's say 12 and counting. They're somewhat upgraded, and they go into the back of your base... They're all charged, you know how it ends. You can really out-skill the person, but there are many cheap builds possible. I'm just sick of the way to counter a noob build is a counter noob build. Or you play with pros and have to use much more complex builds. This makes sense right?

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#764 MaChaorules

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[QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"] Well you see, I mean it DOES require skill. But I mean, I have horrible connection issues, so in random 2's I went from plat to silver (From d/c's) I've easily lost 60+ games from disconnecting. Now I'm usually matched up with bronze, and I swear some players I outskill by a mile can still come up with dumb strategies and win the game. Like rushing void rays, mass marines, mass zealot, 6 pool. Get my point?

Yes, and I don't disagree. You don't need to be very 'skilled' at lower skill levels (yes, I realize how stupid that sounds). While it's difficult to learn the game initially, you pick it up quite fast and it doesn't take long before anyone is able to stomp on new players. It's when you get to higher levels of play that skill is more important than having a gimmick you rely on. Y'know, you can get quite far with proxy void rays, but after a while you'll encounter people who know how to deal with it. So yeah, you can beat really terrible players with stupid builds, doesn't say a whole lot though.

I mean, now that I'm stuck in bronze/silver league again I always go for a counter-cheese build. If there's a Protoss I make sure they don't rush Void Rays. But, when you're in the higher levels (Platinum & Diamond) it's such a dumb build, that nobody does it. A noob build counters a noob build. For example, one guy goes mass zealots, you really don't need to do much... Mass Mauraders, or some sort of air unit. While in higher leagues you need a mixture, for example with Protoss maybe 1-2 Void Rays for charge during battle, a few sentries for the shield buff. A few immortals to take out armored units, with colossus to take out the mass and some Zealots to be some what of a shield. Stalkers for back-up support. And while doing all that, micro them all properly. Sure, you can still win. But then you find the person just massed a load of void rays, let's say 12 and counting. They're somewhat upgraded, and they go into the back of your base... They're all charged, you know how it ends. You can really out-skill the person, but there are many cheap builds possible. I'm just sick of the way to counter a noob build is a counter noob build. Or you play with pros and have to use much more complex builds. This makes sense right?

You should never let someone mass up void rays, they're expensive and the enemy should have very little of anything else if they invest into them. The key is to scout effectively really. Even if they wall off, if you have a good sense of how many units the opponent has at their ramp then you'll have a good idea of what they're teching to.

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#765 Wakanoid

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[QUOTE="MaChaorules"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="Vfanek"] Yes, and I don't disagree. You don't need to be very 'skilled' at lower skill levels (yes, I realize how stupid that sounds). While it's difficult to learn the game initially, you pick it up quite fast and it doesn't take long before anyone is able to stomp on new players. It's when you get to higher levels of play that skill is more important than having a gimmick you rely on. Y'know, you can get quite far with proxy void rays, but after a while you'll encounter people who know how to deal with it. So yeah, you can beat really terrible players with stupid builds, doesn't say a whole lot though.

I mean, now that I'm stuck in bronze/silver league again I always go for a counter-cheese build. If there's a Protoss I make sure they don't rush Void Rays. But, when you're in the higher levels (Platinum & Diamond) it's such a dumb build, that nobody does it. A noob build counters a noob build. For example, one guy goes mass zealots, you really don't need to do much... Mass Mauraders, or some sort of air unit. While in higher leagues you need a mixture, for example with Protoss maybe 1-2 Void Rays for charge during battle, a few sentries for the shield buff. A few immortals to take out armored units, with colossus to take out the mass and some Zealots to be some what of a shield. Stalkers for back-up support. And while doing all that, micro them all properly. Sure, you can still win. But then you find the person just massed a load of void rays, let's say 12 and counting. They're somewhat upgraded, and they go into the back of your base... They're all charged, you know how it ends. You can really out-skill the person, but there are many cheap builds possible. I'm just sick of the way to counter a noob build is a counter noob build. Or you play with pros and have to use much more complex builds. This makes sense right?

You should never let someone mass up void rays, they're expensive and the enemy should have very little of anything else if they invest into them. The key is to scout effectively really. Even if they wall off, if you have a good sense of how many units the opponent has at their ramp then you'll have a good idea of what they're teching to.

I never have, well maybe except for once where I forgot to scout. But there are simply stupid strategies where an amateur player can take on an experienced player.

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#766 visceron

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For example, one guy goes mass zealots, you really don't need to do much... Mass Mauraders, or some sort of air unit. Wakanoid

I'm just trying to help you out here, but Mauraders are weak against Zealots. If you use the in game help, it actually tells you which units are weak against what. Also you can check out this site.

Again I am just trying to help.

I agree you can play the game with out much skill, but if you have good micro it will go along ways. I realize I am only a gold player, but I mostly get matched up against platinum players. So, I have a pretty good idea of what platinum players are capable of.

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#767 MaChaorules

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[QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="MaChaorules"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"] I mean, now that I'm stuck in bronze/silver league again I always go for a counter-cheese build. If there's a Protoss I make sure they don't rush Void Rays. But, when you're in the higher levels (Platinum & Diamond) it's such a dumb build, that nobody does it. A noob build counters a noob build. For example, one guy goes mass zealots, you really don't need to do much... Mass Mauraders, or some sort of air unit. While in higher leagues you need a mixture, for example with Protoss maybe 1-2 Void Rays for charge during battle, a few sentries for the shield buff. A few immortals to take out armored units, with colossus to take out the mass and some Zealots to be some what of a shield. Stalkers for back-up support. And while doing all that, micro them all properly. Sure, you can still win. But then you find the person just massed a load of void rays, let's say 12 and counting. They're somewhat upgraded, and they go into the back of your base... They're all charged, you know how it ends. You can really out-skill the person, but there are many cheap builds possible. I'm just sick of the way to counter a noob build is a counter noob build. Or you play with pros and have to use much more complex builds. This makes sense right?

You should never let someone mass up void rays, they're expensive and the enemy should have very little of anything else if they invest into them. The key is to scout effectively really. Even if they wall off, if you have a good sense of how many units the opponent has at their ramp then you'll have a good idea of what they're teching to.

I never have, well maybe except for once where I forgot to scout. But there are simply stupid strategies where an amateur player can take on an experienced player.

Strategy can only take you so far though, amateur vs experienced then you'd assume that the experienced player has better timings for their build and better macro. If they have better macro then chances are then when the amateur player pushes out, he'll miss the timing which makes his strategy effective.

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#768 Wakanoid

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[QUOTE="Wakanoid"]For example, one guy goes mass zealots, you really don't need to do much... Mass Mauraders, or some sort of air unit. visceron

I'm just trying to help you out here, but Mauraders are weak against Zealots. If you use the in game help, it actually tells you which units are weak against what. Also you can check out this site.

Again I am just trying to help.

I agree you can play the game with out much skill, but if you have good micro it will go along ways. I realize I am only a gold player, but I mostly get matched up against platinum players. So, I have a pretty good idea of what platinum players are capable of.

Whoops, I don't know why I said Mauraders even though I wouldn't find them that weak if you micro'd them properly. But let's just go with mass Stalkers.

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#769 Wakanoid

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[QUOTE="MaChaorules"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="MaChaorules"] You should never let someone mass up void rays, they're expensive and the enemy should have very little of anything else if they invest into them. The key is to scout effectively really. Even if they wall off, if you have a good sense of how many units the opponent has at their ramp then you'll have a good idea of what they're teching to.

I never have, well maybe except for once where I forgot to scout. But there are simply stupid strategies where an amateur player can take on an experienced player.

Strategy can only take you so far though, amateur vs experienced then you'd assume that the experienced player has better timings for their build and better macro. If they have better macro then chances are then when the amateur player pushes out, he'll miss the timing which makes his strategy effective.

I do, oh how I do. Maybe it's the fact I play 2's.

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#770 MaChaorules

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[QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="MaChaorules"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"] I never have, well maybe except for once where I forgot to scout. But there are simply stupid strategies where an amateur player can take on an experienced player.

Strategy can only take you so far though, amateur vs experienced then you'd assume that the experienced player has better timings for their build and better macro. If they have better macro then chances are then when the amateur player pushes out, he'll miss the timing which makes his strategy effective.

I do, oh how I do. Maybe it's the fact I play 2's.

2's are just a massing contest if you ask me, the fact that your teammate can save you allows you to live longer than you usually might so it just ends up becoming a macro game.

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#771 Vfanek

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Too lazy to read the wall of texts right now.. but do want to point out that the game isn't balanced around 2s. Sure, they're trying to make 2s something people can enjoy but I doubt it will ever become balanced in any way, shape or form. In 1v1, yeah a bad player can beat a good player. That goes for any sport/game, sometimes you just **** up. In a best of 100, it won't end up 50/50 if one player is 'amateur', as you called it. Even if he does some stupid as hell timing attack the experienced player will see it coming, as he won't let you walk freely around the map (playing blind in other words). Blablablabla, tl;dr: You can beat a pro with some gimmick one game, he'll kick your arse the next 50 games.

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#772 bzwax

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If there are too many people wanting to talk about Starcraft 2, why reduce the area to talk about it to a single thread? At least make a temporary forum dedicated to Starcraft 2.

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#773 N30F3N1X

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If there are too many people wanting to talk about Starcraft 2, why reduce the area to talk about it to a single thread? At least make a temporary forum dedicated to Starcraft 2.
bzwax

It's already there.

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#774 Wakanoid

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[QUOTE="MaChaorules"][QUOTE="Wakanoid"][QUOTE="MaChaorules"] Strategy can only take you so far though, amateur vs experienced then you'd assume that the experienced player has better timings for their build and better macro. If they have better macro then chances are then when the amateur player pushes out, he'll miss the timing which makes his strategy effective.

I do, oh how I do. Maybe it's the fact I play 2's.

2's are just a massing contest if you ask me, the fact that your teammate can save you allows you to live longer than you usually might so it just ends up becoming a macro game.

It's not really a massing contests when you get up into the higher levels. Which is what I'm saying is the bronze/silver levels do cheap tactics and/or mass just one unit.

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#775 nchan

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Anyone willing to give me one of their guest pass? I want to try it before I buy.

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#776 BlueHarvest28

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i love the game but I'm still in bronze. and people really ruin the game by cheesing. your probably at a level you get a decent opponent to play against. The starcraft community is great but the game is very easily ruined.

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#777 Vfanek

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i love the game but I'm still in bronze. and people really ruin the game by cheesing. your probably at a level you get a decent opponent to play against. The starcraft community is great but the game is very easily ruined.
BlueHarvest28

Learn to deal with cheese instead. There's more than plenty of cheese up until platinum and occurs fairly often in diamond. Only way to avoid it is to play mates and decide no one is allowed to cheese.

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#778 elrond92

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[QUOTE="BlueHarvest28"]
i love the game but I'm still in bronze. and people really ruin the game by cheesing. your probably at a level you get a decent opponent to play against. The starcraft community is great but the game is very easily ruined.
Vfanek

Learn to deal with cheese instead. There's more than plenty of cheese up until platinum and occurs fairly often in diamond. Only way to avoid it is to play mates and decide no one is allowed to cheese.

If you get cheezed it your own fault for sucking enough to let it happen.

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#779 call_of_duty_10

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Hey guys,I bought SC2 about a week ago and I am currently playing the awesome campaign.I have spent many credits on unit/building upgrades and I have also upgraded stuff through protoss/zerg research.Will the upgraded buildings and units be available in skirmish?(for example,bunkers with guns,better medics,ability to build one structure with many SCVs etc):)

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#780 N30F3N1X

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Hey guys,I bought SC2 about a week ago and I am currently playing the awesome campaign.I have spent many credits on unit/building upgrades and I have also upgraded stuff through protoss/zerg research.Will the upgraded buildings and units be available in skirmish?(for example,bunkers with guns,better medics,ability to build one structure with many SCVs etc):)
call_of_duty_10

Nope, they're strictly campaign stuff.

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#782 DogFoo

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Hey guys,I bought SC2 about a week ago and I am currently playing the awesome campaign.I have spent many credits on unit/building upgrades and I have also upgraded stuff through protoss/zerg research.Will the upgraded buildings and units be available in skirmish?(for example,bunkers with guns,better medics,ability to build one structure with many SCVs etc):)
call_of_duty_10

how much did you bought it for ?

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