Will Pedophilia ever be accepted like H0m0sexuality here?

Gabu you're losing it man. Pedophelia is the simple attraction of an adult to an adolescent. The child doesn't even have to be aware of anything. A pedophile who never touches any kids, but gets off looking at pictures of little girls on the internet is not making any of those kids aware that he's sexually attracted to them.BucketsOfSpunk

Pedophilia obviously includes the desire to act upon that attraction. If pedophilia were to become accepted in the same way that homosexuality is today - the very premise in the title of this thread - then that would necessarily carry with it the acceptance of acting upon those desires.

Homosexuality is accepted because people have recognized that there is no harm whatsoever in having those desires or acting upon those desires. The same is not true for pedophilia. Acceptance that pedophiles exist and that they have these desires is not acceptance of pedophilia in the same way that homosexuality has been accepted; even the staunchest anti-gay preachers accept that homosexuals exist and have their desires.

Thus, everything I have said is perfectly relevant.

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[QUOTE="BayAreaX"]i dont agree with homosexuality or pedophilliaMrLions

*hugs you again... not tight this time*

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[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Relevant, because it's the same type of thing. It's all in the mind... it's how they developed.MrLions

how in the world can you think being gay and being a pedophile is the same thing?

ah i see where hes coming from.

but still comparing gays to pedophiles..:?

[QUOTE="MrLions"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

how in the world can you think being gay and being a pedophile is the same thing?

konvikt_17

ah i see where hes coming from.

but still comparing gays to pedophiles..:?

[QUOTE="MrLions"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I dont agree with throwing money around! :x

Teenaged

*hugs you again... not tight this time*

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[QUOTE="MrLions"] Being attracted to those younger than you and being attracted to those of the same sex. Keyword attracted They cant help the fact they're attracted to people younger and neither can gay people or thats what most people say.MrLions

ah i see where hes coming from.

but still comparing gays to pedophiles..:?

Same basic principles dont make for a comparison of things.

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[QUOTE="MrLions"] Being attracted to those younger than you and being attracted to those of the same sex. Keyword attracted They cant help the fact they're attracted to people younger and neither can gay people or thats what most people say.MrLions

ah i see where hes coming from.

but still comparing gays to pedophiles..:?

well its not working on me:x

wonder where our bucketsofspunk is now.

hes been quiet for a while

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[QUOTE="MrLions"] How about hugs? Do you agree with that?MrLions

*hugs you again... not tight this time*

[QUOTE="MrLions"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

ah i see where hes coming from.

but still comparing gays to pedophiles..:?

Teenaged

Same basic principles dont make for a comparison of things.

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="MrLions"] Being attracted to those younger than you and being attracted to those of the same sex. Keyword attracted They cant help the fact they're attracted to people younger and neither can gay people or thats what most people say.MrLions

ah i see where hes coming from.

but still comparing gays to pedophiles..:?

I think the critical difference is the question of whether or not acting upon those attractions hurts anyone.

With homosexuality, the answer is no; with pedophilia, the answer is yes.

I hope its never accepted but it was accepted with the Greeks. I don't even want to think about it. Why did I even come here?illegalimigrant

[QUOTE="MrLions"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

ah i see where hes coming from.

but still comparing gays to pedophiles..:?

GabuEx

I think the critical difference is the question of whether or not acting upon those attractions hurts anyone.

With homosexuality, the answer is no; with pedophilia, the answer is yes.

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]I hope its never accepted but it was accepted with the Greeks. I don't even want to think about it. Why did I even come here?BayAreaX

I are proud to be Greek!

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="BayAreaX"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]I hope its never accepted but it was accepted with the Greeks. I don't even want to think about it. Why did I even come here?Teenaged

I are proud to be Greek!

Well it depends on the situation if the dudes 30 and the girls 17 but what about the rest......sheeesh this is like dividing by 0 >_>MrLions

Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to a child. I don't think I would call someone who is 17 much of a child anymore; perhaps legally speaking yes, but 18 is really just an arbitrary magic number.

PS: Your signature is awesome. :P

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[QUOTE="BayAreaX"] the greeks had sex with everybody -0-0-MrLions

I are proud to be Greek!

Grab that red tunic and wear it to set the scene....

theres a difference. gay adults are just that, adults. they can act as such. pedophilia however, is an adult and a minor, which is not only immoral and weird, it's also illegal.

it's also illegal.

LeGoofyGoober

Technically speaking, so was homosexuality.

[QUOTE="MrLions"]Well it depends on the situation if the dudes 30 and the girls 17 but what about the rest......sheeesh this is like dividing by 0 >_>GabuEx

Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to a child. I don't think I would call someone who is 17 much of a child anymore; perhaps legally speaking yes, but 18 is really just an arbitrary magic number.

PS: Your signature is awesome. :P

I hope its never accepted but it was accepted with the Greeks. I don't even want to think about it. Why did I even come here?illegalimigrant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty

[QUOTE="omfg_its_dally"]No. Pedophilia puts the kids in danger. Solid_Tango

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"][QUOTE="omfg_its_dally"]No. Pedophilia puts the kids in danger. mlisen

Doubtful. The people who support homosexuality generally do so because they acknowledge that there isn't a problem with consenting relationships between adults. When you're talking about children, though, there are clear problems with maturity and a lack of understanding for the potential consequences. There are also serious issues regarding control in the relationship, as the partners are most certainly not on equal footing.

I fully support consenting homosexual relationships between intellectually mature individuals but would never support pedophilia, or any intimate relationship where both parties can not be reasonably expected to consent with a full understanding of what they are consenting to. However, I'm not nearly as paranoid about age differences as most people are. Tell some people here that a 23 year old is dating an 18 year old and you'll get charges of pedophilia. It's quite amusing.

[QUOTE="mlisen"][QUOTE="Solid_Tango"] So does h0mosexuality.Teenaged

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[QUOTE="mlisen"] How?Solid_Tango

And no I dont form my beliefs based on shows. You should do the same. ;)

EDIT: Plus I bet you cant prove that it is un-natural and wrong. ;)

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[QUOTE="mlisen"] How?Solid_Tango

I'm failing to see how any of that proves that two consenting homosexual adults being in an intimate relationship results in harm to children in the way that pedophilia does. The worst that could happen is that they become tolerant of the behaviour because they aren't raised to be intolerant of it. Tolerance for what other people do when it doesn't affect your life doesn't hurt you. :|

Also, I find people who can't spell to be "unnatural, WRONG, and disgusting." I think you hurt every impressionable youth who reads your message by warping his or her understanding of how words like "disgusting" are spelled. So shall I ridicule you in public and demand that the government supress your freedom to post on these message boards because I disapprove of your behaviour? Would that not strike you as petty and arrogant?

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well you'll get an answer from him, as much as I did... :roll:

pianist

I'm failing to see how any of that proves that two consenting homosexual adults being in an intimate relationship results in harm to children in the way that pedophilia does. The worst that could happen is that they become tolerant of the behaviour because they aren't raised to be intolerant of it. Tolerance for what other people do when it doesn't affect your life doesn't hurt you. :|

No it will not. One preys on the young and the other is between consenting adults. NO comparison.

[QUOTE="omfg_its_dally"]No. Pedophilia puts the kids in danger. BucketsOfSpunk

Then I will ask you nicely. Please stop.

[QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Gabu you're losing it man. Pedophelia is the simple attraction of an adult to an adolescent. The child doesn't even have to be aware of anything. A pedophile who never touches any kids, but gets off looking at pictures of little girls on the internet is not making any of those kids aware that he's sexually attracted to them.Famiking

Unnatural certainly, but Buckets has a point. If you don't actually enter a physical relationship with a child you're not hurting a child. Here's the problem, though - if you're looking at pictures of a naked child online, it's probably because that child was exploited by another adult, and that IS a serious problem, especially if you're helping fund this exploitation by paying for some porn membership.

The real issue with pedophilia is emotional abuse and exploitation, and that's why it can't be deemed acceptable. Not just because it isn't natural, because if we use that rationale, then we run into dangerous situations where the majority exerts its will on a minority's harmless behaviour by deeming it 'unnatural.' That is, of course, one of the primary arguments used by homophobes in supporting their position.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="BucketsOfSpunk"] Gabu you're losing it man. Pedophelia is the simple attraction of an adult to an adolescent. The child doesn't even have to be aware of anything. A pedophile who never touches any kids, but gets off looking at pictures of little girls on the internet is not making any of those kids aware that he's sexually attracted to them.pianist

Unnatural certainly, but Buckets has a point. If you don't actually enter a physical relationship with a child you're not hurting a child. Here's the problem, though - if you're looking at pictures of a naked child online, it's probably because that child was exploited by another adult, and that IS a serious problem, especially if you're helping fund this exploitation by paying for some porn membership.

The real issue with pedophilia is emotional abuse and exploitation, and that's why it can't be deemed acceptable. Not just because it isn't natural, because if we use that rationale, then we run into dangerous situations where the majority exerts its will on a minority's harmless behaviour by deeming it 'unnatural.' That is, of course, one of the primary arguments used by homophobes in supporting their position.

What point? If you don't enter into a relationship then you don't get arrested and charged. Anything is definetely wrong as it harms the child. If he is talking about child porn there is nothing right about that.

LJS9502_basic

I think he's talking about downloading child porn, which can most certainly get you in trouble. And his point is that the end user of such porn is not actually harming the child, because that user has no contact with the child. That is correct. What he missed, though, is that child porn depends on funding to exist, and by paying for access to it, you are indirectly supporting the exploitation, which is why it's forbidden to even access such material.

We don't arrest people for being sexually attracted to children, and we don't arrest them because their views are unnatural, but rather because they are harmful. But like you said... that's in no way comparable to consenting homosexual relationships between adults.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]I'm not just talking about sex. I'm talking about the responsibilities and everything else involved in a relationship, of which sex is likely one, but of which sex need not necessarily be one.A child does not have the mental capacity or awareness to understand these things.Homosexuality became increasingly accepted because people slowly realized that there was absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. Homosexual people are perfectly capable of having the mental capacity and awareness to fully appreciate what a relationship, likely including sex, involves. Children are not.BucketsOfSpunk

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What point? If you don't enter into a relationship then you don't get arrested and charged. Anything is definetely wrong as it harms the child. If he is talking about child porn there is nothing right about that.

pianist

I think he's talking about downloading child porn, which can most certainly get you in trouble. And his point is that the end user of such porn is not actually harming the child, because that user has no contact with the child. That is correct. What he missed, though, is that child porn depends on funding to exist, and by paying for access to it, you are indirectly supporting the exploitation, which is why it's forbidden to even access such material.

We don't arrest people for being sexually attracted to children, and we don't arrest them because their views are unnatural, but rather because they are harmful. But like you said... that's in no way comparable to consenting homosexual relationships between adults.

yes, they're basically the same thing anywayz. Silenthps

Not with Bible verses and strict Christian doctrine.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]yes, they're basically the same thing anywayz. Teenaged

Not with Bible verses and strict Christian doctrine.

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]yes, they're basically the same thing anywayz. DrSponge

Not with Bible verses and strict Christian doctrine.

yes, they're basically the same thing anywayz. Silenthps

[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]No. Prove it.

Not with Bible verses and strict Christian doctrine.

Teenaged

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[QUOTE="DrSponge"] I think he's a troll. Well at least I hope he is :|DrSponge

I think silenthps thinks that what he says is the truth and that no one should be offended. I have been through discussions with him before.

Pedophilia IS accepted in a lot of countries or cultures, if I guess, we want to use our yard stick to measure other cultures views of what is right and wrong. Just look at that case in, what was it, Saudi Arabia? A judge overruled a petition by a mother to overturn a marrige betrothal between some gross 40 or 50 year-old dude and an 8-year-old girl. The dude was made to promise he will not have sex with her until she hit puberty. In our country this is pedophilia but there I guess it's generally accepted.

Look at Thailand. Child sex is rampant there. Yes, it is illegal but that doesn't stop it from happening on a wide scale does it?

There is a Dutch political party trying to get the legal age of consent lowered and possibly removed altogether, thus making it ok if a 35 year-old and a 10 year-old engage in sex.

But here in America? I would think no, and if it ever is I am moving, not only for my future children's sake but because Rome is burning and I don't want to burn with it.

Pedophilia IS accepted in a lot of countries or cultures, if I guess, we want to use our yard stick to measure other cultures views of what is right and wrong. Just look at that case in, what was it, Saudi Arabia? A judge overruled a petition by a mother to overturn a marrige betrothal between some gross 40 or 50 year-old dude and an 8-year-old girl. The dude was made to promise he will not have sex with her until she hit puberty. In our country this is pedophilia but there I guess it's generally accepted.

Look at Thailand. Child sex is rampant there. Yes, it is illegal but that doesn't stop it from happening on a wide scale does it?

There is a Dutch political party trying to get the legal age of consent lowered and possibly removed altogether, thus making it ok if a 35 year-old and a 10 year-old engage in sex.

But here in America? I would thing no, and if it ever is I am moving, not only for my future children's sake but because Rome is burning and I don't want to burn with it.

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