Texas public schools required to teach Bible this year

[QUOTE="AFraud"]

At first glance I would say this is idiotic, and violates separation of church and state.

But the Bible actually covers a fair amount of ancient history. If it's taught as part of a history lesson on say ancient Egypt or ancient Jurusalem, and not given a literal interpretation, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Locke562

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]

Really people... are you all so dense? You're all up in arms over this? It's not a big deal at all.

Fact 1: the bible has influenced majority of western education/literature since it's existed.

Fact 2: this is not a course on religion.. it's a course on the bible as literature.

Conclusion.. there is nothing wrong with studying the bible in public education. It's good to know where ideas originated from in a specific culture.

MasterBolt360

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Leviticus is in the Old Testament tho. The consequences for those laws are no longer valid because of Jesus' death.mindstorm

Really? That's news to me.

Nooooo it's more interesting Dante's way, with all the levels of hell. :D

Well, actually, Dante doesn't really contradict that. But Dante is still awesome. :D

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Seeing as how this is Texas, I'm sort of questioning the motive behind this move, but if it is being taught purely for literary purposes I have absolutely no problem with this. chessmaster1989

The problem is, The Bible is what? 1000 pages? They'd have to spend a long time on it to get anywhere (hell, my GTL class last year spent a month on The Iliad and easily could have spent the rest of the quarter on it, and it's much shorter). And, with how much great literature there is out there, I'd be disappointed to see a school cut multiple classics to include The Bible. Honestly, teachers should just do what my third quarter GTL teacher did when we read Paradise Lost, and recommend parts of The Bible to read beforehand to assist with comprehension of the piece of literature.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Really? That's news to me.

Nooooo it's more interesting Dante's way, with all the levels of hell. :D

Well, actually, Dante doesn't really contradict that. But Dante is still awesome. :D

Indeed, so why cannot teachers simply recommend relevant portions of The Bible (or summaries of relevant portions) before reading books that would benefit from having some knowledge of The Bible? If a student chooses not to read them, that's their choice.

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="AFraud"]

At first glance I would say this is idiotic, and violates separation of church and state.

But the Bible actually covers a fair amount of ancient history. If it's taught as part of a history lesson on say ancient Egypt or ancient Jurusalem, and not given a literal interpretation, I don't see anything wrong with it.

battlefront23

That's why I said a literal interpretation of it would be a bad idea. Obviously the earth wasn't created in seven days and is more than 5000 years old.

I'm actually a bit baffled that so many christians interpret the Bible so literally and can't see that the Bible is full of metaphors.

But like a lot of mythology, the Bible is deeply intertwined with history.

That's why I said a literal interpretation of it would be a bad idea. Obviously the earth wasn't created in seven days and is more than 5000 years old.

But like a lot of mythology, the Bible is deeply intertwined with history.

AFraud

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Locke562"] ...much has been disproved. AFraud

That's why I said a literal interpretation of it would be a bad idea. Obviously the earth wasn't created in seven days and is more than 5000 years old.

But like a lot of mythology, the Bible is deeply intertwined with history.

[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="AFraud"]

At first glance I would say this is idiotic, and violates separation of church and state.

But the Bible actually covers a fair amount of ancient history. If it's taught as part of a history lesson on say ancient Egypt or ancient Jurusalem, and not given a literal interpretation, I don't see anything wrong with it.

battlefront23

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] The only sin a person will go to hell for is denying Christ. If you seek after Christ in your life, every sin is forgiven.twilightpanda

Nooooo it's more interesting Dante's way, with all the levels of hell. :D

Well, actually, Dante doesn't really contradict that. But Dante is still awesome. :D

Indeed. :lol:

You're 10k post is coming up, I see. :P

"a Texas law says all public schools must offer information relating to the Bible in their curriculum." no it isnt elective it is a must weezyfb

That wording suggests elective to me.

The only sin a person will go to hell for is denying Christ. If you seek after Christ in your life, every sin is forgiven.mindstorm

That's also news to me. And I believe in God, if that counts for anything.

[QUOTE="twilightpanda"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Nooooo it's more interesting Dante's way, with all the levels of hell. :D

Well, actually, Dante doesn't really contradict that. But Dante is still awesome. :D

chessmaster1989

Indeed. :lol:

You're 10k post is coming up, I see. :P

[QUOTE="AFraud"]

[QUOTE="battlefront23"] Links. Please. battlefront23

That's why I said a literal interpretation of it would be a bad idea. Obviously the earth wasn't created in seven days and is more than 5000 years old.

But like a lot of mythology, the Bible is deeply intertwined with history.

[QUOTE="twilightpanda"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Nooooo it's more interesting Dante's way, with all the levels of hell. :D

Well, actually, Dante doesn't really contradict that. But Dante is still awesome. :D

Indeed. :lol:

You're 10k post is coming up, I see. :P

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]"a Texas law says all public schools must offer information relating to the Bible in their curriculum." no it isnt elective it is a must pianist

That wording suggests elective to me.

Actually, if it says "must offer," that does sound like requiring an elective course on The Bible as opposed to requiring The Bible to be read/studied in required clases. Although I think it a little silly to require all high schools to offer and elective course on The Bible, I don't have nearly as much of a problem with that.

[QUOTE="twilightpanda"] who does'nt want to party with the devil?! :o :PMrPraline

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only sin a person will go to hell for is denying Christ. If you seek after Christ in your life, every sin is forgiven.Dark_Knight6

That's also news to me. And I believe in God, if that counts for anything.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="twilightpanda"] who does'nt want to party with the devil?! :o :Ptwilightpanda

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Indeed. :lol:

You're 10k post is coming up, I see. :P

MrPraline

:o Panda You HAVE to throw a party! I already have gifts lined up!

Was that supposed to be productive to this topic? Do you just enjoy inciting frustration? I'm guessing the latter. And didn't God provide an alternative to sin? To everyone's sin? BTW, I'm only arguing with one of you at a time.battlefront23

It was as productive to the topic as the post you made to which I responded. I've always found the "Old Testament doesn't matter because of Jesus" mantra of Christians to be narrow-sighted on account of the fact that God STILL sentences people to eternal torture, even if we can't treat them in a barbaric manner ourselves. Just pointing out an obvious flaw in your argument - and that of everyone who claims that things are different because of the New Testament, because when you get right down to it, they aren't. It's still a "do as I say or burn in hell" religion if you ascribe to the fundamentalist interpretation of Christianity, as most professing Christians do.

This topic is moving quickly. I don't have time - so you can find someone else to argue with. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels the OT vs. NT argument is invalid.

[QUOTE="twilightpanda"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] If he still uses Ray Wise as a vessel, I would. That guy is awesome.MrPraline

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only sin a person will go to hell for is denying Christ. If you seek after Christ in your life, every sin is forgiven.Dark_Knight6

That's also news to me. And I believe in God, if that counts for anything.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only sin a person will go to hell for is denying Christ. If you seek after Christ in your life, every sin is forgiven.mindstorm

That's also news to me. And I believe in God, if that counts for anything.

Not so well, Dante's running through owning them with his massive sword and twin guns nonetheless. :lol:

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]"a Texas law says all public schools must offer information relating to the Bible in their curriculum." no it isnt elective it is a must pianist

That wording suggests elective to me.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Indeed. :lol:

You're 10k post is coming up, I see. :P

:o Panda You HAVE to throw a party! I already have gifts lined up!

Not to be crude, confrontational, or whatever but so do the demons. I'm not sure how well that's working out for them. :omindstorm

Wow, according to what Christians have told me, God never seems to be pleased. Picky fellow, huh? :P

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="twilightpanda"] lol ahaha i hope i see you all down there when i die :lol:twilightpanda

An eternity of nothingness with only twilightpanda and MrPraline to keep me company... now that gives me some... ideas... :oops:

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Was that supposed to be productive to this topic? Do you just enjoy inciting frustration? I'm guessing the latter. And didn't God provide an alternative to sin? To everyone's sin? BTW, I'm only arguing with one of you at a time.pianist

It was as productive to the topic as the post you made to which I responded. I've always found the "Old Testament doesn't matter because of Jesus" mantra of Christians to be narrow-sighted on account of the fact that God STILL sentences people to eternal torture, even if we can't treat them in a barbaric manner ourselves. Just doing my community service, pointing out an obvious flaw in your argument - and that of everyone who claims that things are different because of the New Testament, because when you get right down to it, they aren't. It's still a "do as I say or burn in hell" religion if you ascribe to the fundamentalist interpretation of Christianity, as most professing Christians do.

This topic is moving quickly. I don't have time - so you can find someone else to argue with. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels the OT vs. NT argument is invalid.

[QUOTE="twilightpanda"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] I wouldn't count on seeing anything after death, but who knows. :Pchessmaster1989

An eternity of nothingness with only twilightpanda and MrPraline to keep me company... now that gives me some... ideas... :oops:

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Not to be crude, confrontational, or whatever but so do the demons. I'm not sure how well that's working out for them. :oDark_Knight6

Wow, according to what Christians have told me, God never seems to be pleased. Picky fellow, huh? :P

Not so well, Dante's running through owning them with his massive sword and twin guns nonetheless. :lol:

chessmaster1989

:lol: Best not forget his wanna-be, Nero.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Not so well, Dante's running through owning them with his massive sword and twin guns nonetheless. :lol:

Dark_Knight6

:lol: Best not forget his wanna-be, Nero.

Oh man, DMC4... :lol:

3/4 of the game you have to deal with a goddam whiny n00b, then you finally get to play as Dante. :D

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only sin a person will go to hell for is denying Christ. If you seek after Christ in your life, every sin is forgiven.battlefront23

That's also news to me. And I believe in God, if that counts for anything.

Created everything and continues to interact and love all of his creations.

How are they not different, now? Before Jesus' sacrifice, homosexual acts were punishable by death on the spot. (and various other sins, just using that as an example) Now all that is needed is forgiveness. I'd say that's quite a difference.battlefront23

The act is still punishable by a fate worse than death. In the grand scheme of things, what happens to you on Earth is of very little consequence. Eternity is much longer. Homosexuals are still faced with an incredibly harsh punishment for fulfilling their biological urges. And they are still shunned by Christians here on Earth, even if not murdered. Things are not different in any meaningful way.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="battlefront23"] More like quietly hinted at. Emphasis on hinted at.battlefront23

That's not science; that's opinion.

Actually, if it says "must offer," that does sound like requiring an elective course on The Bible as opposed to requiring The Bible to be read/studied in required clases. Although I think it a little silly to require all high schools to offer and elective course on The Bible, I don't have nearly as much of a problem with that.

chessmaster1989

Yes, that's what I meant.

Wait, What was this thread about again?Locke562

Oh man, DMC4... :lol:

3/4 of the game you have to deal with a goddam whiny n00b, then you finally get to play as Dante. :D

chessmaster1989

Oh but it was well worth it. Especially when Dante obtains Lucifer. There's nothing like Dante dancing around with a rose in his mouth, destroying everything so easily. And after he beats that moth-guy. I have to replay that game. :P