The death penalty, do you support it?

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

It is about power and control. Sex is easy. Anyone can get sex if they really want it. Case in point: since you brought it up: roofies. What do roofies do? Render the victim powerless right? Completely at the control of the person who drugged them.

worlock77

And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] If it was about power, they would not be sedating them but instead taking them by force. Same with Alcohol. Guys use that to get a girl so wasted that she has no idea what she was even doing or even remember. If sex was so easy, there would be no such thing as prostitutes. Sure. There are instances of rape for power but in most instances, they just want to get laid and a below average looking male can go years without sex unless its with somebody as disgusting looking as him. Most the time, rape for power is nothing more than feminist propaganda.The_Lipscomb

And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.

it is in some places

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.

lostrib

it is in some places

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Doubtful. Rape is about power, not sex.

lostrib

That doctor also says that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles and that children of same sex parents face developmental problems and are most likely to become gay. And at one point when Hansen appeared as a witness in a custody trial dealing with a former lesbian and her partner, her testimony was dismissed as unqualified.

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

It is about power and control. Sex is easy. Anyone can get sex if they really want it. Case in point: since you brought it up: roofies. What do roofies do? Render the victim powerless right? Completely at the control of the person who drugged them.

worlock77

And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] If it was about power, they would not be sedating them but instead taking them by force. Same with Alcohol. Guys use that to get a girl so wasted that she has no idea what she was even doing or even remember. If sex was so easy, there would be no such thing as prostitutes. Sure. There are instances of rape for power but in most instances, they just want to get laid and a below average looking male can go years without sex unless its with somebody as disgusting looking as him. Most the time, rape for power is nothing more than feminist propaganda.The_Lipscomb

And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.

Absolutely.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Not always. Guys don't give girls roofies at frat parties for power. The whole power thing was created by feminists since they think male-female interaction is soley about power and control. Because of this, rape must also be about power and control. Rape as power provides a political tool for feminists. Dr Trayce Hansen says it best. "Finally, and most importantly, feminists strategically concluded that if rape was perceived as motivated only by sex, then it would be of limited political value, but if instead rape was seen as motivated by male desire to dominate and control women, then it could be used as a powerful political tool for radical cultural change. Specifically, feminists decided that if they could convince society that male domination was the rapists true motivation, then the end of rape would necessarily require an end to the traditional patriarchal culture said to support that domination. Rape would become the symbolic sword that radical feminists hoped would help them slay what they perceived as the evil dragon of traditional culturetheir ultimate sociopolitical objective."Murderstyle75

That doctor also says that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles and that children of same sex parents face developmental problems and are most likely to become gay. And at one point when Hansen appeared as a witness in a custody trial dealing with a former lesbian and her partner, her testimony was dismissed as unqualified.

Actually it's more likely that someone will be raped by someone they know rather than a stranger.  Are you just pulling these things out of your ass because want them to be true or you think they're some feminist conspiracy?

We can't allow prostitution guys because that puts women in a position of power, and we can't have that. Fightingfan

how does it put women in a position of power?

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]We can't allow prostitution guys because that puts women in a position of power, and we can't have that. lostrib

how does it put women in a position of power?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]We can't allow prostitution guys because that puts women in a position of power, and we can't have that. Fightingfan

how does it put women in a position of power?

Not if guys own the brothel

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

how does it put women in a position of power?

lostrib

Not if guys own the brothel

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Money.Fightingfan

Not if guys own the brothel

Whichever class makes the sandwiches

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

That doctor also says that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles and that children of same sex parents face developmental problems and are most likely to become gay. And at one point when Hansen appeared as a witness in a custody trial dealing with a former lesbian and her partner, her testimony was dismissed as unqualified.

lostrib

Actually it's more likely that someone will be raped by someone they know rather than a stranger.  Are you just pulling these things out of your ass because want them to be true or you think they're some feminist conspiracy?

It's common sense. If a man wi willing to spend thousands of dollars on sex, why wouldn't a sexual devient take it for free? Funny how rape is only about power when do many date rapes occour where the girl has no idea what is happening and there is no physical force besides sexual penetration.Murderstyle75

Again, how do you figure it's not about power when the victim has been rendered completely powerless?

I'd rather them be miserable for the rest of their lives in jail.

The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.

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The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.

NWikipedia: N is the fourteenth letter in the ISO basic Latin alphabet.

Barbariser

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] It's common sense. If a man wi willing to spend thousands of dollars on sex, why wouldn't a sexual devient take it for free? Funny how rape is only about power when do many date rapes occour where the girl has no idea what is happening and there is no physical force besides sexual penetration.worlock77

Again, how do you figure it's not about power when the victim has been rendered completely powerless?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] If it was about power, they would not be sedating them but instead taking them by force. Same with Alcohol. Guys use that to get a girl so wasted that she has no idea what she was even doing or even remember. If sex was so easy, there would be no such thing as prostitutes. Sure. There are instances of rape for power but in most instances, they just want to get laid and a below average looking male can go years without sex unless its with somebody as disgusting looking as him. Most the time, rape for power is nothing more than feminist propaganda.Murderstyle75

And how is sedating someone, thus removing any ability they have to resist, to rape them not taking them by force? Actually prostitutes were one of the things I had in mind when I said that anyone can get sex if they really want to. Simply put, if you want to get laid badly enough you can without raping someone.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] It's common sense. If a man wi willing to spend thousands of dollars on sex, why wouldn't a sexual devient take it for free? Funny how rape is only about power when do many date rapes occour where the girl has no idea what is happening and there is no physical force besides sexual penetration.Murderstyle75

Again, how do you figure it's not about power when the victim has been rendered completely powerless?

There's more than just getting off involved there. Again, that's easy. There's lots of avenues one can persue if one just wants to get off. Rape is about forcing your will on someone else.

I'd rather them be miserable for the rest of their lives in jail.

MrsSolidSnake

So, torturing them is a "better" option?

The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society

Barbariser

No. There could be wrong convictions, it' s more costly and furthermore I don' t believe anyone should have the right to decide whether someone gets to live or not.

No. There could be wrong convictions, it' s more costly and furthermore I don' t believe anyone should have the right to decide whether someone gets to live or not.

johnd13

Locking someone behind bars for the rest of his life is "living" to you?

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.

lo_Pine

Let's see, no proven statistical effect on crime rates (or, if there is an effect, it isn't noticeably larger than the effect of life imprisonment), requires a high level of expense (in many cases, greater than the expense of life imprisonment) to minimize the possibility of execution of innocents and still has considerable risk of execution of innocents. Considering that "killing very bad guys because they are very bad" doesn't actually help anyone in anyway, it can easily be concluded that the death penalty doesn't offer any advantages whatsoever over life imprisonment.

[QUOTE="johnd13"]

No. There could be wrong convictions, it' s more costly and furthermore I don' t believe anyone should have the right to decide whether someone gets to live or not.

N30F3N1X

Locking someone behind bars for the rest of his life is "living" to you?

Technically it is. And it' s not like they don' t deserve it(take for example all those mass murderers). After all killing them will never give them the chance to actually consider their actions(if possible) and seek repentance.

Technically it is. And it' s not like they don' t deserve it(take for example all those mass murderers). After all killing them will never give them the chance to actually consider their actions(if possible) and seek repentance.

johnd13

"Technically"? Don't make me laugh.

You support killing a person by both preventing him to live and preventing him from dying rather than just killing him and be done with it...sounds cruel to me. Also what good is allowing them to seek repentance if they are not given the chance to do something right?

[QUOTE="johnd13"]

Technically it is. And it' s not like they don' t deserve it(take for example all those mass murderers). After all killing them will never give them the chance to actually consider their actions(if possible) and seek repentance.

N30F3N1X

"Technically"? Don't make me laugh.

You support killing a person by both preventing him to live and preventing him from dying rather than just killing him and be done with it...sounds cruel to me. Also what good is allowing them to seek repentance if they are not given the chance to do something right?

If they would prefer to die rather than live the rest of their lives in a cell then it' s their choice and only theirs. I wouldn' t have a problem with that. I' m arguing that other people(authorities) should not have that power.

And the fact that they' re not given a chance to do sth right stems from the penitentiary system itself. Which let' s face it sucks.

If they would prefer to die rather than live the rest of their lives in a cell then it' s their choice and only theirs. I wouldn' t have a problem with that. I' m arguing that other people(authorities) should not have that power.

And the fact that they' re not given a chance to do sth right stems from the penitentiary system itself. Which let' s face it sucks.

johnd13

I had not considered giving the choice to the individual after sentencing him to jail for life. In that scenario I could definitely share your position.

The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.

Barbariser

Of course it does, tax payers no longer have to spend money housing the scum of the earth.

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.

GD1551

Of course it does, tax payers no longer have to spend money housing the scum of the earth.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

The death penalty offers roughly zero benefits to modern human society, so naturally I wouldn't support it.

PannicAtack

Of course it does, tax payers no longer have to spend money housing the scum of the earth.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Of course it does, tax payers no longer have to spend money housing the scum of the earth.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Of course it does, tax payers no longer have to spend money housing the scum of the earth.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Except that a death row inmate costs more taxpayer money than someone who's in prison for life.PannicAtack

Limit it to one or two appeals, simple enough.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The Appeals process does....if we eliminate that the cost goes down....GD1551

Limit it to one or two appeals, simple enough.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Doesn't matter. If rape was about power, attraction would be unassiciated. And most of the time before a date rape occours, the attacker has tried everything just to get on the girls pants with rape being the final option. And rape rarely ever happens to unattractive females.Murderstyle75

Actually it's more likely that someone will be raped by someone they know rather than a stranger.  Are you just pulling these things out of your ass because want them to be true or you think they're some feminist conspiracy?

You are serioulsy just pulling stuff out of your ass

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Which would probably result in more wrongful executions.Rich3232

Limit it to one or two appeals, simple enough.

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Actually it's more likely that someone will be raped by someone they know rather than a stranger.  Are you just pulling these things out of your ass because want them to be true or you think they're some feminist conspiracy?

lostrib

You are serioulsy just pulling stuff out of your ass

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The Appeals process does....if we eliminate that the cost goes down....LJS9502_basic

A lot of the cost comes from needing to house inmates on deathrow

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Limit it to one or two appeals, simple enough.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Which would probably result in more wrongful executions.lostrib

A lot of the cost comes from needing to house inmates on deathrow

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Just out of curiosity what percentage of appeals have changed guilt. Generally the appeals process deals with the court proceeding itself.LJS9502_basic

A lot of the cost comes from needing to house inmates on deathrow

In california alone, it costs aroun 60 million dollars extra, and since CA has only executed like 27 people, most of the deathrow inmates will end up dying in prison anyways