Why Americans Hate RAP / HIP HOP music ?

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Exactly. Now if only Rappers knew this.

Nibroc420

Someone hasn't heard of Lupe Fiasco, Nas, or Common now has he?

And rhyming is rap, I can say rock is just wailing on instruments and singing over it and be as ignorant as the rappers you hate just like you.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Exactly. Now if only Rappers knew this.

Nibroc420

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36KlClKteU

RAP / HIP HOP music defines America and its a youth / style icon . Still i see lots of people from America hating on Rap / Hip Hop Music and blaming it for ruining POP culture .

indzman

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] no i mean that was a really dumb and ignorant onestevenk4k5

Hip-Hop's a/was a culture that incorporated a lot of things back in the mid 70's. B-boying, MCing, DJing/turntable, graffiti art. Rap music/MCing spawned from DJing as often they would have an MC artist accompanying a DJ. Record companies couldn't initially see the turntable as commercially viable so instead they focused on rap. Then you got groups like the Sugar Hills Gang.

AFAIK most of the derp derp I kill that ****** and hoes and dope and crack and dippldee doo wap wap shama llama the banana obama crap initially came from the Gangsta rap in the late 80s.

Americans don't hate rap/hip hop. Otherwise it wouldn't have arisen here and succeeded.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Exactly. Now if only Rappers knew this.

Nibroc420

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36KlClKteU

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the guitar and yelling".

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Nice response, instead of actually countering his argument you just choose to ignore it. I like rap/hip hop - it varies as much as any other genre, it can be happy and positive, or the opposite. And actually, that's not something you can say about all genres anyway.JML897

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36KlClKteU

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Nice response, instead of actually countering his argument you just choose to ignore it. I like rap/hip hop - it varies as much as any other genre, it can be happy and positive, or the opposite. And actually, that's not something you can say about all genres anyway.JML897

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36KlClKteU

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

I knew you were going to post that. :)

Your link destroys his argument completely, but don't expect an intelligent reply. He'll just ignore it.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I read his whole post. However I've yet to see a talented rapper. They all just steal beats and rhyme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36KlClKteU

GreySeal9

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

I knew you were going to post that. :)

:lol: I guess my fanboyism makes things a little predictable.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I read his whole post. However I've yet to see a talented rapper. They all just steal beats and rhyme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36KlClKteU

Nibroc420

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

Did you even look at his link? :?

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I read his whole post. However I've yet to see a talented rapper. They all just steal beats and rhyme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36KlClKteU

GreySeal9

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

I knew you were going to post that. :)

Your link destroys his argument completely, but don't expect an intelligent reply. He'll just ignore it.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="JML897"]

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

JML897

I knew you were going to post that. :)

:lol: I guess my fanboyism makes things a little predictable.

It's a great example though.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="JML897"]

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

bigdcstile

I knew you were going to post that. :)

Your link destroys his argument completely, but don't expect an intelligent reply. He'll just ignore it.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I read his whole post. However I've yet to see a talented rapper. They all just steal beats and rhyme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36KlClKteU

GreySeal9

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

I knew you were going to post that. :)

Your link destroys his argument completely, but don't expect an intelligent reply. He'll just ignore it.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="JML897"]

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

GreySeal9

Did you even look at his link? :?

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I read his whole post. However I've yet to see a talented rapper. They all just steal beats and rhyme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36KlClKteU

Nibroc420

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

Oh really?

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="JML897"]

Check this out. The beat isn't stolen -- hell they're playing acoustically, the beat can't really be stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5HY06FfJ0

And besides "They just steal beats and rhyme" is oversimplifying it out of ignorance. That would be like if I said metal is "just some guys doing things on the gutair and yelling".

higgydiggy

Oh really?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Wrong. Because "doing things on the guitar" requires 1000's times more skill than simply taking the arpeggio of a song and rhyming about drugs and hoes.Nibroc420

Did you even look at his link? :?

Thanks for posting that, amazing song :) Now to check out more stuff by them!Ravensmash

Their early stuff is a lot different from their recent stuff. Most people (myself included) agree that A Piece of Strange is their best album. The Gates from that album still blows my mind.

I love their newest one too and you can (legally) stream it for free on bandcamp.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Wrong. Because "doing things on the guitar" requires 1000's times more skill than simply taking the arpeggio of a song and rhyming about drugs and hoes.Nibroc420

Did you even look at his link? :?

Andre 3000 plays several instruments, yet you seemed to ignore everything I posted with him in it.

[QUOTE="higgydiggy"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Wrong. Because "doing things on the guitar" requires 1000's times more skill than simply taking the arpeggio of a song and rhyming about drugs and hoes.Nibroc420

Oh really?

Because in my opinion it sounds like ghetto garbage and I want nothing to do with it. I want to hear someone sing, not some person rhyme words together to a generic beat.

Rap/hip hop doesn't define our youth. Maybe our innercity youth, but not every single person in America.

[QUOTE="higgydiggy"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Wrong. Because "doing things on the guitar" requires 1000's times more skill than simply taking the arpeggio of a song and rhyming about drugs and hoes.Nibroc420

Oh really?

So you're saying because this song uses a sample it's a terrible stereotypical rap?

I don't hate rap/hip-hop, I just don't care for the genre, so there's very few artists or songs I like from it.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Did you even look at his link? :?

jeremiah06

Anyways, "Just the two of us" by will smith, honesly? It's a freaking cover.

"Keep ya head up" The track they rapped over is far from original, ~3 minutes in the "ooh ooh child things are gonna get easier" kicks in, and i was like "yea, how's this original?"

I'm not going to go through EVERY link everyone's posted in this thread, explaining what's stolen and from where. If you can't hear it, enjoy ignorance, but dont claim that those artists are original.

Because in my opinion it sounds like ghetto garbage and I want nothing to do with it. I want to hear someone sing, not some person rhyme words together to a generic beat.

CHOASXIII

You do realize that there's a ton of rap that has singing in it, right?

This sounds like ghetto garbage?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdAIMCKK_-w

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Thanks for posting that, amazing song :) Now to check out more stuff by them!JML897

Their early stuff is a lot different from their recent stuff. Most people (myself included) agree that A Piece of Strange is their best album. The Gates from that album still blows my mind.

I love their newest one too and you can stream it for free on bandcamp.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="higgydiggy"]

Oh really?

Ravensmash

Music has 2 parts to it, the lyrics, and the instrumental. 99% of rappers steal the instrumental, and then just rhyme about drugs and hoes. How is that not stealing?

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

Because in my opinion it sounds like ghetto garbage and I want nothing to do with it. I want to hear someone sing, not some person rhyme words together to a generic beat.

GreySeal9

You do realize that there's a ton of rap that has singing in it, right?

This sounds like ghetto garbage?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdAIMCKK_-w

The point is, I don't like rap at all. I hate the beats, the rapping, the whole thing in general. I don't like it.

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Just finished listening to it. Their guitarist needs some work :S Regardless, you've managed to find one group that actually plays an instrument as well as rhyming. While i can agree they're clearly more talented then the average rapper. It doesn't change the fact that the majority of rappers out there merely steal beats and rhyme about drugs and hoes.Nibroc420

Anyways, "Just the two of us" by will smith, honesly? It's a freaking cover.

"Keep ya head up" The track they rapped over is far from original, ~3 minutes in the "ooh ooh child things are gonna get easier" kicks in, and i was like "yea, how's this original?"

I'm not going to go through EVERY link everyone's posted in this thread, explaining what's stolen and from where. If you can't hear it, enjoy ignorance, but dont claim that those artists are original.

You're ignoring the links because many of them destroy your argument, but you don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] Ignored my links did you?GreySeal9

Anyways, "Just the two of us" by will smith, honesly? It's a freaking cover.

"Keep ya head up" The track they rapped over is far from original, ~3 minutes in the "ooh ooh child things are gonna get easier" kicks in, and i was like "yea, how's this original?"

I'm not going to go through EVERY link everyone's posted in this thread, explaining what's stolen and from where. If you can't hear it, enjoy ignorance, but dont claim that those artists are original.

You're ignoring the links because many of them destroy your argument, but you don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="JML897"]

Oh really?

higgydiggy

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Thanks for posting that, amazing song :) Now to check out more stuff by them!JML897

Their early stuff is a lot different from their recent stuff. Most people (myself included) agree that A Piece of Strange is their best album. The Gates from that album still blows my mind.

I love their newest one too and you can stream it for free on bandcamp.

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Just finished listening to it. Their guitarist needs some work :S Regardless, you've managed to find one group that actually plays an instrument as well as rhyming. While i can agree they're clearly more talented then the average rapper. It doesn't change the fact that the majority of rappers out there merely steal beats and rhyme about drugs and hoes.Nibroc420

Anyways, "Just the two of us" by will smith, honesly? It's a freaking cover.

"Keep ya head up" The track they rapped over is far from original, ~3 minutes in the "ooh ooh child things are gonna get easier" kicks in, and i was like "yea, how's this original?"

I'm not going to go through EVERY link everyone's posted in this thread, explaining what's stolen and from where. If you can't hear it, enjoy ignorance, but dont claim that those artists are original.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

Because in my opinion it sounds like ghetto garbage and I want nothing to do with it. I want to hear someone sing, not some person rhyme words together to a generic beat.

CHOASXIII

You do realize that there's a ton of rap that has singing in it, right?

This sounds like ghetto garbage?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdAIMCKK_-w

The point is, I don't like rap at all. I hate the beats, the rapping, the whole thing in general. I don't like it.

It's one thing if you just don't like it. I'm not going to make someone like something that I like -- if rap isn't your thing that's cool.

It's the "it all sounds like ghetto garbage" comment that I have an issue with.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] takes while to listen to all 5 songs and comment on them all -.- Honestly i was but i accidently closed the tab on firefox :(

Anyways, "Just the two of us" by will smith, honesly? It's a freaking cover.

"Keep ya head up" The track they rapped over is far from original, ~3 minutes in the "ooh ooh child things are gonna get easier" kicks in, and i was like "yea, how's this original?"

I'm not going to go through EVERY link everyone's posted in this thread, explaining what's stolen and from where. If you can't hear it, enjoy ignorance, but dont claim that those artists are original.

Nibroc420

You're ignoring the links because many of them destroy your argument, but you don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

Because in my opinion it sounds like ghetto garbage and I want nothing to do with it. I want to hear someone sing, not some person rhyme words together to a generic beat.

CHOASXIII

You do realize that there's a ton of rap that has singing in it, right?

This sounds like ghetto garbage?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdAIMCKK_-w

The point is, I don't like rap at all. I hate the beats, the rapping, the whole thing in general. I don't like it.

Fine, but some of the production is far from generic.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"] Ignored my links did you?Ravensmash

Anyways, "Just the two of us" by will smith, honesly? It's a freaking cover.

"Keep ya head up" The track they rapped over is far from original, ~3 minutes in the "ooh ooh child things are gonna get easier" kicks in, and i was like "yea, how's this original?"

I'm not going to go through EVERY link everyone's posted in this thread, explaining what's stolen and from where. If you can't hear it, enjoy ignorance, but dont claim that those artists are original.

Find me a rap where. 1.) the Beat isn't stolen from another song. 2.) there's little to no swearing (occasionally for effect is fine) 3.) They're not just rhyming about how hard their life is, and how much coke/how many "hoes" they have. 4.) it actually sounds good. Good luck.Nibroc420

Because in my opinion it sounds like ghetto garbage and I want nothing to do with it. I want to hear someone sing, not some person rhyme words together to a generic beat.

CHOASXIII

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Thanks for posting that, amazing song :) Now to check out more stuff by them!JML897

Their early stuff is a lot different from their recent stuff. Most people (myself included) agree that A Piece of Strange is their best album. The Gates from that album still blows my mind.

I love their newest one too and you can (legally) stream it for free on bandcamp.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Thanks for posting that, amazing song :) Now to check out more stuff by them!Ravensmash

Their early stuff is a lot different from their recent stuff. Most people (myself included) agree that A Piece of Strange is their best album. The Gates from that album still blows my mind.

I love their newest one too and you can (legally) stream it for free on bandcamp.

Can't think of anything off the top of my head, sorry. :(

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] takes while to listen to all 5 songs and comment on them all -.- Honestly i was but i accidently closed the tab on firefox :(

Anyways, "Just the two of us" by will smith, honesly? It's a freaking cover.

"Keep ya head up" The track they rapped over is far from original, ~3 minutes in the "ooh ooh child things are gonna get easier" kicks in, and i was like "yea, how's this original?"

I'm not going to go through EVERY link everyone's posted in this thread, explaining what's stolen and from where. If you can't hear it, enjoy ignorance, but dont claim that those artists are original.

Nibroc420

You're ignoring the links because many of them destroy your argument, but you don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.

You're dead wrong because most of the links posted DID NOT steal anyone else's music. The guy you quoted just happened to post songs that took from others. You were shown several links that didn't but you didn't reply to them because they destroyed your laughable argument.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Find me a rap where. 1.) the Beat isn't stolen from another song. 2.) there's little to no swearing (occasionally for effect is fine) 3.) They're not just rhyming about how hard their life is, and how much coke/how many "hoes" they have. 4.) it actually sounds good. Good luck.ZIVX

Purexed

C'mon man. There is a whole lot of hip hop out there. I don't even see how using samples is a negative. Whatever makes a song work is what's important.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

You're ignoring the links because many of them destroy your argument, but you don't have the balls to admit you're wrong.

GreySeal9

You're dead wrong because most of the links posted DID NOT steal anyone else's music. The guy you quoted just happened to post songs that took from others. You were shown several links that didn't but you didn't reply to them because they destroyed your laughable argument.

I'm not going to sit here and listen to terribad rap for 30-40 minutes, while everyone posts new "proof" that while the first 10-15 songs were unoriginal, these next ones surely are!

No need to get super defensive. Face it, most rappers steal beats, and then rhyme over it with lyrics involving drugs,money,hoes,violence, and they usually incorperate swearing cause it makes them feel cooler.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I'm ignoring them because listening to 40 different songs that are ~3-4 minutes each takes awhile. Every time i go "yeah, the background is from this other song" someone posts another 2-3 links. I'm not wrong, you just cant see there's no talent in rapping over someone else's song.Nibroc420

You're dead wrong because most of the links posted DID NOT steal anyone else's music. The guy you quoted just happened to post songs that took from others. You were shown several links that didn't but you didn't reply to them because they destroyed your laughable argument.

I'm not going to sit here and listen to terribad rap for 30-40 minutes, while everyone posts new "proof" that while the first 10-15 songs were unoriginal, these next ones surely are!

No need to get super defensive. Face it, most rappers steal beats, and then rhyme over it with lyrics involving drugs,money,hoes,violence, and they usually incorperate swearing cause it makes them feel cooler.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] takes while to listen to all 5 songs and comment on them all -.- Honestly i was but i accidently closed the tab on firefox :(

Anyways, "Just the two of us" by will smith, honesly? It's a freaking cover.

"Keep ya head up" The track they rapped over is far from original, ~3 minutes in the "ooh ooh child things are gonna get easier" kicks in, and i was like "yea, how's this original?"

I'm not going to go through EVERY link everyone's posted in this thread, explaining what's stolen and from where. If you can't hear it, enjoy ignorance, but dont claim that those artists are original.

Nibroc420

But this is taking someone else's work and making something original from it ;)