Why Americans Hate RAP / HIP HOP music ?

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I'm ignoring them because listening to 40 different songs that are ~3-4 minutes each takes awhile. Every time i go "yeah, the background is from this other song" someone posts another 2-3 links. I'm not wrong, you just cant see there's no talent in rapping over someone else's song.Nibroc420

You're dead wrong because most of the links posted DID NOT steal anyone else's music. The guy you quoted just happened to post songs that took from others. You were shown several links that didn't but you didn't reply to them because they destroyed your laughable argument.

I'm not going to sit here and listen to terribad rap for 30-40 minutes, while everyone posts new "proof" that while the first 10-15 songs were unoriginal, these next ones surely are!

No need to get super defensive. Face it, most rappers steal beats, and then rhyme over it with lyrics involving drugs,money,hoes,violence, and they usually incorperate swearing cause it makes them feel cooler.

It has nothing to do with being defensive about rap. I'm treating you like I'd treat anyone who basks in their own ignorance.

If you're not willing to listen to the examples, then how is your argument even slightly valid? How are you better than a person who refuses to look at evidence in a political debate?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] What musical genres are you in to by the way?Ravensmash

But this is taking someone else's work and making something original from it ;)

I'ma take the mona lisa, and draw a mustache on it. Then It will be a totally original work of art.:roll:

PS. the music in your link sounded terrible anywho.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I'm sorry, he can actually play notes. Where as the majority of rappers just go "oo i link that, steal it" He may not be good, but at least he's not claiming greatness whilst stealing someone else's work.Nibroc420

Music has 2 parts to it, the lyrics, and the instrumental. 99% of rappers steal the instrumental, and then just rhyme about drugs and hoes. How is that not stealing?

Why don't you prove it?

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I enjoy music that is original and doesn't involve taking someone else's work. ;)Ravensmash

But this is taking someone else's work and making something original from it ;)

Awesome example, that's one of my favorite songs ever.

It also brings up a good point - good hip-hop producers don't just take the music from one song and use it unaltered for the beat of their song. They change it up or add/subtract things to it.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I enjoy music that is original and doesn't involve taking someone else's work. ;)Nibroc420

But this is taking someone else's work and making something original from it ;)

I'ma take the mona lisa, and draw a mustache on it. Then It will be a totally original work of art.:roll:

PS. the music in your link sounded terrible anywho.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I enjoy music that is original and doesn't involve taking someone else's work. ;)Nibroc420

But this is taking someone else's work and making something original from it ;)

I'ma take the mona lisa, and draw a mustache on it. Then It will be a totally original work of art.:roll:

PS. the music in your link sounded terrible anywho.

You're entitled to your opinion but just know that you're in the REALLY small minority when it comes to that song/album.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endtroducing.....#Legacy

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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

You're dead wrong because most of the links posted DID NOT steal anyone else's music. The guy you quoted just happened to post songs that took from others. You were shown several links that didn't but you didn't reply to them because they destroyed your laughable argument.

GreySeal9

I'm not going to sit here and listen to terribad rap for 30-40 minutes, while everyone posts new "proof" that while the first 10-15 songs were unoriginal, these next ones surely are!

No need to get super defensive. Face it, most rappers steal beats, and then rhyme over it with lyrics involving drugs,money,hoes,violence, and they usually incorperate swearing cause it makes them feel cooler.

It has nothing to do with being defensive about rap. I'm treating you like I'd treat anyone who basks in their own ignorance.

If you're not willing to listen to the examples, then how is your argument even slightly valid? How are you better than a person who refuses to look at evidence in a political debate?

I can only spend so much time listening to bad music ok?

Someone posts 5 links, at ~3 minutes each, thats 15 minutes. I get into the second song and suddently "zomg you're ignoring my link" I post a reply, stating whats wrong with the rap in the links, and why it's not original. By the time i finish this, there's 2-3 posts claiming i'm ignoring it, and another 6 or so links that people claim "well, if that link wasn't original, try this." We start getting into songs that are ~10 minutes long, and sound absolutely horrid.

I'm not going to listen to every link posted in here and make paragraph length rebuttles to all of them. It would take a couple hours, and i'd have to force myself to endure terrible music.

I listened to SOME of the examples through their entirety, and i commented on them. However the 2-3 songs out of thousands dont change the fact that the majority of rappers out there,

1.) can't play any instrument, except maybe the spoons.

2.) steal tracks from others, so they have something to sing over (the instruments/beat is half the song)

3.) sing about Money, Drugs, Hoes, Cars, Cloths, and/or how terrible their lives are even though they make millions per album.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] takes while to listen to all 5 songs and comment on them all -.- Honestly i was but i accidently closed the tab on firefox :(

Anyways, "Just the two of us" by will smith, honesly? It's a freaking cover.

"Keep ya head up" The track they rapped over is far from original, ~3 minutes in the "ooh ooh child things are gonna get easier" kicks in, and i was like "yea, how's this original?"

I'm not going to go through EVERY link everyone's posted in this thread, explaining what's stolen and from where. If you can't hear it, enjoy ignorance, but dont claim that those artists are original.

Nibroc420

That's a nice genre.

However the 2-3 songs out of thousands dont change the fact that the majority of rappers out there,

3.) sing about Money, Drugs, Hoes, Cars, Cloths, and how terrible their lives are even though they make millions per album.

Nibroc420

This guy just said the MAJORITY (!!) of rappers make millions per album...:?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Find me a rap where. 1.) the Beat isn't stolen from another song. 2.) there's little to no swearing (occasionally for effect is fine) 3.) They're not just rhyming about how hard their life is, and how much coke/how many "hoes" they have. 4.) it actually sounds good. Good luck.ZIVX

Wow a Nujabes fan. I love his music.

It's a shame he died. :(

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] What musical genres are you in to by the way?Sapients_Net

That's a nice genre.

Someone posts 5 links, at ~3 minutes each, thats 15 minutes. I get into the second song and suddently "zomg you're ignoring my link" I post a reply, stating whats wrong with the rap in the links, and why it's not original. By the time i finish this, there's 2-3 posts claiming i'm ignoring it, and another 6 or so links that people claim "well, if that link wasn't original, try this." We start getting into songs that are ~10 minutes long, and sound absolutely horrid.Nibroc420

You don't have to listen to the whole thing. :roll: But that makes too much sense I guess.

I'm not going to listen to every link posted in here and make paragraph length rebuttles to all of them. It would take a couple hours, and i'd have to force myself to endure terrible music.Nibroc

How do you know the music is terrible if you don't listen to the links?

Do you realize that that statement doesn't make sense?

You replied to such a tiny amount of the examples. In fact, you made a special effort to reply to the ones that don't destroy your argument cause they borrowed ignoring the ones that don't borrow. That much is transparent.

I listened to SOME of the examples through their entirety, and i commented on them. However the 2-3 songs out of thousands dont change the fact that the majority of rappers out there,

1.) can't play any instrument, except maybe the spoons.

2.) steal tracks from others, so they have something to sing over (the instruments/beat is half the song)

3.) sing about Money, Drugs, Hoes, Cars, Cloths, and how terrible their lives are even though they make millions per album.Nibroc

Why don't you prove your generaizations?

I don't hate the genre, I just hate almost all of the "artists" that I've heard within it. Movits! is probably the only exception, and they're more swing than hip hop imo.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

However the 2-3 songs out of thousands dont change the fact that the majority of rappers out there,

3.) sing about Money, Drugs, Hoes, Cars, Cloths, and how terrible their lives are even though they make millions per album.

JML897

This guy just said the MAJORITY (!!) of rappers make millions per album...:?

LOL.

And despite posting something so ridiculous, he'll still post with all the bravado in the world.

Where did you even get this idea? Why do a lot of rap songs get hundreds of thousands to million views? And it's called sampling, not stealing

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Someone posts 5 links, at ~3 minutes each, thats 15 minutes. I get into the second song and suddently "zomg you're ignoring my link" I post a reply, stating whats wrong with the rap in the links, and why it's not original. By the time i finish this, there's 2-3 posts claiming i'm ignoring it, and another 6 or so links that people claim "well, if that link wasn't original, try this." We start getting into songs that are ~10 minutes long, and sound absolutely horrid.GreySeal9

You don't have to listen to the whole thing. :roll: But that makes too much sense I guess.

I'm not going to listen to every link posted in here and make paragraph length rebuttles to all of them. It would take a couple hours, and i'd have to force myself to endure terrible music.Nibroc

How do you know the music is terrible if you don't listen to the links?

Do you realize that that statement doesn't make sense?

You replied to such a tiny amount of the examples. In fact, you made a special effort to reply to the ones that don't destroy your argument cause they borrowed ignoring the ones that don't borrow. That much is transparent.

I listened to SOME of the examples through their entirety, and i commented on them. However the 2-3 songs out of thousands dont change the fact that the majority of rappers out there,

1.) can't play any instrument, except maybe the spoons.

2.) steal tracks from others, so they have something to sing over (the instruments/beat is half the song)

3.) sing about Money, Drugs, Hoes, Cars, Cloths, and how terrible their lives are even though they make millions per album.Nibroc

Why don't you prove your generaizations?

Do you want proof the earth revolves around the sun, and is actually round as well?

:roll:

Seriously, it's not like i'm making outrageous statements. It's all pretty commonly known.

Do you want proof the earth revolves around the sun, and is actually round as well?

:roll:Nibroc420

Are you really comparing your ill-informed opinions to facts of nature? :?

I mean, you do realize the difference between opinions and facts, right?

Also, your assertion that the majority of rappers make millions is straight up wrong. So how is it a fact again? :?

Seriously, it's not like i'm making outrageous statements. It's all pretty commonly known.

Nibroc

If it's so commonly known, you shouldn't have any choosen backing those statements up.

So where's the proof?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Someone posts 5 links, at ~3 minutes each, thats 15 minutes. I get into the second song and suddently "zomg you're ignoring my link" I post a reply, stating whats wrong with the rap in the links, and why it's not original. By the time i finish this, there's 2-3 posts claiming i'm ignoring it, and another 6 or so links that people claim "well, if that link wasn't original, try this." We start getting into songs that are ~10 minutes long, and sound absolutely horrid.Nibroc420

You don't have to listen to the whole thing. :roll: But that makes too much sense I guess.

I'm not going to listen to every link posted in here and make paragraph length rebuttles to all of them. It would take a couple hours, and i'd have to force myself to endure terrible music.Nibroc

How do you know the music is terrible if you don't listen to the links?

Do you realize that that statement doesn't make sense?

You replied to such a tiny amount of the examples. In fact, you made a special effort to reply to the ones that don't destroy your argument cause they borrowed ignoring the ones that don't borrow. That much is transparent.

I listened to SOME of the examples through their entirety, and i commented on them. However the 2-3 songs out of thousands dont change the fact that the majority of rappers out there,

1.) can't play any instrument, except maybe the spoons.

2.) steal tracks from others, so they have something to sing over (the instruments/beat is half the song)

3.) sing about Money, Drugs, Hoes, Cars, Cloths, and how terrible their lives are even though they make millions per album.Nibroc

Why don't you prove your generaizations?

Do you want proof the earth revolves around the sun, and is actually round as well?

:roll:

Seriously, it's not like i'm making outrageous statements. It's all pretty commonly known.

Seriously, it's not like i'm making outrageous statements. It's all pretty commonly known.Nibroc420

Anyone who hates this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGwsXEdlJqQ doesn't appreciate true music.

Anyone who hates this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGwsXEdlJqQ doesn't appreciate true music.

BURSTIIIFIRE

[QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

Anyone who hates this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGwsXEdlJqQ doesn't appreciate true music.

kussese

Americans don't hate rap and hip hop.. you have been on the internet too long buddy. Rap and hip hop artists are some of the most successful and famous in the US... how does that equate to hate?

Alot of people hate it becuase they think rappers just steal music and talk over it, if it was that easy i would be rapping lol

sampling is an art, and not just hip hop uses samples

Alot of people hate it becuase they think rappers just steal music and talk over it, if it was that easy i would be rapping lol

sampling is an art, and not just hip hop uses samples

emb4

[QUOTE="kussese"][QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

Anyone who hates this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGwsXEdlJqQ doesn't appreciate true music.

stevenk4k5

RAP / HIP HOP music defines America and its a youth / style icon . Still i see lots of people from America hating on Rap / Hip Hop Music and blaming it for ruining POP culture .

indzman

It did ruin America's Pop Culture.

It did ruin America's Pop Culture.

Strormbringer

[QUOTE="emb4"]

Alot of people hate it becuase they think rappers just steal music and talk over it, if it was that easy i would be rapping lol

sampling is an art, and not just hip hop uses samples

Ravensmash

Yeah. Midnight In A Perfect World is such an incredible song.

Mind as well bring out Girl Talk. Great stuff in the sampling department.

[QUOTE="Strormbringer"]

It did ruin America's Pop Culture.

emb4

Changed for the worse. Gang Warfare,Gang Territory and Graffiti is not cool.

RAP / HIP HOP music defines America and its a youth / style icon . Still i see lots of people from America hating on Rap / Hip Hop Music and blaming it for ruining POP culture .

indzman

because they do not find it to their liking? Why does anyone dislike anything? There are hundreds of reasons.

And rap did not ruin pop culture. Pop culture ruined rap

[QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

Anyone who hates this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGwsXEdlJqQ doesn't appreciate true music.

kussese

I guess that's a matter of taste, I personally love the flute in this track. Anyways here's another great track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfBOeu9m64E (no flute lol)...tell me what you think?

[QUOTE="emb4"][QUOTE="Strormbringer"]

It did ruin America's Pop Culture.

Strormbringer

Changed for the worse. Gang Warfare,Gang Territory and Graffiti is not cool.

[QUOTE="Strormbringer"]

[QUOTE="emb4"] it changed Americas culture in the same way jazz and rock and roll didbigdcstile

Changed for the worse. Gang Warfare,Gang Territory and Graffiti is not cool.

LMAO this is a perfect response to his argument: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzeZhCt5PVA

[QUOTE="bigdcstile"][QUOTE="Strormbringer"]

Changed for the worse. Gang Warfare,Gang Territory and Graffiti is not cool.

BURSTIIIFIRE

LMAO this is a perfect response to his argument: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzeZhCt5PVA

i can't believe I slept on that song back in the days until I saw the video now. It's toooo deep

[QUOTE="emb4"][QUOTE="Strormbringer"]

It did ruin America's Pop Culture.

Strormbringer

Changed for the worse. Gang Warfare,Gang Territory and Graffiti is not cool.

Not all of rap/hip hop is bad. It's the mainstream that sucks. I like rap/hip hop but not as much as I used to. I prefer listening to the older stuff, you know before we had "stanky leg", waka flocka flame , and nem. But everyone has an opinion just like I don't care for metal because you're (from what I've heard anyways) hearing someone yell the whole time in the song. (in metal)I LIKE CHICKEN WINGS! I LIKE COLLARD GREENS! I LIKE PEELING THINGS! AND I LIKE DRINKING TEA! :P Everyone has different tastes.

[QUOTE="Strormbringer"]

[QUOTE="emb4"] it changed Americas culture in the same way jazz and rock and roll didmems_1224

Changed for the worse. Gang Warfare,Gang Territory and Graffiti is not cool.

I enjoy quite a few rap/hip hop artists, mostly stuff that I grew up listening to. The stuff coming out these days just isn't the same.

A lot of the people on this site are a certain kind of person. Not the kind of people who like rap music.

But in real life, outside of a video game website, a LOT of people in the United States like rap music.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Strormbringer"]

Changed for the worse. Gang Warfare,Gang Territory and Graffiti is not cool.

Strormbringer

I love this song... not your typical rap song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbN6VkleO48