Fallout: New Vegas sold 1.4 million units; Guess how many were on PC

[QUOTE="theafiguy"]

There's that, but I think that after the hype of the CS series died down, and after Call of Duty made it's way to the big name consoles, PC games had little in the way of truely amazing exclusives. It'll remain the only platform suitable to have an MMORPG simply because of the amount that's going on, and a controller simply cannot take advantage of everything available. Imagine putting WoW on the 360, it would either be dumbed down or so slow that it wouldn't even be enjoyable.

Then there are strategy games, they don't really work on consoles. Halo Wars and The Outfit are great examples of them not working out too well. PC gaming will always be strong as long as those two genres are still only viable on the PC. Starcraft made a huge impact, and World of Warcraft is still the biggest selling MMO, you can't argue with the numbers of the Blizzard games.

That's not even taking into account that some people buy games on multiple platforms, for different reasons. I personally would never have a multi-platform single player game on a console because I know for a fact that they would have more user support, and modifications, on a PC.

jedikevin2

Hmm thats your opinion there but if you are trying to state that since 2004 (ruff times of css release) that Pc has not had amazing exclusives then you would be in for a Huge surprise. If you take sometime on your own and do some research, you will find many great pc exclusives especially in a 5-6 year timeframe you are proposing.

I am also surprised that people are trying to state Pc gaming as a "niche Market". Base on the statements in this thread, you could just as easily make the same statements that "console gaming" is niche.

Well outside of MMO's, RPG's, and RTS games, there is little in the way of exclusive games that are actually good. Crysis was a huge bolster to the PC community because that game is now what, 4 years old, and it's STILL how people compare graphics. That is something truly amazing. What shooters have come out that are only PC that have really made an impact? I can't really think of one, I'm sure there are a few out there, I'm not doubting that at all.

I should have clarified that there haven't been many exclusive games around to really push the PC market, for shooting games at least. Of course we've have C&C, Company of Heroes, Starcraft II, Civilization V and other big name games, but those are all going to end up being MMO games or RTS games.

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

But he is wrong about PC games not selling well.

Oh...Daytona...I would expected a lot more from you...

1 copy of Fallout NV for xbox is not equal to 1 copy of Fallout NV on PC...the copy of NV for PC has double or triple the value of the counterpart for the xbox/ps3...

Iam not in the mood to even explain this further more...but for those of you who know and understand how things works,please dont bother to reply to this guys who always say:"pc is dieing or xbox sold way more than pc"...dont bother to reply back...u cant teach someone that the sky is blue and the water is wet...:D

[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"] Oh I agree, I bet they sold a lot on Steam,,,,although it is a fact that Console sales are in most cases quite a lot higher than PC sales.Prexxus

Oh...Daytona...I would expected a lot more from you...

1 copy of Fallout NV for xbox is not equal to 1 copy of Fallout NV on PC...the copy of NV for PC has double or triple the value of the counterpart for the xbox/ps3...

Iam not in the mood to even explain this further more...but for those of you who know and understand how things works,please dont bother to reply to this guys who always say:"pc is dieing or xbox sold way more than pc"...dont bother to reply back...u cant teach someone that the sky is blue and the water is wet...:D

[QUOTE="Prexxus"][QUOTE="rhazzy"]

Oh...Daytona...I would expected a lot more from you...

1 copy of Fallout NV for xbox is not equal to 1 copy of Fallout NV on PC...the copy of NV for PC has double or triple the value of the counterpart for the xbox/ps3...

Iam not in the mood to even explain this further more...but for those of you who know and understand how things works,please dont bother to reply to this guys who always say:"pc is dieing or xbox sold way more than pc"...dont bother to reply back...u cant teach someone that the sky is blue and the water is wet...:D

kdawg88

The fact that you can access the console is another huge thing for a lot of people who are into modifications, which I think you're underestimating the amount of people who do get involved in it. PC games also tend to have more life, I'm not quite sure why.theafiguy

Saying the PC version is worth double of tripple the value is just completly false. Then this guy has the audacity to go and tell people to not ask him why because they don't understand how things "work". Give me a **** break and grow up.

Mods don't make a game more valuable. Lots of people don't give a **** about mods. That all depends on the gamer, not the value of the game. Lots of gamers find more value in a console version and not in mods.

Prexxus

I'm pretty sure that thanks to the tournament scene, DotA and Counter Strike made more money than all the COD/MW map packs combined, and DotA and Counter Strike born as mods.

Sorry but this has stupid written all over it. The PC version has no more value then the others at all. If anything the PS3 version may be a bit more"valuable" because it's a blue ray disk... How you came up with the idea of the PC version having double or tripple the value is beyond me. *shaking head*Prexxus

It could be argued the PC version does have more value or at least "value for money" over the console version. In the UK Fallout NV is £24.99 on the PC and £37.99 on the consoles. So right there we are definitely getting more "value for our money". The PC also has enhancements over the console version such as better graphics and features such as cloud saving.

So we get essentially the same "game" as the consoles at a massively lower price and we get enhancements to the PC version that sounds like better value than the console version to me.

It could also be argued that the PC version is more "valuable" to publishers/developers too. They probably see more revenue per copy sold on the PC than they do on the console especially if that purchase has been done via steam (which is more than likely in this day and age). So to match the revenue from one copy sold on the PC you may find they need to sell at least 2 copies on the console due to reduced production and distribution costs involved with the PC version.

At the end of the day you have to ask this question "why are companies still producing PC versions of their games if they are selling as badly as VGchartz, NPD, the tooth fairy keep stating ?". The answer is simply because PC software sales do not do as badly as these fortune tellers try to make out but some gamers fall for the doom and gloom articles every time.

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]Sorry but this has stupid written all over it. The PC version has no more value then the others at all. If anything the PS3 version may be a bit more"valuable" because it's a blue ray disk... How you came up with the idea of the PC version having double or tripple the value is beyond me. *shaking head*charmingcharlie

It could be argued the PC version does have more value or at least "value for money" over the console version. In the UK Fallout NV is £24.99 on the PC and £37.99 on the consoles. So right there we are definitely getting more "value for our money". The PC also has enhancements over the console version such as better graphics and features such as cloud saving.

So we get essentially the same "game" as the consoles at a massively lower price and we get enhancements to the PC version that sounds like better value than the console version to me.

It could also be argued that the PC version is more "valuable" to publishers/developers too. They probably see more revenue per copy sold on the PC than they do on the console especially if that purchase has been done via steam (which is more than likely in this day and age). So to match the revenue from one copy sold on the PC you may find they need to sell at least 2 copies on the console due to reduced production and distribution costs involved with the PC version.

At the end of the day you have to ask this question "why are companies still producing PC versions of their games if they are selling as badly as VGchartz, NPD, the tooth fairy keep stating ?". The answer is simply because PC software sales do not do as badly as these fortune tellers try to make out but some gamers fall for the doom and gloom articles every time.

Read through the thread, maybe like uhhh I don't know the second post? I know vgchartz is **** I said it first.

Also, it dosen't take 2 copies retail to match 1 downloaded. Game companies barely spend anything in packaging/shipping because they have great partnerships and deals. Steam also takes cuts from the sales aswell as retail stores.

The value of the game is determined by the price you buy it for. And the "value for your money" can't be the same for everyone. Like I said, lots of people don't care for PC games or mods so, no, the value for your money is always subjective to what the customer wants. Again, lots of people don't care at all for the mods or the console. Some people may find better value in knowing that the 360 will be getting the official DLC first. It's all for the custommer to decide. But the core value of the game is always determined by the price you pay for it.

Read through the thread, maybe like uhhh I don't know the second post? I know vgchartz is **** I said it first.

Prexxus

I did not mention mods at all in my post, the improved graphics and cloud saving are part of the PC version and not part of the console version. So right there we are getting "more" than the console version are we not ? So you are arguing that the PC version which is cheaper and comes with better features than the console version is not "better value" I mean seriously come on here. I find it hard to see how anyone can argue that something that costs more and has fewer features is better value than something that costs less and has more features.

As for my last paragraph that was just me making a comment on topic, it was not specifically aimed at you but aimed at people that seem to still believe this kind of rubbish that gets posted time and time again.

Also, it dosen't take 2 copies retail to match 1 downloaded. Game companies barely spend anything in packaging/shipping because they have great partnerships and deals. Steam also takes cuts from the sales aswell as retail stores.Prexxus

The 2 copies scenario is probably slightly off the mark but not by much, there are clear cost savings with the PC version. In three key areas :-

Market Development Fund - paying for good product placement on shop shelves and instore shop advertising accounts for 5% of a games price. I believe this cost is not present in the DD versions.

Manufacturing costs and packaging - this accounts for another 5% of the games budget which again isn't present in the DD version of the game.

Distribution costs - eat up about 1.5% of the game budget again it is hard to see DD copies costing as much as that to distribute.

http://www.forbes.com/2006/12/19/ps3-xbox360-costs-tech-cx_rr_game06_1219expensivegames_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=undefined

So right there you have a 12% saving if your game is sold on any of the Digital Distribution channels. An extra 12% of revenue on the PC version that you won't see on the console version. So yeah whilst not exactly a "second copy" it is still a fairly significant amount in my books.

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]The value of the game is determined by the price you buy it for. And the "value for your money" can't be the same for everyone. Like I said, lots of people don't care for PC games or mods so, no, the value for your money is always subjective to what the customer wants. Again, lots of people don't care at all for the mods or the console. Some people may find better value in knowing that the 360 will be getting the official DLC first. It's all for the custommer to decide. But the core value of the game is always determined by the price you pay for it.

Read through the thread, maybe like uhhh I don't know the second post? I know vgchartz is **** I said it first.

charmingcharlie

I did not mention mods at all in my post, the improved graphics and cloud saving are part of the PC version and not part of the console version. So right there we are getting "more" than the console version are we not ? So you are arguing that the PC version which is cheaper and comes with better features than the console version is not "better value" I mean seriously come on here. I find it hard to see how anyone can argue that something that costs more and has fewer features is better value than something that costs less and has more features.

As for my last paragraph that was just me making a comment on topic, it was not specifically aimed at you but aimed at people that seem to still believe this kind of rubbish that gets posted time and time again.

Wait wait wait wait wait. Since when is piracy only on PC? All 3 consoles are easily modded these days, and a huge amount of people don't even have a computer capable of running these kinds of games. Chances are they sold more on consoles because

A: People like playing on there nice TV's

B: Achievements and Trophies

C: Console controls

D: More people own a 360/PS3 vs a capable PC

Just because something didn't sell well, doesnt mean it was stolen.

Digital Sale Here

I doubt they have exact figures for worldwide PC sales. But going off the assumption that they do have good estimates for retail figures it does seem a bit weak. The figure they have now for FO-NV is 140,000 world wide on PC. Lets make an estimate of our own and say 50% of all sales are DD, so it would be 280,000 total. To me that seems like a very plausible number.

There is certainly a userbase comparable to consoles on PC, Steam alone has 30 million users, but for some reason new games just don't fly off the shelves the same way. Piracy is an obvious issue but on the other hand there are games that do sell so not sure if that explains all of it. Maybe PC gamers just stick to their games longer and will get this when they feel like it. The hype mentality that spurs these impressive first month figures on consoles just doesn't seem to exist on PC, aside from Blizzard games.

[QUOTE="charmingcharlie"]

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]The value of the game is determined by the price you buy it for. And the "value for your money" can't be the same for everyone. Like I said, lots of people don't care for PC games or mods so, no, the value for your money is always subjective to what the customer wants. Again, lots of people don't care at all for the mods or the console. Some people may find better value in knowing that the 360 will be getting the official DLC first. It's all for the custommer to decide. But the core value of the game is always determined by the price you pay for it.

Read through the thread, maybe like uhhh I don't know the second post? I know vgchartz is **** I said it first.

Prexxus

I did not mention mods at all in my post, the improved graphics and cloud saving are part of the PC version and not part of the console version. So right there we are getting "more" than the console version are we not ? So you are arguing that the PC version which is cheaper and comes with better features than the console version is not "better value" I mean seriously come on here. I find it hard to see how anyone can argue that something that costs more and has fewer features is better value than something that costs less and has more features.

As for my last paragraph that was just me making a comment on topic, it was not specifically aimed at you but aimed at people that seem to still believe this kind of rubbish that gets posted time and time again.

@ Prexxus Let me put it this way...iam not going to re-educate u and draw u a picture,coz i cant teach u that the sky is blue and the water is wet,you should of know this by now...

1.U have a game publishing company: Company1.

2.You have a game developing company: Company2

3.The above companys release on market a Game

4.This Game is released for both pc and xbox360.

5.The price of the Game is 50 euro for both platforms

6.The game only sales only 1 copy(you can multiply it with what number you want) on both platforms...

7.The Revenue which Company1 and Company2 gets from the pc sale is double or triple than his counterpart the xbox360...

GAMES RELEASED ON PC HAVE A HIGHER VALUE THAN THE ONES ON CONSOLE = Absolute Truth!

P.S. Does your brain comprehend this?!

What the **** are you smoking?

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="theafiguy"]

There's that, but I think that after the hype of the CS series died down, and after Call of Duty made it's way to the big name consoles, PC games had little in the way of truely amazing exclusives. It'll remain the only platform suitable to have an MMORPG simply because of the amount that's going on, and a controller simply cannot take advantage of everything available. Imagine putting WoW on the 360, it would either be dumbed down or so slow that it wouldn't even be enjoyable.

Then there are strategy games, they don't really work on consoles. Halo Wars and The Outfit are great examples of them not working out too well. PC gaming will always be strong as long as those two genres are still only viable on the PC. Starcraft made a huge impact, and World of Warcraft is still the biggest selling MMO, you can't argue with the numbers of the Blizzard games.

That's not even taking into account that some people buy games on multiple platforms, for different reasons. I personally would never have a multi-platform single player game on a console because I know for a fact that they would have more user support, and modifications, on a PC.

theafiguy

Hmm thats your opinion there but if you are trying to state that since 2004 (ruff times of css release) that Pc has not had amazing exclusives then you would be in for a Huge surprise. If you take sometime on your own and do some research, you will find many great pc exclusives especially in a 5-6 year timeframe you are proposing.

I am also surprised that people are trying to state Pc gaming as a "niche Market". Base on the statements in this thread, you could just as easily make the same statements that "console gaming" is niche.

Well outside of MMO's, RPG's, and RTS games, there is little in the way of exclusive games that are actually good. Crysis was a huge bolster to the PC community because that game is now what, 4 years old, and it's STILL how people compare graphics. That is something truly amazing. What shooters have come out that are only PC that have really made an impact? I can't really think of one, I'm sure there are a few out there, I'm not doubting that at all.

I should have clarified that there haven't been many exclusive games around to really push the PC market, for shooting games at least. Of course we've have C&C, Company of Heroes, Starcraft II, Civilization V and other big name games, but those are all going to end up being MMO games or RTS games.