We aren&#039;t afraid of g@ys we are pro traditional marriage

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#1051 lx_theo

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]
it's their religion, wrong or no it's not peoples say how should they change their beliefs to fit you. You call the always oh so awesome "bigotry" argument yet you do it. The irony
I think gays should be allowed to be married, but legal civil marriage where they share legal benefits and are recognized as a couple.
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I've got nothing wrong with people sitting around believing in ponies that **** rainbows. However the second those believers group together in an attempt to make it so certain groups have less rights, I have a problem. I'm not against religious folk, i'm against religious folk who use their religion to insult others, or to limit the rights of others. You believe in god? Great that's your thing, However it really doesn't have anything to do with two people of the same sex loving each other and wanting the same rights as hetero couples. They literally have nothing in common, nor do the actions of two gays in their bedroom have anything to do with you. Why do religious folk have the right to bash gays, and discriminate constantly, Yet i dont have the right to call Religious folks out when they're being the bigots their holy books teach them to be?

im atheist FYI, but the post i answered to amde a clear distinction between accepting civil gay marriage and forcing catholics to accept gay catholic marriage.

i support gay CIVIL marriage, even if im straight im ok for rights that don't hurt anyone, but forcing to change their catholic marriage is just wrong.

I agree. Forcing the religion to do anything is wrong. As long as they are legally recognized marriages with no pressure on religion (legally) to recognize them, then there is no infringement on the freedom of religion.

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#1052 worlock77

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Guppy507"]Its the 21st century, why shouldn't "Christian and Jewish traditions" keep up with the times?Krelian-co

For some reason Religious folk think they're are allowed to be bigots, because they think they're being told by an invisible dude in the sky that it's okay.

it's their religion, wrong or no it's not peoples say how should they change their beliefs to fit you. You call the always oh so awesome "bigotry" argument yet you do it. The irony

I think gays should be allowed to be married, but legal civil marriage where they share legal benefits and are recognized as a couple.

The only problem is that civil unions do not carry the same benefits as marriage.

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#1053 Krelian-co

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] For some reason Religious folk think they're are allowed to be bigots, because they think they're being told by an invisible dude in the sky that it's okay.worlock77

it's their religion, wrong or no it's not peoples say how should they change their beliefs to fit you. You call the always oh so awesome "bigotry" argument yet you do it. The irony

I think gays should be allowed to be married, but legal civil marriage where they share legal benefits and are recognized as a couple.

The only problem is that civil unions do not carry the same benefits as marriage.

i dont know much about laws but civil marriage in terms of legal issues should carry the same benefits, but i'm not sure.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]
it's their religion, wrong or no it's not peoples say how should they change their beliefs to fit you. You call the always oh so awesome "bigotry" argument yet you do it. The irony
I think gays should be allowed to be married, but legal civil marriage where they share legal benefits and are recognized as a couple.
Krelian-co

The only problem is that civil unions do not carry the same benefits as marriage.

i dont know much about laws but civil marriage in terms of legal issues should carry the same benefits, but i'm not sure.

If it's the same, why give it a different name?

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#1055 lx_theo

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]
it's their religion, wrong or no it's not peoples say how should they change their beliefs to fit you. You call the always oh so awesome "bigotry" argument yet you do it. The irony
I think gays should be allowed to be married, but legal civil marriage where they share legal benefits and are recognized as a couple.
Krelian-co

The only problem is that civil unions do not carry the same benefits as marriage.

i dont know much about laws but civil marriage in terms of legal issues should carry the same benefits, but i'm not sure.

Marriages recognized legally, but not made to be recognized by religious institutions, is the best option. Civil unions are similar, but not the same as marriage.

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#1056 Guybrush_3

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
The only problem is that civil unions do not carry the same benefits as marriage.
lx_theo

i dont know much about laws but civil marriage in terms of legal issues should carry the same benefits, but i'm not sure.

Marriages recognized legally, but not made to be recognized by religious institutions, is the best option. Civil unions are similar, but not the same as marriage.

No religious institution is required to recognize ANY marriage in the US as far as I am aware.

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#1057 worlock77

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]
[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]
it's their religion, wrong or no it's not peoples say how should they change their beliefs to fit you. You call the always oh so awesome "bigotry" argument yet you do it. The irony
I think gays should be allowed to be married, but legal civil marriage where they share legal benefits and are recognized as a couple.
Krelian-co

The only problem is that civil unions do not carry the same benefits as marriage.

i dont know much about laws but civil marriage in terms of legal issues should carry the same benefits, but i'm not sure.

They don't carry the same legal benefits.

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#1058 001011000101101

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I have noting against gay people getting married. That's their choice. I'm not religious at all, but I really don't think they should be able to get married in a church though. It just seems... wrong.

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#1059 HoolaHoopMan

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I have noting against gay people getting married. That's their choice. I'm not religious at all, but I really don't think they should be able to get married in a church though. It just seems... wrong. 001011000101101

For the last fvcking time, Churches are not going to be forced to marry homosexuals.

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#1060 Guybrush_3

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I have noting against gay people getting married. That's their choice. I'm not religious at all, but I really don't think they should be able to get married in a church though. It just seems... wrong. 001011000101101

multiple gay couples have been married in my parents' church, and it's not even legally recognized where they live.

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#1061 themajormayor

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[QUOTE="001011000101101"]I have noting against gay people getting married. That's their choice. I'm not religious at all, but I really don't think they should be able to get married in a church though. It just seems... wrong. HoolaHoopMan

For the last fvcking time, Churches are not going to be forced to marry homosexuals.

They should be if it's a state funded church like where I live

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#1062 Nibroc420

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="001011000101101"]I have noting against gay people getting married. That's their choice. I'm not religious at all, but I really don't think they should be able to get married in a church though. It just seems... wrong. themajormayor

For the last fvcking time, Churches are not going to be forced to marry homosexuals.

They should be if it's a state funded church like where I live

That should be illegal. "Come citizens, come give us money so we can protect you, build your roads, and indoctrinate your children" Yeah... then we end up with Hicks teaching our children creationism.

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#1063 themajormayor

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] For the last fvcking time, Churches are not going to be forced to marry homosexuals.

They should be if it's a state funded church like where I live

That should be illegal. "Come citizens, come give us money so we can protect you, build your roads, and indoctrinate your children" Yeah... then we end up with Hicks teaching our children creationism.

Yeah I agree. This is in Sweden. Supposedly the most secular country in the world. They don't teach creationism at all though. Or anything really. In fact the marry gay people. Still shouldn't be funded by the state though. I'm against the state funding people's hobbies.

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#1064 HoolaHoopMan

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="001011000101101"]I have noting against gay people getting married. That's their choice. I'm not religious at all, but I really don't think they should be able to get married in a church though. It just seems... wrong. themajormayor

For the last fvcking time, Churches are not going to be forced to marry homosexuals.

They should be if it's a state funded church like where I live

Your state funds churches? In what way?

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#1065 Nibroc420

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I'm against the state funding people's hobbies. themajormayor

That's not quite as bad. I mean, what if someone's hobby was saving stray dogs from being put down? I just refuse to aide any society that has been known to discriminate and hate anyone who isn't a member. And in order to be a member you have to believe that science is a lie, gays are evil, and everyone who isn't a member is in need of "Saving"

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#1066 themajormayor

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] For the last fvcking time, Churches are not going to be forced to marry homosexuals.

They should be if it's a state funded church like where I live

Your state funds churches? In what way?

Just about until recently we had a state church. It isn't anymore but they still get tax money I think

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#1067 HoolaHoopMan

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] They should be if it's a state funded church like where I livethemajormayor

Your state funds churches? In what way?

Just about until recently we had a state church. It isn't anymore but they still get tax money I think

Not fond of funding religious institutions, but taxing them...yes.

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#1068 battlefront23

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It's the straight people's fault! They keep having gay babies! Fascists!

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#1069 themajormayor

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Your state funds churches? In what way? HoolaHoopMan

Just about until recently we had a state church. It isn't anymore but they still get tax money I think

Not fond of funding religious institutions, but taxing them...yes.

No they are funded by taxes I mean. Probably pays taxes too. I dunno it's fvcked up here

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#1070 THE_DRUGGIE

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It's the straight people's fault! They keep having gay babies! Fascists!
battlefront23

Why you gotta hate on gay babies?

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#1071 surrealnumber5

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[QUOTE="battlefront23"]
It's the straight people's fault! They keep having gay babies! Fascists!
THE_DRUGGIE

Why you gotta hate on gay babies?

because they give innocent priests a bad name a few years later.

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#1072 jesuschristmonk

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]"You're not allowed to have that opinion! It's wrong! You MUST accept gay marriage or you're WRONG," cried OTPerson0

Some opinions are less important then others. Especially ones that make no logical sense and are just due to bigotry.

Like AussiePet believing the earth has existed for 2012 (w/e the date is) years. It's like believing red is actually blue.

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#1073 DroidPhysX

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[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"] Like AussiePet believing the earth has existed for 2012 (w/e the date is) years.

wut

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#1074 cee1gee

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keep marriage traditional with a man and woman. polygamy is wrong and i feel same sex marriage is wrong also

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#1075 Krelian-co

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
The only problem is that civil unions do not carry the same benefits as marriage.
worlock77

i dont know much about laws but civil marriage in terms of legal issues should carry the same benefits, but i'm not sure.

They don't carry the same legal benefits.

then thats the first mistake, why religious marriage has more importance than civil marriage from a legal standpoint?

government must give the same benefits to everyone

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then thats the first mistake, why religious marriage has more importance than civil marriage from a legal standpoint?
government must give the same benefits to everyone
Krelian-co

The instituition of marriage in the US isn't regulated(for lack of a better word) by religious groups. Some people choose to just have a religous ceremony when they get married. They still have to get a marriage license from their state.

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#1077 jesuschristmonk

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"] Like AussiePet believing the earth has existed for 2012 (w/e the date is) years.

wut

I heard her mention that once, and couldn't get it out of my head.

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#1078 chrisrooR

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Why do you care? Really, why does anyone care about anyone but themselves if they aren't being affected in any physically detrimental way? As long as it's consensual, why the f*ck does it matter if it's called "marriage" or "union". Why is this such a big deal. Perhaps we should focus on the suffering economy and other issues that actually affect everyone. Let people marry whatever they want. Someone wants to marry a goat? Fine. Let them. Who the f*ck am I to deny them that right. And who are you to deny them that right? If it's consensual, makes someone happy, and results in equal treatment, why should anyone be denied that?

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#1079 chrisrooR

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keep marriage traditional with a man and woman. polygamy is wrong and i feel same sex marriage is wrong also
cee1gee

So we should also keep with the tradition of stoning adulterers and dismembering thieves so they're unable to use their hands. Seriously, how far back is too far back for "traditional" values. This kind of backward, oldschool way of thinking irks me. Great, so you feel same sex marriage is wrong. That's fine, but why should they be denied the right to be happy? Just because you "feel" it's wrong? Focus on yourself, and the relationships in your own life.

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#1080 jesuschristmonk

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"]
keep marriage traditional with a man and woman. polygamy is wrong and i feel same sex marriage is wrong also
chrisrooR

So we should also keep with the tradition of stoning adulterers and dismembering thieves so they're unable to use their hands. Seriously, how far back is too far back for "traditional" values. This kind of backward, oldschool way of thinking irks me. Great, so you feel same sex marriage is wrong. That's fine, but why should they be denied the right to be happy? Just because you "feel" it's wrong? Focus on yourself, and the relationships in your own life.

But you're talking about logic. A lot of people don't have that lol.

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#1081 EntropyWins

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One thing that perplexes me is that conservatives don't seem to give a rat's ass about society until you mention gay marriage. They'll go on and on about how America was founded on traditional marriage and how important it is for us as a society (which is all BS), but if you point out that things like a small wealth gap and social programs are good for society they instantly switch gears to "individual liberty is the only thing that matters" and "keep yer socialist hands off my money!!!" kind of stuff.

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#1082 cee1gee

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"]
keep marriage traditional with a man and woman. polygamy is wrong and i feel same sex marriage is wrong also
chrisrooR

So we should also keep with the tradition of stoning adulterers and dismembering thieves so they're unable to use their hands. Seriously, how far back is too far back for "traditional" values. This kind of backward, oldschool way of thinking irks me. Great, so you feel same sex marriage is wrong. That's fine, but why should they be denied the right to be happy? Just because you "feel" it's wrong? Focus on yourself, and the relationships in your own life.

Im not just talking about America, im talking worldwide since beginning of times it was men and women, and it shouldnt change. Its just not natural

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#1083 chrisrooR

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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="cee1gee"]
keep marriage traditional with a man and woman. polygamy is wrong and i feel same sex marriage is wrong also
cee1gee

So we should also keep with the tradition of stoning adulterers and dismembering thieves so they're unable to use their hands. Seriously, how far back is too far back for "traditional" values. This kind of backward, oldschool way of thinking irks me. Great, so you feel same sex marriage is wrong. That's fine, but why should they be denied the right to be happy? Just because you "feel" it's wrong? Focus on yourself, and the relationships in your own life.

Im not just talking about America, im talking worldwide since beginning of times it was men and women, and it shouldnt change. Its just not natural

Well, considering that it's been demonstrated across many different species, I would indeed consider that occurring naturally in the environment. There are plenty of "traditional" values that have been discarded, and I believe that the idea of marriage being a purely religious institution is one that also needs to be discarded. I know of very few people who are actually religious, and view marriage as a religious part of life. It's a bonding of two individuals, and should have absolutely nothing to do with the sexuality of those involved. For the same reason I believe your parents should not dictate who you marry, I also believe the government should not be able to tell you who you can and cannot marry. It's ridiculous.

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#1084 Vaultboy-101

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Marriage really makes no difference to anything, it's a religious action, whuch doesn't apply to me as i'm an atheist. I want to have a union with a woman some day, but not as a christian or in a christian establishment. If they're going to cater specifically for the marriage needs of homosexuals, why not something for us non-believers that doesn't involve making statements in the name of a god I don't even believe in?

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#1085 chrisrooR

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Marriage really makes no difference to anything, it's a religious action, whuch doesn't apply to me as i'm an atheist. I want to have a union with a woman some day, but not as a christian or in a christian establishment. If they're going to cater specifically for the marriage needs of homosexuals, why not something for us non-believers that doesn't involve making statements in the name of a god I don't even believe in?
Vaultboy-101

That's the thing, marriage today is more about financial security and ensuring that legal boundaries are set within the family. It's almost entirely NOT religious now, which is why the "tradition" of marriage being a religious institution argument doesn't hold sh*t. It's a symbolic event that emphasizes the love two people have for each other. The key point being TWO PEOPLE. If you're religious, and don't believe in homosexual marriage that's fine...but how...HOW THE F*CK does it affect you in ANY way other than using the word "marriage" to define it. It's completely ridiculous, and I honestly don't understand how this is still an issue that's relevant to our society today.

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#1086 cee1gee

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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] So we should also keep with the tradition of stoning adulterers and dismembering thieves so they're unable to use their hands. Seriously, how far back is too far back for "traditional" values. This kind of backward, oldschool way of thinking irks me. Great, so you feel same sex marriage is wrong. That's fine, but why should they be denied the right to be happy? Just because you "feel" it's wrong? Focus on yourself, and the relationships in your own life.

Im not just talking about America, im talking worldwide since beginning of times it was men and women, and it shouldnt change. Its just not natural

Well, considering that it's been demonstrated across many different species, I would indeed consider that occurring naturally in the environment. There are plenty of "traditional" values that have been discarded, and I believe that the idea of marriage being a purely religious institution is one that also needs to be discarded. I know of very few people who are actually religious, and view marriage as a religious part of life. It's a bonding of two individuals, and should have absolutely nothing to do with the sexuality of those involved. For the same reason I believe your parents should not dictate who you marry, I also believe the government should not be able to tell you who you can and cannot marry. It's ridiculous.

Its not so much the Government. Its the majority of the people in the world dont want to see gay marriage. The Government dont want to risk angry mobs of extremists .

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#1087 cee1gee

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Marriage really makes no difference to anything, it's a religious action, whuch doesn't apply to me as i'm an atheist. I want to have a union with a woman some day, but not as a christian or in a christian establishment. If they're going to cater specifically for the marriage needs of homosexuals, why not something for us non-believers that doesn't involve making statements in the name of a god I don't even believe in?
Vaultboy-101

Christianity is not a religion. You have them confused with Catholics. Catholics can be Christians but Christianity has no rituals which is what religion is

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[QUOTE="Vaultboy-101"]
Marriage really makes no difference to anything, it's a religious action, whuch doesn't apply to me as i'm an atheist. I want to have a union with a woman some day, but not as a christian or in a christian establishment. If they're going to cater specifically for the marriage needs of homosexuals, why not something for us non-believers that doesn't involve making statements in the name of a god I don't even believe in?
cee1gee

Christianity is not a religion. You have them confused with Catholics. Catholics can be Christians but Christianity has no rituals which is what religion is

I am losing brain cells just by reading this.

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#1089 cee1gee

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="Vaultboy-101"]
Marriage really makes no difference to anything, it's a religious action, whuch doesn't apply to me as i'm an atheist. I want to have a union with a woman some day, but not as a christian or in a christian establishment. If they're going to cater specifically for the marriage needs of homosexuals, why not something for us non-believers that doesn't involve making statements in the name of a god I don't even believe in?
sSubZerOo

Christianity is not a religion. You have them confused with Catholics. Catholics can be Christians but Christianity has no rituals which is what religion is

I am losing brain cells just by reading this.

Alot of people in these forums always mention Christianity as a religion so i wanted to just let everyone know it isnt

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="cee1gee"] Christianity is not a religion. You have them confused with Catholics. Catholics can be Christians but Christianity has no rituals which is what religion is

I am losing brain cells just by reading this.

Alot of people in these forums always mention Christianity as a religion so i wanted to just let everyone know it isnt

................. Perhapes you should look up what Christianity is defined in the dictionary... let me help you "the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches. ".............. You have no idea what your talking about.. What is it then?

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#1091 chrisrooR

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[QUOTE="cee1gee"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="cee1gee"] Im not just talking about America, im talking worldwide since beginning of times it was men and women, and it shouldnt change. Its just not natural

Well, considering that it's been demonstrated across many different species, I would indeed consider that occurring naturally in the environment. There are plenty of "traditional" values that have been discarded, and I believe that the idea of marriage being a purely religious institution is one that also needs to be discarded. I know of very few people who are actually religious, and view marriage as a religious part of life. It's a bonding of two individuals, and should have absolutely nothing to do with the sexuality of those involved. For the same reason I believe your parents should not dictate who you marry, I also believe the government should not be able to tell you who you can and cannot marry. It's ridiculous.

Its not so much the Government. Its the majority of the people in the world dont want to see gay marriage. The Government dont want to risk angry mobs of extremists .

What? I'm talking about the United States, not the "World". And having a religious reason for not allowing two men to marry is an utter sh*t argument. You do realize that not everyone adheres to YOUR belief system? You do realize there is, or should be, a clear separation of church and state? Perhaps we should adhere to the "tradition" of fratricide and incest, as it was extremely common in ancient egypt. Hey, it's part of my religious belief system, THEREFUR EVERY1 SHOULD FOLLOW EET!

12 years ago