We aren't afraid of g@ys we are pro traditional marriage

Your confusing your specific idea of Christianity with Christianity as a whole.

toast_burner

Christianity as a whole rejects Homosexual marraige and those that support it are going against aposotlic tradition, the bible and every other possible authority the Christian has. This is a recent innovation and thus cannot be treated as Christian. Its like suggesting Chrislam is Christian.

Seriously this topic isn't even interesting. Who the fvck cares if gays are getting married or not? Who the fvck???

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] I'm sorry, but it simply is. When people enter into a marriage, they are agreeing to only have sex with their partner for the rest of their lives. It is a means of regulating sexual conduct, and thus, the production of children. fidosim

Sorry, but insisting that a thing is so does not make it so.

The sky is green. Sorry but it simply is.

As this is such a controversial topic I'll simply quote someone who can articulate the thoughts I have with better accuracy:

It is wise that our laws define marriage as between a man and a woman.

This is not because homosexual practice or same-sex relationships should be legally stopped. Rather, it?s because they should not be legally sanctioned. The issue is not whether same-sex unions are permitted, but whether they are institutionalized. The issue is not whether we tolerate same-sex relationships, but whether we build on them as a foundation for society. The issue is not whether we forbid a particular sin, but whether we mandate social approval of that sin. The issue is not whether we block a sinful behavior, but whether we imbed it in our laws.

I am not making a case for the legal prosecution of homosexual practice. Nor would I advocate the legal prosecution of heterosexual fornication. But I would make a case against the institutionalization of fornication, or making it a building block of society, or mandating its approval, or imbedding it in our laws. It is one thing to tolerate sin. It is another to build society on it.

mindstorm

I would say at least let them have civil unions so they can recieve the financial benefits that other people recieve through marriage otherwise you're just limiting the rights of people for being homesexual/bisexual.

You can produce more children by fornicating with everything in sight, but that doesn't change the purpose of marriage. fidosim

In your opinion. Teenaged

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Just because you say the purpose of marriage is to produce children doesn't make it so.

fidosim

You are trying to somehow portray your views on marriage as a valid interpretation of how couples actually "work" but the fact that it isnt a valid interpretation shows how it is actually an attempt to define the purpose of marriage regardless of societal norms that have affected it over the centuries.

Short version, dont try and present your opinion as something we can clearly see around us.

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THE_DRUGGIE

Given that he was a baptist and bible believing Christian, he probably didn't like homosexuality.

Seriously this topic isn't even interesting. Who the fvck cares if gays are getting married or not? Who the fvck???

themajormayor

Canada > USA

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Your confusing your specific idea of Christianity with Christianity as a whole.

Philokalia

Christianity as a whole rejects Homosexual marraige and those that support it are going against aposotlic tradition, the bible and every other possible authority the Christian has. This is a recent innovation and thus cannot be treated as Christian. Its like suggesting Chrislam is Christian.

[QUOTE="fidosim"]You can produce more children by fornicating with everything in sight, but that doesn't change the purpose of marriage. Jandurin

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] One can say that same-sex marriage is secular but I disagree. They can have a commitment to one another, sure, but to say that a homosexual marriage is the exact same thing as a Christian marriage is completely untrue. Marriage is not simply a wedding of two people who care for one another but a physical and spiritual bond is to occur between the two parties.mindstorm

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]In your opinion. fidosim

And marriage as a way to aquire title, property and wealth or to form alliances goes back even farther.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

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Philokalia

Given that he was a baptist and bible believing Christian, he probably didn't like homosexuality.

??????

I'm talking about this on a political theory level. What's with you?

:lol: It's not just my opinion. Marriage as a child-rearing institution goes back millennia. The idea of "marrying" someone because you've fallen in love with them is a relatively new construct. fidosim

Are you so convinced than an argument from tradition holds water that a smug lol emoticon is warranted? I can understand the delusion of thinking you're right but actually being deluded that you have proven that you are right.... is another thing altogether.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Seriously this topic isn't even interesting. Who the fvck cares if gays are getting married or not? Who the fvck???

Aljosa23

Canada > USA

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="fidosim"]You can produce more children by fornicating with everything in sight, but that doesn't change the purpose of marriage. fidosim

Who the fvck cares. only stupid closeted homosexual people with small penises would even oppose gay marriage. l4dak47

Huh. I suppose my priest who is married and has three children is a secret homosexual... Good lord just look at what your typing.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]That's rude, sir.Jandurin

Given that he was a baptist and bible believing Christian, he probably didn't like homosexuality.

Philokalia

The sound of the point going over your head.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

As this is such a controversial topic I'll simply quote someone who can articulate the thoughts I have with better accuracy:

It is wise that our laws define marriage as between a man and a woman.

This is not because homosexual practice or same-sex relationships should be legally stopped. Rather, it?s because they should not be legally sanctioned. The issue is not whether same-sex unions are permitted, but whether they are institutionalized. The issue is not whether we tolerate same-sex relationships, but whether we build on them as a foundation for society. The issue is not whether we forbid a particular sin, but whether we mandate social approval of that sin. The issue is not whether we block a sinful behavior, but whether we imbed it in our laws.

I am not making a case for the legal prosecution of homosexual practice. Nor would I advocate the legal prosecution of heterosexual fornication. But I would make a case against the institutionalization of fornication, or making it a building block of society, or mandating its approval, or imbedding it in our laws. It is one thing to tolerate sin. It is another to build society on it.

Moriarity_

I would say at least let them have civil unions so they can recieve the financial benefits that other people recieve through marriage otherwise you're just limiting the rights of people for being homesexual/bisexual.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Who the fvck cares. only stupid closeted homosexual people with small penises would even oppose gay marriage. Philokalia

Huh. I suppose my priest who is married and has three children is a secret homosexual... Good lord just look at what your typing.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

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Philokalia

Given that he was a baptist and bible believing Christian, he probably didn't like homosexuality.

He also had numerous affairs, so he'd be in no positition to judge the marriages of others.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Seriously this topic isn't even interesting. Who the fvck cares if gays are getting married or not? Who the fvck???

Aljosa23

Canada > USA

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Sorry, but insisting that a thing is so does not make it so.

worlock77

The sky is green. Sorry but it simply is.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]That's rude, sir.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Bucked20"]I would rather go by real life not some random bs on the internet almasdeathchild

Probably. Or a pedo. Either one. l4dak47

And with that I bid thee farewell.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Probably. Or a pedo. Either one. Philokalia

And with that I bid thee farewell.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

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worlock77

Given that he was a baptist and bible believing Christian, he probably didn't like homosexuality.

He also had numerous affairs, so he'd be in no positition to judge the marriages of others.

Uh guys, I'm talking in the context of political theory here.

Which has

like

nothing to do with the guy's personal life

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]So? Why can't gays have a spiritual bond? Would you say that Hindus shouldn't be allowed to marry as it wasn't approved by YOUR god?

toast_burner

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] :lol: Ok then. fidosim

The sky is green. Sorry but it simply is.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Probably. Or a pedo. Either one. l4dak47

And with that I bid thee farewell.

I credit myself with having manners and treating individuals well...SolidSnake35

I dont understand why christians seem to think they own marrage. Marrage is a practice and tradition performed by many cultures under many religions. Christians dont own the rights to the term marrage. And the US of A is not a christian country, despite what many people seem to think.

There should be a legal marrage and a separate christian marrage with no legal rights assosiated with it. If people want to be married under law AND "under god" they should perform both actions.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] :lol: Ok then. fidosim

The sky is green. Sorry but it simply is.

It's a bit more than simply having sex with each other until death. Christ, you're arguing nearly as bad as Bucked. It's the union of two lives, two people who pledge to love, honor, respect, suppot and protect each other.

You can produce more children by fornicating with everything in sight, but that doesn't change the purpose of marriage. fidosim

Um, of course it does? If the purpose of marriage is the production of children (ie a biological imperative), polygamy would be the superior form of marriage -- the fittest male (ie whoever attracts the most mates) would have the best chance of producing offspring and continuing the species.

On the other hand, if the purpose of marriage is simply a social construct based on something between love, "we're probably less likely to screw the parenthood thing up if there's two of us" and "rents cheaper if we split it", why does the sexuality of the couple matter?

I dont understand why christians seem to think they own marrage. Marrage is a practice and tradition performed by many cultures under many religions. Christians dont own the rights to the term marrage. And the US of A is not a christian country, despite what many people seem to think.

There should be a legal marrage and a separate christian marrage with no legal rights assosiated with it. If people want to be married under law AND "under god" they should perform both actions.

teethofthesea

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] They can be married in a sense, yes, but it would not be the Christian marriage I speak of. However, I will admit to take this particular statement with a grain of salt as this is a question that I have struggled with for a time. I have not yet found an answer that I am wholeheartedly in favor of but the above is my current position.mindstorm

I'm not mistaken when I say that you think marriage is a union before god? So if your union is done before the wrong god, then you marriage isn't real is it?

What do you mean the government simply approves of marriage? You can get married in a registry office (unless your gay in which case it's a civil union) Marriage is completely separate from religion.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

The sky is green. Sorry but it simply is.

worlock77

It's a bit more than simply having sex with each other until death. Christ, you're arguing nearly as bad as Bucked. It's the union of two lives, two people who pledge to love, honor, respect, suppot and protect each other.

Gay marriage for some, miniature American flags for others. senses_fail_06

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I credit myself with having manners and treating individuals well...Jandurin

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

The sky is green. Sorry but it simply is.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I credit myself with having manners and treating individuals well...SolidSnake35

So basically what you mean is.....if you're out with your guy friends, people will only think you're gay if gay marriage is legalized?