Will God Let Good People Into Heaven? (Poll)

[QUOTE="jointed"]If he don't then he's ****ing cruel. I don't believe in him because I've seen no proper evidence. I can't just make myself believe something out of thin air. It's like me asking you to believe in Santa Clause...you can say you believe in him, but deep down you know it's not true.DrSponge

Wouldn't evil sensibly be the opposite of good? Wouldn't the absence of good simply be neutrality? chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I'm sure in the commandments or whatever God never put anyone in hell for jay-walking >_>. Just for crimes that is unforgivable like you know killing,stealing.foxhound_fox

That's not what your fellow CWU members have told me. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? {6} Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. {7} If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. {8} Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. {9} Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? {10} Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. {11} Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.chessmaster1989

:lol: Praline your post wins :lol:

Apparantly a mod disagrees. :cry:

Reason for moderation: Intending solely to annoy and/or offend other users

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Wouldn't evil sensibly be the opposite of good? Wouldn't the absence of good simply be neutrality? Crushmaster

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] If God hates evil then why did he create it? Crushmaster

please dont use this metaphore. it is nothing like that. evil is generally regarded as the opposite of good. but in a physical sense cold is a completely relative term. as there is only heat. just varying levels of it. but this analogy there is NO EVIL just varying levels of good.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I'm sure in the commandments or whatever God never put anyone in hell for jay-walking >_>. Just for crimes that is unforgivable like you know killing,stealing.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="Famiking"]Eh, I'm not Christian so I don't agree :P

"Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve" 2:62

And even then, I believe only kafir (a person who knows "the truth" but rejected it) go to hell for all eternity, or a person who has done many bad deeds.Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"] Not a good analogy. Law-keepers (policemen) don't 'love' law-breakers...MgamerBD

For the record, the word "hate" as used in the Bible is one of the most misunderstood words in the entire text. Within contexts like those, it is referring only to preferance or to priority: there is no emotional connotations in the "hate" being described. It simply means that God distances himself from those who do evil things and does not find such actions acceptable.

The idea that God hates people, in the emotional sense of the word "hate" as we understand it today, is one of the most repulsive ideas I've ever heard, and I just have to shake my head at those who see nothing wrong with such a concept.

So are you saying when people kill other people? They should not go to jail for life?MgamerBD

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]That's not what your fellow CWU members have told me. Crushmaster

Hey your making things worse. Even I find it annoyng when people bring up scriptures. You must argue with logic :x MgamerBD

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Wouldn't evil sensibly be the opposite of good? Wouldn't the absence of good simply be neutrality? Crushmaster

Sorry, but the Oxford English Dictionary agrees with me.

Evil:

The antithesis of GOOD in all its principal senses.

I'm sure in the commandments or whatever God never put anyone in hell for jay-walking >_>. Just for crimes that is unforgivable like you know killing,stealing.MgamerBD

You missed the entire point of what I said. :| Allow me to reiterate. No one who commits a finite crime should receive infinite punishment.

The Bible is not god's word it has been tampered and tainted by man for nearly 2000 years of being rewritten. There is no telling how much is truthful if indeed the Bible is suppose to be the word of god.. Not to mention the Bible is not quite clear what is metaphorical and what it isn't, so you have people to this day who believe Noah's Ark as the literal truth. sSubZerOo

Can we please get a lock on yet another Crushmaster Religious thread telling us that 90+% of the world is going to hell?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Cool story bro.

MrPraline

:lol: Praline your post wins :lol:

Apparantly a mod disagrees. :cry:

Reason for moderation: Intending solely to annoy and/or offend other users

:lol: to be fair, it was pretty much solely intending to annoy Crush. That doesn't change the fact that it was hilarious :lol:

Actually, it is quite clear as to what is literal and what is not.Crushmaster

They said "God created evil" -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

deeds DO matter.

GabuEx

I wouldn't say that. A person can do a good deed out of impure motives. Think of sucking up to your boss as a good example: sure, you're treating him nicely, but only because you're driving by selfish desires; it has nothing to do with the fact that you like him or want to make him happy.

I would say that the motives driving a person's deeds are what matters, not the deeds themselves. There's a reason why Jesus constantly admonished those who announced good deeds with trumpets, or who did good deeds to those who can repay them - we ought to do such things simply out of love for our neighbors with no expectation of recompense, rather than for any carnal or material desires.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]Only those who outright reject God when introduced to him. If they were never introduced to him then I think they will be let off if they were good people. I think anyone who worships one God and was a good person will go to heaven. But of course, it's all up to God who goes to heaven or not.Crushmaster

see what I mean? I only read the first opening post and I was proven right.

Anyway, if god does exist, I think he gives everyone a chance, like Famiking said. Only if you reject him do you go to hell ,and hey...if you do reject God when he/she/it is there in front of you, I think you want to go lol

Sorry, but the Oxford English Dictionary agrees with me.

Evil:

The antithesis of GOOD in all its principal senses.

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] They said "God created evil" Crushmaster

When, asked, do you believe that God created evil, I got the following response: "Yes"

Don't know, don't care. I'd rather devote my life to living rather than devote my life to a place that may or may not exist.

-Sun_Tzu-

This man speaks wisdom

please dont use this metaphore. it is nothing like that. evil is generally regarded as the opposite of good. but in a physical sense cold is a completely relative term. as there is only heat. just varying levels of it. but this analogy there is NO EVIL just varying levels of good. blackacidevil96

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Sorry, but the Oxford English Dictionary agrees with me.

Evil:

The antithesis of GOOD in all its principal senses.

Crushmaster

You said that evil is the absence of good. The OED says it is the antithesis (i.e. opposite) of good.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Actually, it is quite clear as to what is literal and what is not.foxhound_fox

Why don't you believe the Bible is God's Word?

Crushmaster

Nearly every religion has a has a holy text. These texts are usually full of quotes saying their religion is correct.

I don't see why Christianity would have the only valid version of "God's word", considering...

This says Islam is the true religion. What's it based on? Quotes from the Qur'an.

This says Hinduism is the true religion. What's it based on? Quotes from their holy text (sorry, the name escapes me).

This says Sikhism is the true religion. What's it based on? Quotes from whatever their holy text is.

This is mainly a response to the Evangelical view that deeds dont matter. That no matter how you live your life, all it matters is if you declare that you are accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. I wasnt in the mood to clarify.

Teenaged

Oh, I know, and I completely agree with that; I'm just being pedantic. :P

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] If God hates evil then why did he create it? Crushmaster

none of it exists. thats like saying the giant flying jetfire transformer in the sky will let only his worshippers into his private luxury hotel to live in after they die, whilst everyone else will burn and be in agonizing pain for the rest of their lives. The hole arguement turns me away from religion, its kind of a threatening way of scarying people into converting, beleive what i said or you'll go to hell.

wow i just got way offtopic, but shortanswer: no, because none of it exists

spelling errors are intended btw.

Wait up, I'll ask him.

Me:
Will you let good people into heaven?
God:
Hmm. What do you really want to ask me?
Me:
will you let good people into heaven?
God:
I'll burn that bridge when I come to it. I'm afraid I can't give you an accurate answer right now.
Me:
answer me douchebag
God:
What are you wearing?

...

ZuluEcho14

For the record, the word "hate" as used in the Bible is one of the most misunderstood words in the entire text. Within contexts like those, it is referring only to preferance or to priority: there is no emotional connotations in the "hate" being described. It simply means that God distances himself from those who do evil things and does not find such actions acceptable.

The idea that God hates people, in the emotional sense of the word "hate" as we understand it today, is one of the most repulsive ideas I've ever heard, and I just have to shake my head at those who see nothing wrong with such a concept. GabuEx

Relative or not, it exists, and about everyone uses it. If a person is not good at all (and, according to the Bible, all humans are completely evil), they are evil.Crushmaster

Give me an example and I'll try to explain.Crushmaster

[QUOTE="ZuluEcho14"]

Wait up, I'll ask him.

Me:
Will you let good people into heaven?
God:
Hmm. What do you really want to ask me?
Me:
will you let good people into heaven?
God:
I'll burn that bridge when I come to it. I'm afraid I can't give you an accurate answer right now.
Me:
answer me douchebag
God:
What are you wearing?

...

BumFluff122

that freak started it!

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

This is mainly a response to the Evangelical view that deeds dont matter. That no matter how you live your life, all it matters is if you declare that you are accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. I wasnt in the mood to clarify.

GabuEx

Oh, I know, and I completely agree with that; I'm just being pedantic. :P

Now I'll have to pull down the poster I have of you from my bedroom wall... :(

(BR knows what I am talking about... :P)

Don't take it literally.clembo1990

Obviously the "correct" answer is A, but I will stay say that a loving god will let good people into heaven. What's he going to do, let bad people into heaven? If he doesn't let good or bad people into heaven, then he lets no one into heaven.

Can we please get a lock on yet another Crushmaster Religious thread telling us that 90+% of the world is going to hell?

mrbojangles25

Why can't it be that the human mind can create evil? I mean is that so impossible? No, just keep passing the blame "maan, god is malevolent and evil, I swear it wasn't me"...Famiking

You said that evil is the absence of good. The OED says it is the antithesis (i.e. opposite) of good. chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Don't take it literally.sSubZerOo

But then again I have seen the most strange arguments in favour of the opposite view so... :?

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Don't take it literally.sSubZerOo

Not being good doesn't make you evil... it just makes you apathetic. There is doing good, doing evil and not doing anything. That's why there are nine (based on three major forces; good, neutral and evil) alignments in Dungeons and Dragons instead of two. foxhound_fox

Noah's Ark. Its been claimed numerous times as a literal account of an historical event, yet there is no evidence to suggest it happened as it did in the Bible... only that a similar event took place in the area around Iraq. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]Don't take it literally.Teenaged

But then again I have seen the most strange arguments in favour of the opposite view so... :?